12th house synastry overlays

July 20, 2021 at 03:43 (UT/GMT)
(Leo) Sunnyshadow
12th house synastry overlays
Curious about this. How it manifest.

I know someone very casually that has Sun, Merc., and Venus in Virgo, which falls in my 12th house. Ive read a little about it, but still pretty green on all of it. It does feel kinda karmic. Just something about this person almost feels like i know them without actually knowing them. From the first time I saw them, something seemed strangely familiar and wondered if this has something to do with it.

Ive read several interpretations that say the planet person is affected by the 12th house person also.

Dont have a pointed question here, just fishing for general info on 12th house overlays

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July 22, 2021 at 02:09
(Virgo) rohini moon
I´m just being nosey here...but, you said you only met her once or twice,right? So did you ask for her TOB - or are you just going off of her birthday alone?
July 22, 2021 at 02:53
(Leo) Sunnyshadow » fishscales
Yeah, not sure what she thinks of me. But with sun/moon and venus/mars seems there would be mutual attraction..

Just never got up the nerve to actually try to message her or anything. Maybe i like the idea better than the reality..For now.

Shes a little on the young side anyway. Although she seems very responsible for her age. Probably *the* strongest attraction ive ever had for anyone though. Much more than physical too. Like i said, its like seeing a ghost or something. Something you know without knowing. But respect her and the situation enough to just keep it to myself.

My luck 😏

You know, just reconfirms all this astro stuff. Didnt have to look at the charts to know I was very attracted to this person. But then look at them and all these conjunctions. Just adds to the "proof" of astrology. Kinda cool
July 22, 2021 at 03:03
(Leo) Sunnyshadow » rohini moon
No, i dont know tob. She looks like a libra rising or maybe Sag. Ive just been guessing at that. I dont see her anymore, except on social media.

Seeing her pics is literally like seeing a ghost (in the best way) its just weird feeling so much affinity for someone i barely know
July 22, 2021 at 08:39
(Aries) ram_goat
Venus in your Partners 12th house

The Venus person will be highly complimentative with the house person which will help increase their overall self-confidence. The house person will feel good with the Venus person and they will share a psychic connection that is quite powerful. It is possible that the house person may not trust the Venus person´s motives. This might be valid, this is the house of secrets and hidden enemies in the negative and with Venus is could be ulterior motives. This usually indicates a secret relationship of some sort, or you tend to be private. If the Venus person has good intentions and is a good person, they can help the house person uncover many of their hidden talents or parts of themselves they may not have been previously aware.

Sun in your Partners 12th house

There is something elusive, mystical, magical, or undefinable about your Partner and it´s possible your partner may feel this way about you. You have an intuitive connection, and much of your relationship might take place behind the scenes in secret or not very public. You may confide in each other, things you normally would not with others. The house person might help the Sun person release old karma, uncover hidden talents, or heal through an unconditional love, or acceptance of the Sun person. Negatively, you can feel weary of each other, confused about one another´s intention, or find the relationship or interaction uncomfortable. If the first applies the two of you likely have come together to learn about unconditional love, spiritual matters or psychological matters. It is also possible there may have been a past life or karmic connection that needs healing.

You may have met in a unique way, you will both share very intimate details with one another. There is also likely a spiritual or unconscious connection that exists between the two of you even if you are apart. You may idealize one another, or see things in another that no one else can see. This house holds both the soul-mate and the enemy so it´s always best to proceed with caution in any love relationship.

Be sure, to be honest with each other at all times. It´s also possible that the house person may dream about the Sun person. The Sun person can see things about the house person they may or may not realize about themselves. The Sun person can either help or hinder the house person depending on their intentions. They will have insights into the house person that can uncover many things. It´s also possible that the two came together to heal or help one another in some way.

Be careful to not let the interaction become too heavy, or more like a Psychologist or Dr/Patient relationship.

If other factors apply, this can very well be a soul-mate connection or a deeply spiritual, and even magical connection that neither one of you are likely never forget.

The 12th house - The house of Pisces and the Planet Neptune

Keywords: Hidden, self-undoing, merging, dreams, delusions, blending away, fog, unclear, uncertain, depth, mystery, trickery, prisons, institutions, hospitals, asylums, secrets, spirituality, spirit world, psychic, intuition, consolidate, integrate, the unknown, murky, mythical, nebulous, fantasy, the unconscious mind, subconscious, non-translucent, vaporous, cryptic, ambiguous, the obscure.

In synastry, the 12th house is a tricky place for it can leave one feeling confused, lost, delusional or positively highly spiritual. Planets placed here lack definition and focus; the general energy of the planet is dispersed into an indefinite foggy, nebulous environment and this house often blurs and dissolves the planet energy. One thing for sure is you are unclear in this house which is why the possibility of deception and self deception is very possible. Mercury rules our logical mind, our perception and the way we think and communicate. Logic fares poorly here, you must feel your way through it.

In synastry when a person has their Mercury (conscious mind) in your 12th house (unconscious or subconscious mind) it can be a confusing and unsettling placement for both parties.

This can cause major confusion in the communication between partners. The perplexing conversations this position ignites often leaves one or both parties uncertain of the other´s intentions, thoughts and feelings. There can be many misunderstandings, and often a odd feeling of something is not right which can bring about all sorts of illusions, fears or even feelings of Paranoia between the couple. Whether or not these inklings are accurate or not really depends on the personal natures of the people involved. If one or the other person is a "deceptive person" than deception is likely or at least very possible.

You would need to look at the individual charts of the parties involved as always the natal chart of each person needs to be considered. It is important to seek the truth with this placement and to not fear asking questions.

It is also important that you communicate with each other as best and honestly as possible. Separate the fact from illusion. Don´t sabotage and bring to fruition the very nature of your paranoia by making accusations that are not there as well. The Mercury person can see things that the house person may not even see themselves, these insights can be quite amazing and very helpful to the house person is used positively. Otherwise negatively they can be used to undermine the house person.

They can see your hidden talents and are likely to support you in bringing them out. They can even sense what you´re thinking almost telepathically. Although the signals can be confusing, it helps if they both have some Neptune aspects in their own natal chart to be familiar with the energy, if not- signals can be misread. The 12th house is a psychic house as well.

This person can also come in a form of a spiritual messenger or guru that has a message that is very important to you. They can help you understand yourself better than you ever thought possible.

Positively, if both people have each others best interest at heart this indicates that you can have one of the deepest spiritual experiences with one another. The depth of understanding you have of each other is as if you are on the same spiritual plane.

The complex 12th house is where things go to dissolve, end and or merge with one another.

As the mercury person strives for clarity with the house person, you will find them asking many questions, wanting to know " why?" they think or say the things they do.

In synastry, clear communication is very important for the couple to develop and yet "clear" is not something the 12th house provides.The house person may "think" they understand the mercury person better than they actually do but because of the obscurity of this placement it´s hard to tell, that if what you "think" you understand is really what it is. Mercury has great insights into your psychological closet and you will be amazed at the things they pick up.

Trust is a huge issue with this placement because of the vagueness of this house. That´s what makes this placement so tricky.

The key to handling this placement is that both individuals need to spell things out clearly, listen closely, ask questions and be extremely honest with each other. This has potential to be a very close spiritual bond like no other dream like and all, where both parties have a deep understanding of each other and explore the realms of the spiritual world together living in another world of their own.
July 23, 2021 at 01:17
(Leo) Sunnyshadow » ram_goat
Thanks Ram for sharing this. Some good info in here. I read through it kinda fast today and caught a few good points. Havent had much time to really meditate on the words and meanings much.

Hate to say it again, but work has been bonkers this year. 🍌 We´ve got rain pretty much every day for the past month and have been going full blast at work. Busiest year I´ve ever had. And doing it all without the help I used to have. One friend has been helping me for about a month now. Hard to believe how busy its been really.

Why i said earlier, i hate to even start threads or ask questions. Dont really have the time or energy to follow up on my own freakin threads :61:
July 23, 2021 at 08:22
(Aries) ram_goat » Sunnyshadow
Havent had much time to really meditate on the words and meanings much.

take your time with the 12th house.

always keep your intentions there on the good side of things.

I posted examples of 12th house people where things went horribly wrong.
They were deliberate cherry picked examples. In both cases, the people involved were utterly blindsided by their affairs & activities becoming public, and it basically ruined the lives of all involved, in a very public way involving the law and criminal charges, after things first started out in secrecy, soon enough every cringey detail became public and common knowledge.

Of course it was avoidable, but the 12th is a murky place. Clarity is difficult there, but on the other hand, good intentions cost nothing and act as a fog dispeller for the natural fog of the 12th house. I´de add truth to the list, but to be honest, even truth can be murky in the 12th. It´s almost mandatory for good intentions/higher purpose to be present in your thoughts and actions for anything 12th house to work out well. Of course the list is almost endless of people who didn´t get that part right because they didn´t understand it, going in.

Clinging strongly to conventional notions of "self" and "ego" in the 12th house will only lead you astray and hurt you more. A bit like clinging to a concrete block after your ship sinks. Being adrift is a dire situation, but even floating empty handed is easier than trying to tread water holding on to a block of concrete. The 12th is a foggy place, but even though it can be confusing, there is still a basic upwards and downwards direction to the 12th, just as there is swimming in a lake. Fortunately, we all have an instinctive feel for this that is very primal and leads us to swim in the right direction, unless we (mis)use our minds, expending great effort to override and go against what our natural born instincts tell us. Often ideas of the "self" and egoistic thinking are that concrete block we cling to while trying to float and not sink, in the 12th. Far better to let it go, rather than let it drag you down to your death.

In most 12th house things, there is a line, and usually we know when we cross over to the wrong side of it. You get a bit of a feeling for it at the time, and lot of feeling for it later on, along with remorse and many other things.
So try to keep things on the right side of the line, whatever that means for the situation, one day to the next.

If you are going to get involved with someone on a 12th house level, it´ll have to be about unconditional love and healing, first and foremost. Even when those things are very uncomfortable and drag you out of your comfort zone.

If you consider the circumstances of the "bad" 12th house examples, their relationship are about anything but love and healing. Weird power dynamics, taboo sex, secrecy..
July 23, 2021 at 08:46
(Aries) ram_goat » Sunnyshadow
Havent had much time to really meditate on the words and meanings much.

there are no clocks in the 12th house...
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