Possible Twin Flame? Very new to this!

September 13, 2020 at 18:04 (UT/GMT)
(Virgo) TheHappyHermit
Possible Twin Flame? Very new to this!
Hi!

I am fairly certain I was/am in the midst of a twin flame journey. We broke up a few months ago and since then I´ve found myself trudging along the spiritual path, head first at first but now the heart is taking over. We haven´t been in communication but at some point I had and inkling that he was my twin flame and I am wondering if anyone could share any insight on the synastry between us. In addition to our birth charts it seems theres something to be said in terms of numerology. All of our numbers add up to 11 except we share the same personality number. I know that seeking proof is rather contrary to the journey but I can´t help it. I do trust my intuition and what my heart is telling me but I am just fascinated more than anything.

I´ve always felt like we "completed each other" but now that I see it laid out visually I am equal parts shocked and "well, duh" lol. I didn´t know much about twin flames while we were together but I think it may have been somewhere in the back of my mind. All I knew is that there was something different about our relationship, that we somehow seemed to be balancing each other out. We shared so many similarities but at the same time there was yin/yang aspect at play. Looking back to the beginning, it really seems like destiny was at hand and the stars aligned for us to come together. I could really go on for ages but you get the picture.

Since we´ve been separated theres been a million things jumping out at me pointing to the idea of being a twin flame. Now after following whim after whim I´ve found myself learning about numerology, natal charts, synastry, etc. and it only strengthens my resolve to understand and keep learning and growing. The hard part is that I feel like although I´ve grown so much I can´t help but feel myself longing. On one hand my love seems to keep growing but at the same time its like I´m missing a giant piece, i.e. my other half. I have no idea what he´s thinking or doing or where he´s at in life but I don´t feel that its for me to take action, at least not at this time. All I want to do is offer him my forgiveness and unconditional love but I think I will just have to wait and hope for the stars to align again.
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September 14, 2020 at 11:25
(Virgo) Davis212
Look, not trying to invalidate you in any way, but this "twin-flames" New Age fad, is just a bunch of bullshit.

As long as one needs anyone to feel "complete", the relationship is based on need, Ego, and lack. This whole twin-flames thing is a misconception that is against the most ancient spiritual teachings about non-attachment and the ability/willingness to let go.

There are sooooo many websites today fooling people and even selling "How to attract your twin-flame" tapes, and it is really amazing how so many fall for this bullshit.

I am not trying to imply here, that a relationship with this individual isn´t possible, and perhaps even a great thing for both. But if you seek it from a place of need, lack, and unhealthy attachments, what you would get is pain, loss, and disappointment.

There is just one and only one individual capable of making you feel complete: YOURSELF. And once you feel complete by yourself and become aware that happiness comes from within, then curiously enough, the right kind of people start knocking on your door.

Never seek anything from a place of need, lack, and feeling "incomplete". All you would get at the end - even if you do find an apparent and temporary "happiness" - is disappointment and loss.

Best of luck!
September 14, 2020 at 11:47
(Sagittarius) goldenlion32
Just from a regular point of view of synastry, Mars in Virgo, Venus in Libra, Jupiter in Cancer, and Mars in Capricorn, Venus in Taurus, Jupiter in Pisces would say you really would not connect with one another long-term and misunderstand one another when it comes to what you love, what you’re passionate about, your sex life, and would probably be better off being friends.
Saturn in Capricorn and Saturn in Sagittarius would not necessarily stay together long-term either.
I agree to let go of the “Burden” and the “Trap” of the “Twin Flame Community”. Not saying you can’t have a spiritual connection with a partner, but the way they are commercializing this area for the last decade it has caused a lot of masculine and feminine a lot of emotional and mental pain because they were searching for this “Nice Shiny Fairy tale” and it’s just a lot of teachings from Eastern Philosophies mixed with other teachings on relationships, psychology, and whatever else they can stick in there to keep the information going with content year after year. Which then adds a lot of chaos and confusion.
This is really not healthy and leads to co-dependent relationships, obsession, stalking, restraining orders, and all kinds of stuff they don’t talk about to make it look like nice “Shiny and happy people”.
September 14, 2020 at 11:59
(Pisces) fishscales » Davis212
I agree that the "twin flame" concept is a bunch of new age nonsense. Especially the part of the twin flame narrative that equates the pain involved in "twin flame" relationships with some kind of "spiritual growth." No wonder those twin flame books sell so well. Everyone who´s in a shitty relationship can feel like they´re on the path to enlightenment. As always, a good scam plays on the ignorant. And the hopeful. Add the lovelorn into it, and there you go...perfect setup.

What I don´t agree with are some of the things you said about completeness. Man and woman do need each other to be a complete entity; to unify the polarity, to complete the circuit. To be whole. There is evidence of this in the yin-yang symbol.

Of course, "completing the polarity" should not be done in desperation, or by sacrificing our dignity, or the dignity of others. We must be patient, and free ourselves of the egotistical desire to unite with our other half. Difficult stuff.

At any rate, buying into the twin flame philosophy is certainly not the way to go about it.
September 14, 2020 at 13:26
(Virgo) MarvinReal » goldenlion32
I am just wondering how TheHappyHermit made that synastry without location, because it´s obviously invalid source with both time and location.
September 14, 2020 at 13:36
(Sagittarius) goldenlion32 » MarvinReal
Ha ha...yes...lots of White Out Perhaps. :61:
September 14, 2020 at 13:52
(Virgo) RohiniMoon » Davis212
Look, not trying to invalidate you in any way, but this "twin-flames" New Age fad, is just a bunch of bullshit.

:61:
That´s all that needs to be said on the topic
September 14, 2020 at 13:55
(Pisces) fishscales » MarvinReal
Twin flames are above such petty concerns Marvin :3:
September 14, 2020 at 14:21
(Libra) themagi
Everyone is dismissing with utmost certainty but Im very open to the idea. People confuse what is said about something and the thing itself.

Imagine how ridiculous being a told you are God is compared to this. Or that if you meditate you can a achirve freedom from karma etc.

Im skeptical too about the info do it there on the subject. Buy i dont believe EVERYONE is misguided. There may be souls for which this comcept is very relavant.

Ive know about this for 8 years and always thought it was ridiculous , but i dont anymore.
September 14, 2020 at 15:16
(Pisces) fishscales » themagi
I don´t meditate, but the logic behind it always seemed pretty sound to me.

Meditate>>dissolve the ego/desires>>reduce karma which is created by ego and desire

As far as people being God, I always think of this parable:

A young Brahmin sat at the foot of his teacher. The teacher was explaining how all in the Universe is one.

“We are one with God and God is one with us,” said the teacher.

The young student pondered this for a moment and asked, “So, I am God? You are God? This building is God?”

“Precisely,” assured the teacher.

The young man was quite amazed by this concept and decided to go into the city and meditate amid the hustle and bustle to fully understand the teaching. He seated himself near the road and began meditating on his mantra, “I am one with God”.

Just about then a man riding an elephant approached. Suddenly the man lost control of the elephant and it began racing uncontrollably toward the young man meditating on the side of the road.

“Get out of the road you idiot, you’ll be trampled and killed,” shouted the man on the elephant.

The young man continued his meditation. Now he was saying, “I am one with God. The elephant is one with God. All is one with God.”

The man on the elephant now frantic shouted, “Are you a fool? Get out of the way. You’ll be killed.”

Still, the young man held firm, saying to himself, “I am one with God. The elephant is one with God. All is one with God.”

When the elephant was upon the young man, he lifted him up with his trunk and flung him into the ditch.

The startled young man, a bit bruised and muddy, went back to see his teacher. He recounted the whole story. He asked, “I am God?

“Yes,” said the teacher.

“And the elephant is God?”

“Yes,” said the teacher.

Sure he had his teacher, the young man asked, “Why would God fling God into the ditch?”

The teacher smiled and said, “Ah, you should have listened to the voice of God yelling at you to get out of the way.”
September 14, 2020 at 15:26
(Pisces) fishscales » themagi
"People confuse what is said about something and the thing itself.´

There is truth to that.

I believe in the existence of twin souls, but I think the narrative woven around it by the current twin flame phenomenon is complete bunk.

What you´re saying also applies to many other things though.

People often reject the notions of God and religion because of what is said about those things, rather than investigating for themselves what they actually are, or could be.
September 14, 2020 at 15:40
(Virgo) RohiniMoon » themagi
The bottom line for me is, if there was any truth or sincerity in the idea, it has since been dragged through the mud with new agey hokey nonsense.

That´s how everything usually goes in our world these days. These people take a pure, coherent idea and turn it into a side-show act to obtain more cash, everything is about money. So, if you want the truth on such subjects you really need to get out the shovel, and start digging to find it.

Because the easy information you do find on it, is probably a lie. The truth is out there, people just have to remove the dust from their eyes.
September 14, 2020 at 16:14
(Sagittarius) goldenlion32 » RohiniMoon
These are your top two paid "Guru´s". Whole different picture than in 2008 before they exploited the whole dam thing like you stated. :61:

https://www.youtube.com/watch/…
YouTube
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September 14, 2020 at 16:19
(Sagittarius) goldenlion32 » RohiniMoon
Reminds me of the old Evangelist Preacher that would give themselves a heart attack to proclaim "Praise the Lord.". :61:
September 14, 2020 at 16:21
(Virgo) RohiniMoon » goldenlion32
That´s all it´s about, golden...

They do this with everything. I never believe anything at face value that comes out of any form of media. I will research the subject independently on my own, maybe even obsessively -- depending on what I want to learn, finding books published atleast 60+ years back on whatever subjects also helps. I won´t even buy a book on these sort of subjects if it´s been released or re-published in the last 30 years. They talk a lot of nonsense. Always steering people away from the truth, you want the truth these days, you have to find it on your own, with hard work. Lol
September 14, 2020 at 16:24
(Sagittarius) goldenlion32 » RohiniMoon
I think some of us have been through the old school shades of Christianity sects, we just see the same thing happening here. More like preaching whatever, but trying to "Save" in a new way. "Convert", and really nothing new to me since Baby Boomers already started the Addiction/Alcoholism programs, the different Agencies, Organizations, Non-profits, Recovery Programs. While Generation X were the Experiment in all this stuff from Psychology and Christianity. And then we´re looking at this stuff going, "OH! Recycled Teachings", just in a new form! :61:
September 14, 2020 at 16:25
(Sagittarius) goldenlion32 » RohiniMoon
Oh, I agree. I´ve spent the last 31 years digging! I´m good! I do it daily!
September 14, 2020 at 16:33
(Virgo) RohiniMoon » goldenlion32
We got our shovels!

..just like Kevin bacon in "stir of echoes"


Supposed to dig!
September 14, 2020 at 16:34
(Sagittarius) goldenlion32 » RohiniMoon
Ha ha! Yes, there´s a lot of shit out there with half truths or no truth!
September 14, 2020 at 19:05
(Virgo) sunflowerdj
A lot of people will give you different answers to this since some do not believe in twin flames and think it´s bs. At the same time, others do acknowledge the term twin flames but tell you not to look at synastry charts because it´s man-made, and the souls already have a soul contract before they were even born. So looking at the charts can just make things more confusing. The opinions are going to fluctuate, lol.

I guess you could say I believe in twin flames based on personal experience. However, there are things I agree and disagree with, like them completing you and the pain that comes with it. I´ve never felt pain, and I don´t experience the chase/run effect. I´m very new to astrology, so I can´t be of any help to read your chart.

I do know I was the same; I didn´t get more into astrology or even heard of the term twin flame until after I started communicating with him. And it´s funny because I watched astrology and tarot videos before I met him and never heard of the term twin flame, just soulmates. And I kept seeing synchronicities and his name. However, I’m not obsessed with him, and I know we probably won´t end up together because we live in different countries. So I´m taking this as I needed to meet him to dive deeper into astrology.

With all of this said, just trust your intuition. Looking into astrology, numerology, etc. to see if this person is your TF might just make you more confused. Especially when people are saying it’s bs. But we all know the same has been said about many other ideologies. You believe what you want; this is your journey. Wish you the best!
September 14, 2020 at 20:58
(Pisces) Asteroid #448 » Davis212
Look, not trying to invalidate you in any way, but this \"twin-flames\" New Age fad, is just a bunch of bullshit.

Everyone to their own opinion i guess.. But this is invalidating someone elses experience. It isnt all bullshit. Eg, I´ve my fair share of relationships, excellent ones. I had good luck in most of them. Im not incomplete or unhappy or centred on a relationship for happiness, none of these past relationships actually lacked anything STILL i have always had this recurring thought that there is someone specific for me. Ive lost count of how many times this pops into my head uncalled for.

About 3 years back I could not fight how strong and absolutely insistent the feeling became that I eventually broke a 5 year relationship completely. Lol. It may sound crazy to leave someone for a vague feeling, it was agonizing and it took a long time to break off but I did.

Then suddenly in really the worst patch of my life about 2 years after i was grinning ear to ear god knows why but then it got weirdly intense, like someone had me hooked up to a permanent powerful mood-enhancer, like morphine. It just got more and more intense, started feeling like a spiritual awakening almost, like pure euphoria. It\´s hard to describe but it lasted for weeks and it still is the craziest experience I ever had at the worst time. I almost checked myself into a mental institute because what the hell was i happy about???

Enter this link 👇

https://lonerwolf.com/twin-flame-st…

If you read that link almost all the stories are similar. That is, most people start off feeling a sudden sort of euphoria for no apparent reason.

Apparently its because your soul senses your twin is near and on the same wavelength so you can feel each other. Most people who find out about "twin flames" find out not by hearing people talk about it, its not exactly the most popular or widely mentioned theory. Most people who learn about it, googled to find if anything could explain the profound experience they were going through. Humans after all are social creatures, we don´t want to be the only one who has in isolation experienced something. Like myself, this is how i found the theory. yes, there are some people terribly unhappy, needing a solution and this seems like a wonderful fix. But not so for me. It wore me down in my case.

In a huge way I feel that I passed the "test",took a blind leap on intuition alone and that is why this happened so soon after. It was obviously never going to happen if i submitted to the fear that i have no proof and its a horrible mistake. But I experienced this and the contact with another person, in its basic form its energies that fit together, like she said ying and yang/ but that transform each other, and these contacts and the emergies created are absolutely powerful. Im not saying it is twin flames, or that its forever, but its something out of the ordinary when you experience it.
September 14, 2020 at 21:23
(Sagittarius) goldenlion32
Instead of writing it again...here´s the old thread!
https://forum.astro-seek.com/topic/…
September 14, 2020 at 22:07
(Pisces) Asteroid #448 » goldenlion32
During Uranus in Pisces and Pisces in Chiron ruled by Neptune and Jupiter, you had a lot of feminine and masculine who came out and shared their experience in relationships and called it their Twin Flame, Twin Ray, False Twin Flame, Divine Masculine, Divine Feminine. This has been kind of a pile of spaghetti mixed together with a lot of mixed teachings from Tantra, Buddhism, Gnosticism, Hebrew, Christianity, and many more different religions and spiritual groups around the world.

LOL. this is like a slap in the belief centre, but also its Twin Ray, with Spaghetti. Comedy show with food. So i´ll paste it here in appreciation. :61: :61:
September 14, 2020 at 22:38
(Virgo) Davis212 » Asteroid #448
Thanks for the reply and for sharing your own experiences.

Just to be clear about it, I wasn´t invalidating her experiences; I was invalidating all the unsupported bunch of nonsense from these New Age "Gurus". And we can agree to disagree on that, of course, but to me it is just a bunch of unsupported claims that have not been studied with any kind of scientific and unbiased methodology.

Of course, I am not referring here to mainstream science, which is so full of deniers who are as crazy as the ones who support unproven theories based on their OPINIONS, but presenting them as if they were actual "facts".

And this is what these New Age "Gurus" are doing. They are talking about a subject as if they were "experts" on it, just because they had an "experience", or know someone who did.

And all of this can be - actually IS! - very misleading, and can only disseminate ideas not based on a healthy frame of mind.

There is absolutely nothing in the ancient literature, from so many ancient religions and philosophies, mentioning anything about twin-flames or anything like that; none, zero, zip, nada.

And certainly, each and every one of the most workable healing methods (both, the ones based on mainstream psychology, and the ones based on non mainstream spiritual healing) - which have effectively helped millions of individuals throughout the centuries - have one thing in common: the need for non-attachment and the ability to let go as the main ingredient for healing and for having healthy relationships.

And all of a sudden, according to these New Age "Gurus", ALL of these great philosophers, healers, and REAL spiritual leaders were "wrong"??? I don´t think so! It is not necessarily that they are saying that, but certainly, that´s what it all amounts to.

If one doesn´t feel "complete" unless we are with someone else, this is a debilitating, unhealthy, dangerous, and insidious trap. If one seeks out any relationship from a place of need, lack, and/or attachment, that individual has deep wounds regarding his/her level of self-esteem, self-confidence, and self-love.

And this has been proven time and time again with millions of individuals that discovered, after having engaged in a real spiritual and healing path, that happiness really lies within themselves. That one can only feel "incomplete" to the degree that the Ego is getting in the way.

The testimonials of this are a lot more (thousands or even millions more) that the testimonials of these alleged "twin-flames".

Am I necessarily denying that there might be some truth in the concept that perhaps, there are individuals around with whom we can have a very deep, fulfilling, and incredibly transformative life experience? Of course not! In fact, I´ve had a few of those experiences myself. Experiences that forever changed my life for the better.

And we see this ALL the time in past life regression - which does have thousands of actual records and accumulated empirical data - where so many individuals (romantic partners, family members) found out that they had been together in past lives, and many times, in more than just one past life.

And curiously enough, we see these types of very strong connections in individuals who have many connections to the Nodes (with personal planets, especially the Sun, Moon, Venus, and also with the Angles, particularly the Asc/Desc axis) in the synastry/composite.

I´ve analyzed many of such synastries/composites of those couples who have this very strong and deep mental, emotional, and spiritual connection, and almost invariably, I find out that they have several connections with the Nodes.

So yes, I very much believe - but based on a LOT of accumulated empirical data, and not based on the "word"/"opinion" of any New Age "Guru" - that these strange, weird, kinda "fated" connections DO exist.

But after having read about so many life after death ("Near death experiences") experiences, and the so many testimonials from past life regression sessions, I´ve never ever read anything about anyone having "seen" that their souls were "cut in half´ at some distant point in the past". I´ve never listened to any testimonials from those who had near death experiences, about having been "shown" or told by any advanced soul, entity, spiritual "Guide", etc, that they "had their ´other half´ out there waiting for them".

I´ve never read about any past life regression experience where the patient "saw" his/her "other half".

I´ve never read anything in ANY ancient text from any ancient religion and/or philosophy (including the Vedas), about twin-flames or anything that amounts to it.

This is a New Age movement that is not based on any kind of research or unbiased empirical data. It is basically a fad, and one that is extremely dangerous for the rehabilitation and spiritual growth of a soul.

When one finds true happiness and fulfillment within ourselves, when one finally understands that one can only be "complete" by discovering our true nature, then relationships become so much richer, transformative, fulfilling, with even a healing quality to them.

But as long as one is coming from a place of need, lack, attachment, and this CRAZY idea that there is only ONE partner in our lives, or otherwise we are "doomed to be unhappy and alone"; we still have not understood what real unconditional love is all about.

Unconditional love has nothing to do with pain, loss, need, lack, suffering, etc, etc. And that´s the kind of love we should strive for. Of course, we are only humans, spirits inhabiting this piece of meat on a crazy planet. So to that degree, unconditional love is an ideal to strive for, to get closer to, and not necessarily an actuality.

But the virtue lies in striving for it and not in seeking out debilitating and unhealthy connections where one is coming from a low place.

By all means, yes, relationships (all of them) are a blessing of life. Who hasn´t felt the wonderful warm feeling of a good company? Who hasn´t been totally transformed by a tender and gentle hug that touched the core of our souls?

Because we humans, we spiritual beings, are meant to love each other; to comfort each other, and to find meaning in life by the wonderfulness of social interactions.

But please, let´s stay grounded to reality, and let´s not invalidate all those great principles and spiritual Truths that have been handed out to us by so many great spiritual leaders who dedicated their lives to serve a higher purpose.

Let´s be innovative, yes; let´s be "Aquarius" about knowledge and wisdom. But let´s do it the right way. Not by giving opinions and crazy ideas which are still unsupported by empirical data and that are in contradiction with the greater truths of life.
September 15, 2020 at 00:52
(Pisces) fishscales » Davis212
OK but do you believe in quadruple flames?
September 15, 2020 at 01:59
(Virgo) Davis212 » RohiniMoon
[[["Look, not trying to invalidate you in any way, but this ´twin-flames"/´ New Age fad, is just a bunch of bullshit."]]]


":61:
That´s all that needs to be said on the topic"


I see, haha :4: :15:
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