Leo/Scorpio Relationship... I would like to hear your insights - Discussions, questions

ram_goat houses 5,7,8 don´t look so great..

moon, venus, mars, all troubled.

uranus & sun not great.

plutos are conjunct.. and pluto is one of those planets where conjunct = bad

ram_goat Not the strongest synastery ever..

Check out house overlays.. better to stay friends with this one..
that is where the strengths between you lie, in the cafe, not in
the bedroom, and not long term.

Zephyrin » ram_goat Do you mean extreme intensity, obsessive attitudes by saying bad? If yes, that is very true and I´m the trouble here.

We met in a party thrown by my language school, I was around 16-17. He texted me 2 years in a friendly way, invited for coffee couple times. I was dealing with a big depression after getting into university so I always rejected his invitations. I had a very toxic boyfriend afterwards. However he suddenly came to my mind during the special times, which I find crazy.

Having broke up with the toxic bf, I was meeting up with him. He helped me a lot coping with my pain. Of course, I didn´t tell about anything about the relationship. I just felt very comfortable around him, talking with him.

And then, he was planning to move to another city because of job issues at the times we become closer and I thought I should show my interest at these times because there was nothing to lose. I didn´t regret doing it but I have felt desperate and abandoned even if we still text to each other since he moved out. I talked to other guys but my one side doesn´t get him out her head.

So you see I´m the late one.

Zephyrin » ram_goat Yeah, it is not that strong. I saw him as a friend but my subconscious didn´t.

I thought Venus/Mars trine and Venus/Moon conjunction are nice but the house overlays clearly show both or one of us will become crazy or hurt...

Bubba Hotep can you run a synastry on that chart and post the numbers?
for example this is me and my sister.

Aspects & Compatibility:(display exact aspects)
3x Loving Loving - tender and loving aspect.
1x Key aspect Key - crucial aspect in your life.
1x Amor Passion - at the beginning, aspect ignites explosive passion.

1x Tears Emotional pain - aspect brings emotional suffering and struggle.
9x Easy Easy - aspect brings harmony and compatibility.
7x Struggle Conflict - aspect brings conflict and incompatibility.
5x Easy Struggle - combination of harmony aspect and conflict aspect.
8x Exact - these aspects are exact and will be more influential.

Zephyrin » Bubba Hotep If it makes sense, here...

Aspects & Compatibility:
(display exact aspects)
3x Loving Loving - tender and loving aspect.
4x Key aspect Key - crucial aspect in your life.
5x Amor Passion - at the beginning, aspect ignites explosive passion.

6x Tears Emotional pain - aspect brings emotional suffering and struggle.
16x Easy Easy - aspect brings harmony and compatibility.
10x Struggle Conflict - aspect brings conflict and incompatibility.
8x Easy Struggle - combination of harmony aspect and conflict aspect.
7x Exact - these aspects are exact and will be more influential.

ram_goat » Zephyrin well there is a lot of sympathy between you.. ASC & DSC are almost conjunct, but not quite.. maybe a lot of similarty in how you think,

His pluto is in your 12th so he´s got a good view of your unconscious mind, but like I said, 5,7,8th house haven´t got a lot going on between you..

Your moon is in his 5th.. an enjoyable placement from his side of things. But his saturn is in your 4th..

"Circumstances surrounding living together might be complicated, you may meet while you are both unemployed, one is going through a divorce, or issues with children, blocking moving in together. Regardless of what issues you will face, being at home together will be hard earned.

Another effect of Saturn here is the Saturn person may help the 4th house person, become more mature or help them become a much more solid personality. It is also possible that the Saturn person may at some point need to move in with the house person. If you live together, you will keep your place minimal with just the basics very austere, or living together may be complicated. In some cases, there may be family problems or many obstacles that you need to overcome prior to living together."

You may just be feeling that vibe..
you can or will help eachother, but maybe it´s not meant to be
the love of your life.. but love has many forms, not only the erotic..
there is also philia and agape..

ram_goat » Zephyrin Yeah, it is not that strong. I saw him as a friend but my subconscious didn´t.

Your moon in his 5th..

but long term partnership and growth, houses 7 & 9 you got nothing with this guy.. and he´s got nothing with you..

Sun in Partners 8th house

Your partner either turns you on or creeps you out. Yes, it´s that black and white, this is the house of extremes. If it´s the first then this is a highly magnetic and even mysterious attraction that typically reflects a strong sexual and even lustful attraction.

If the other, then they may ask far too many personal questions, stare you down, follow you around or make you or feel as if your space is invaded and you need to leave like immediately.

Let´s go back to the first, If both parties are equally fascinated and attracted to one another then this relationship will be intense and likely quite deep. This is the house of Pluto and holds all our fears, insecurities and things we suppress or keep hidden from others. It is also the house of deep intimacy, sex and shared resources so these will be topics often discussed.

However, when some one´s planet falls in this house, they often have penetrating insights into these things we usually keep hidden and sometimes the house person can feel exposed or vulnerable in some way. Or as if the Sun person has some magnetic pull over them. Power struggles and drama, and issues around control are also possibilities if both people don´t handle the intense energy between them in the best possible way.

You will share secrets, explore the darker more taboo subjects, and openly discuss things that you wouldn´t normally feel all that comfortable with anyone else.

There will be strong sexual themes between the two and an openness to discuss things related to the sharing of resources, psychology, sex, conspiracy, or topics of a deeper nature. The Sun person will likely be generous with the house person but watch for strings attached. If both people are evolved and on a higher path this relationship can be very powerful, deeply intimate and transforming in a good way. If both are prone to game playing, jealousy or control issues then the opposite is true and you can easily end up enemies.

You will either love or dislike one another and sometimes both at different times.

There is something primal about your attraction and you both will draw out very strong feelings whether for better or worse.


Sun in Partners 8th house

Your partner either turns you on or creeps you out. Yes, it´s that black and white, this is the house of extremes. If it´s the first then this is a highly magnetic and even mysterious attraction that typically reflects a strong sexual and even lustful attraction.

If the other, then they may ask far too many personal questions, stare you down, follow you around or make you or feel as if your space is invaded and you need to leave like immediately.

Let´s go back to the first, If both parties are equally fascinated and attracted to one another then this relationship will be intense and likely quite deep. This is the house of Pluto and holds all our fears, insecurities and things we suppress or keep hidden from others. It is also the house of deep intimacy, sex and shared resources so these will be topics often discussed.

However, when some one´s planet falls in this house, they often have penetrating insights into these things we usually keep hidden and sometimes the house person can feel exposed or vulnerable in some way. Or as if the Sun person has some magnetic pull over them. Power struggles and drama, and issues around control are also possibilities if both people don´t handle the intense energy between them in the best possible way.

You will share secrets, explore the darker more taboo subjects, and openly discuss things that you wouldn´t normally feel all that comfortable with anyone else.

There will be strong sexual themes between the two and an openness to discuss things related to the sharing of resources, psychology, sex, conspiracy, or topics of a deeper nature. The Sun person will likely be generous with the house person but watch for strings attached. If both people are evolved and on a higher path this relationship can be very powerful, deeply intimate and transforming in a good way. If both are prone to game playing, jealousy or control issues then the opposite is true and you can easily end up enemies.

You will either love or dislike one another and sometimes both at different times.

There is something primal about your attraction and you both will draw out very strong feelings whether for better or worse.

SYNASTRY: MARS IN YOUR PARTNERS 8TH HOUSE

The 8th house is a powerful deep psychological and sexual house, also known as the house of extremes and intensity. It draws out such deep feelings and as a result compulsive behavior.

It´s the psychological dungeon where we store all things we try to forget or the things that cause us fear, it´s an intense house where fears loom large.

It holds all things hidden away or blocked out, things taboo, family secrets, and our psychological inheritance, and is not a light nor superficial house. It is also the house of intimate sharing and the sharing of resources.
See description of Pluto for more.

When you´re Mars or your Partners Mars falls in the 8th house in synastry. This produces a strong desire to enter into the deep realms of the hidden and psychological needs of each other. Sex is a strong focus for the both of you and will likely be quite racy, and passionate. You will find that you both can reach new heights in intimacy.

And similarly with merc in 8th...

But long term, over the next 30 years.. what´s this relationship going to be about? You need to know that for the day when the sex gets routine and boring.. and that day will come.. it always does..

so after the hormones are resting, what is the basis of the relationship? What was the basis in the beginning? What what is the basis in the middle? What is the basis in the end?

you are feeling the gravity of the moon, 4th & 5th house and 8th house.
I would clarify for myself what are the real foundations and basis of this realtionship before I moved forward.. clarify these things in your own head first, privately..

ram_goat » Zephyrin I thought Venus/Mars trine and Venus/Moon conjunction are nice but the house overlays clearly show both or one of us will become crazy or hurt...

oh maybe.. or maybe something less dramatic. He lives in another city, that is a practical problem. Still, you often feel a strong pull like gravity from another person, and it´s good to analyze it so you understand it´s nature and to understand where things are truly headed beyond the immediate moment we find ourselves living in. Even kindness can sometimes make many mixed emotions well up in us, depending on how deeply it affects us. It can be very intimate and touching, but still, it´s only an unusual kindness or courtesy we show another, being compassionate to them for a brief time because we have something that can help them in that moment, then, both people part and go on to catch whatever train it is in life that they are truly destined to ride, to whatever their destination is. It´s nice if he has some good insight and sees you in ways you cannot see yourself, but that help you nonetheless.. but think long and hard about whether it´s love or gratiude or what it is you feel. Emotions come in a flood at such times and it can be confusing, at any age.

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First off i see a few similiar dynamics. Both of you pluto conjunct asc, him with natal scorpio signs, you falling into his 8th, making you very scorpionic with him. intense chemistry,understanding on a deep level. His venus in scorpio/your venus in 8th house leo means he can match your depth but also wants some passion, grand acts of love, lots of indivudual attention in leo.
What shows a possible future is in the nodes, his north node is leo, your venus and sun is leo. Your nn and mercury in cancer, moon in 4th/ cancer makes you very nurturing, and his signs in scorpio 12th house makes him receptive to that nurturing, probably subconsciously eager for it. I think he would need something stable more than most, someone to help him express better, (cancer is a water sign but a cardinal sign so is good at nurturing more than most), so i see a deep relationship that emerges between you, similar starts. A feeling of solidarity. it probably is why even though you saw this just as friends but inside you couldn´t really agree. these are home-y feeling signs, along with high passion and fiery signs, so both of you love to feel at home , but also are dramatic at times, freedom loving (hello archer asc ) but also need deep bonding at times, a mutable/fixed fire and water mix that seems to be there in both your charts and matches each others. Steamy connection, yes.

ram_goat » Asteroid #448 Steamy connection, yes.

All people will meet others with which they have this dynamic in some
way or another.. all through your life- even when you are long married or whatever. At any age of your life. But there are practical considerations. He lives in another city.. Maybe it is true and you are too late on this one. People make such mistakes, particularly in their youth.. Not all things that occur are meant to last long. Sometimes you meet such people and the real purpose is to awaken something in you that was asleep or unrecognized, and you continue on from that person, and spend it on the next one. The real trick is to keep moving, keep growing, developing. To learn from the past.

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The real trick is to keep moving, keep growing, developing. To learn from the past.


I agree and disagree with this mainly in reference to the feedback from our missy Zepherin. She didnt like him at first in that manner but randomly he popped into her head at moments. You will meet people that are similar but its not often you meet people you don´t forget.

who you think of when you need comfort, or who you think off at completely random times.

Developing is a must, moving forward but if you really have to force yourself to stop thinking, stop wanting, oh this isn´t right, no wait i changed my mind it is. People are so weird but if you really stop to think yeah I grew but do I really need to grow away from that. Nah. Why.

He´s far away but that can change, anything physical can change, i just think if you have a bond cultivate it, if you let it go, live with it.

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And i looked at the time and its 11:11..
Something tells me i´m all mushy because my soulmate stopped pushing the door that says pull and started pulling. Oh yes

stigmí » Zephyrin But there are some aspects, that can significate subconscious connection...
His moon in your 8th house is one of them...maybe you can feel that he feel you under your skin, your true nature...and he has also his node in your 8th house...
And in change, also you have sun, mercury, venus, mars and node in his 8th house...this is very plutonic even if there are not much another direct aspects...
Then mercury pluto can very much stimulate your minds...

But if you look deeper, you have "reversed polarity" - I mean that you have sun in his 8th house, he has moon in your 8th house...venus/mars - mars is yours...and your inner woman - your moon is blocked by his saturn in your 4th house...so thats a question if you want to play this role??

Then there is uranus - your uranus aspected both his lights (sun and moon) it is like request for liberation...and another thing I see - chiron near his asc and mercury...I am not sure, but maybe through you, he can see something about his person, which can hurt him but also can heal something about him...or maybe you can direct him somewhere...

sorry for my english x)

ram_goat » Asteroid #448 I don´t disagree..

What was popping into my head about all this was the idea that
he awakens something in her.. and he is of secondary importance
when you consider the matter that way. What needs to be considered primarily is.. what does he awaken? What is the nature of it? Is positive? Negative?

But that is not the same thing as they are meant to be together
forever. That is something else- a lifestyle choice made over long periods of time. They are not even close to that place yet.

I spoke about examining the foundations of the relationship- the dynamic, what´s it all about? If it´s just a fling then that much thought is not needed, and any talk of deep emotions is facetious at best. But if it´s going to be something serious, then what is it about? Where will take her? take him?

Yeah so some "click" is present, at least on her side.. but unless you consider the questions I ask, it´s nothing more than a casual fling. Ultimately, with age & experience and maturity you´ll begin to also ask yourself these things even about "flings" after they become old hat and slightly tiresome.

I think our respective approaches to the question actually compliment eachother..

the house synastry isn´t bad, it´s just not red-hot for long term..
but you can build this over many years if you have maturity and patience and intelligence. The remarkable, easy flow, as I see it is a deep friendship. That doesn´t preclude being lovers as well, but you have to recognize and admit what is present and what is not, which brings us back to examining the foundations of the relationship and what he awakens in her.. what potential. What feelings, less so.. because falling in love with one is like falling in love with another, honest truth be told... it´s what you make of it after that, that differentiates one partner from another. Puppy love is puppy love.. universally.

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But if you look deeper, you have "reversed polarity" - I mean that you have sun in his 8th house, he has moon in your 8th house...venus/mars - mars is yours...and your inner woman - your moon is blocked by his saturn in your 4th house...so thats a question if you want to play this role??

These are some good thoughts and also about the uranus "activating the lights" - i like the way that was phrased! A new way to think about it. I dont think the moon is so much blocked by saturn as it is tempered. It is conjunct not square. It usually signifies a very karmic bond, and i read its hardly that the pair would not marry. yes its not comfortable, he should learn not to block you but you should learn to speak up. Saturn is a task-master but he´s really unaware. Give him the chance to know when he´s killing all the romance/spontaneousness. Trust me, he thinks you´re the tough one and insecurity makes him more hard.

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Maybe im getting this slowly today but if you mean largely that this is more about "her growth" that "him and her" absolutely i agree. But it will always have to shake you up, awaken a few things about your own situation.

If it doesnt then its off no importance, not as a long lasting relationship in any case. I know a lot dismiss the puppy love interchange, it really is like insanity, you´re shy blushing and overwhelmed. Maybe im just different. I like that aspect of love. I like that i want to be a little bashful. But it grows into a mature love per say only if you´re willing to fight, love, hold on and f*** with passion. Mature love is really just love that made the mile.

Mind my french

ram_goat » Asteroid #448 These are some good thoughts and also about the uranus "activating the lights" - i like the way that was phrased!

Yes, again, we return to the theme of "activation" of something
in her..

And the idea comes from two completely different people..

But also like I said, not every stranger that tells us the time
or does us some courtesy or shows us politeness in an impersonal
public setting like a train station is necessarily our soul mate,
or anything more than just a person whose kindness moved us in that
moment, when both people were present in that moment simultaneously.
It is the normal course of things in such situations for each person
then to part with some politeness and each one to go their own way and
carry out their business- elsewhere..

Just a thought.. again there are things present in their chart, but not "red-hot" erotic aspects, more deep friendship. Sometimes it´s best to leave things to the original purpose they were made for. I can see a beautiful sailboat, and think to myself that I want to hire a crane and have it brought on land so I can use it for a house, but maybe it would be for the best to simply let a sailboat be a sailboat, as it was orignially built and intended. Do what it´s best suited for. The purpose it was really built for. You have to ask the same questions about people in your life too- what are their potentials? What are their limitations? What lines should be honored and not crossed? I see the chart of good friends here.

But each of them is free to make it into whatever they are willing to put the effort and work into.. to build whatever they like based on their own judgement of eachother and of the circumstances.

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Aaah you´re a tough one ram-goat. I think here lies a lot of possibilities for a whole lot more than just friendship and its true that some boundaries shouldn´t be crossed. In cases of "its family, its my sisters husband, its the friendship i couldn´t do without if this didnt work, he/shes my boss, he/shes married, or taken, or involved", other than that - what boundaries? Its more the boundaries that two people create not that naturally exist...
I see some good points raised but im sticking to my guns that theres nothing thats preventing this from being way more than just a lesson. Until further information.

ram_goat » Asteroid #448 once again, I don´t disagree with you..

If this was a clear cut, simple example the post would have
gone dead a long time ago.

It´s one of those glass half empty/glass half full posts..

I see your side too. If it was me, I would seriously consider that
maybe, like a kind stranger in a train station, this person passed
into my life for an instant, their kindess or something about them
moved me deeply, and that that was the extent of the experience- all
it was ever meant to be. A moment of awakening.

These types of people are all around us in our lives, and when the time comes, they are activated, and the moment plays out, then the moment passes. To live life well, we must be open, welcoming these people & moments as they appear, accept them when they come, and graciously let them go when their time has passed. All 3 things you must do, to live life well.

That´s the question I would ponder, the chart itself,
has some ambiguity to it.. which is why we´re still
talking about it.

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Zephyrin » ram_goat He is definitely not a guy that attracts my attention or I fall for normally, neither handsome nor attractive physically. In order to make me fall in love with him, he must have put a spell on me. These 8th house overlays are now seem more dangerous.

"well there is a lot of sympathy between you.. ASC & DSC are almost conjunct, but not quite.. maybe a lot of similarty in how you think,",

That is the thing that keeping us together even if we are distant. Our moods, ideas way of thinking are somewhat similar, truly.

"But long term, over the next 30 years.. what´s this relationship going to be about? You need to know that for the day when the sex gets routine and boring.. and that day will come.. it always does.."

Getting bored of sex is not a new thing for most of the couples, which is the result of interacting too much. I´m careful about it, I know that there are times I should stop and move back. I believe too much interaction brings sudden break ups. Honestly, both of us respect the freedom, comfort zone of each other. That can be the key for long-term relationship and may result as not feeling bored of each other physically and mentally.

ram_goat » Zephyrin I´m careful about it, I know that there are times I should stop and move back. I believe too much interaction brings sudden break ups.

You are quite correct..

Honestly, both of us respect the freedom, comfort zone of each other. That can be the key for long-term relationship and may result as not feeling bored of each other physically and mentally.

Yes. So, you are already thinking about this in serious terms,
it seems.

You just need to develop a sense for yourself, whether he´s the "awakener" type that comes and goes, as they are meant to do.. or someone you can build something long term with. To be honest with you, instant lust or fasciation with someone, I have learned, really are warning signs that you are being drawn towards doing something foolish. You really do have to build these things slowly like a house, on the proper soil, using proper materials, over time.

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I did read this again and missed some parts, like there is not much face-time, actual time in person that was spent. Romantic much as I am, but definitely not swept away too often, I am, like you, really just judging this on how I would take it.

I dont disagree as well with you. I really don´t think there is much yet but the possibility here. My take on this is due to 8th house, 8th house kills me, it is probably the only house i feel, other than that i read other synastries which were meant to shock me and dazzle but didnt even tickle. So i always look at the 8th house and see major things.

But yes, all just theories and maybes at this point

Zephyrin » ram_goat "Circumstances surrounding living together might be complicated, you may meet while you are both unemployed, one is going through a divorce, or issues with children, blocking moving in together. Regardless of what issues you will face, being at home together will be hard earned."

That is very, very correct.

When I thought something nice will happen between us, there suddenly was opened the moving out issue, which I´m not ready to hear. Having been already went out of an extremely toxic relationship, I was hopeful about some good news, not the bad ones... So Saturn in 4th affected me this way, separated us suddenly. I have no idea what may happen in future, don´t know whether there is a possibility that we can get together or not.

ram_goat » Zephyrin I have no idea what may happen in future, don´t know whether there is a possibility that we can get together or not.

that´s why I mention this idea of "awakeners" in our lives..

they come, they wake us up in some way, then they move along..

His uranus trines your pluto..

Your uranus has only bad aspects with his chart..
those aspects between you are what give me the "awakener" thought, and
that this is maybe just a transient episode. You are still processing
the emotions, and considering that it may be love is just part of this
process, a thought you may discard later.

Also- all this 8th house heaviness.. it sounds great at first, but after while, doesn´t heaviness itself become a burden? Of course this is someone with mars/venus in gemini speaking here..