Do venus and mars influence all our relationships? - Discussions, questions

ram_goat well, 5th house is the house of pleasure and fun and self expression..

and the 7th is the house of partnership..

you got nothing in house 5, but you have sun in gemini in 7th..

your venus is in leo & your 9th house of higher learning.. adventure..

and mars in libra, house 11.. the house of groups and all things social..

so yes.. but with a twist.

If your mars and venus were in other houses than they are, this would
play out differently for you. The pattern would be different.

my venus & mars are conjunct in my 5th house..

I think if you read up on the houses, you are picking up as much on the 9/11 vibe
in your interactions as you are mars/venus vibe.. I think mars & venus are in good places for you, but heavily tinted by those houses they are in..

ram_goat » ram_goat you also have this complicating venus things for you in your chart..

Venus Square Jupiter (5°28’, Separating)
People with this aspect are emotionally demanding. They are often unable to maintain friendships because of their interests, for example because of their religious activities, idealism, or long stays abroad. They often have artistic ambitions but they lack talent. They are difficult to get along with because they are often selfish and demanding. They like luxury items on which they spend considerable amounts of money.
Opposition- Venus Opposition Neptune (2°18’, Applying)
This aspect causes considerable romantic feelings that complicate life and put these people into intricate situations. They often give priority to their own fantasies over reality. Esoteric activities sometimes become more important to them than the reality and take away considerable amounts of energy from the relationship. These people should try to be more rational and have "thick skin". They are usually very lazy. For artists, this aspect brings inspiration, creativity, imagination, and very good taste.
Opposition- Mars Opposition Jupiter (1°48’, Separating)
This aspect causes reckless and extreme reactions. These people are also relatively persistent in their activities and they often do not perceive the impact of their actions on their immediate surroundings. There are two developmental branches of this aspect- one leads to the desire for property, money and power, and the other focuses on idealistic movements and groups. In any case, this aspect also raises the desire for travel and adventure.

Mars Contra-Parallel Jupiter (0°50’)
This aspect causes reckless and extreme reactions. These people are also relatively persistent in their activities and they often do not perceive the impact of their actions on their immediate surroundings. There are two developmental branches of this aspect- one leads to the desire for property, money and power, and the other focuses on idealistic movements and groups. In any case, this aspect also raises the desire for travel and adventure.
Parallel- Mars Parallel Pluto (0°07’)
This conjunction brings stubbornness and decisiveness and these people practically never listen to other people´s advice. They are born leaders and they often get involved in politics. In the past they also often got involved in church. Mars in this position is often responsible for manipulation with others. It gives people an exceptionally strong and magical will. From a psychological point of view, conjunction of Mars and Pluto creates a guilt complex so these people find it hard to accept their complex soul and they are constantly blaming themselves.

scormini » ram_goat Right, but only astroseek marks them in those houses, the rest of pages I follow put them in the 8th and 12th and I think mars fits better in the 12th as I need people to understand me without words lol (also hidden enemies)

Leo Moon This goes along with the other thread What energy do You attract.

In thinking about it I have had good friends from all signs over my lifetime.

I think fire signs have the edge. Leo being most represented.

The overly simple idea of Venus for men, Mars for woman , indicating romantic interests doesn’t hold true for me.

My Venus is in Aquarius as is my Sun ,and another Aquarius would be too much.

Leo , Libra and Aries have been my best matches.

So Venus is in 5th house of Leo and Mars in Libra.

I find it is more complex than a planet or two.

I never base any kind of relationships on astrology.

Though it is interesting to analyze it after the fact.

scormini » ram_goat Thank you!
Yea, I see me in these aspects, especially in the first ones. I´m very delusional and expecting fantasies lol
The second descriptions are from Timepassages right? They are classified in less-important aspects but yes, I feel them too

scormini » Leo Moon I love leos and libras too, they give me the fun and energy I like lol
For me, it has to do with mars&venus, the houses and the aspects
Like I may go well with a leo sun cancer moon that trines my luminaries but if their mars&venus are in, for say, earth sings like virgo&capricorn it ruins it
``The overly simple idea of Venus for men, Mars for woman , indicating romantic interests doesn’t hold true for me.``
As I said for me it´s the two and the aspects, I like men to be educated, charismatic, pretty, and masculine. If they don´t have that is a no from me

ram_goat » scormini hmm.. interesting..

I could see your venus jumping between 8/9.. maybe..

but mars in 12th, no way..

are these those same ES astrologers/websites using strangely large
orbs you have mentioned in the past?

ram_goat » Leo Moon I find it is more complex than a planet or two.

I never base any kind of relationships on astrology.

Though it is interesting to analyze it after the fact.

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true.. but her question and line of thinking are ok, I think.. basically leading to
good places, not stupid ones, like "am I headed for divorce.."

scormini » ram_goat Yes, it could be! Venus is definitely in the 9th house, I love learning, pleasure travelling and giving my mind brain food from books, experiences...
But mars is 1º away from the 12 so it´s in conjuction (here we are not talking about cups but houses), at least in most pages I visit (not sure about this)

ram_goat » scormini Like Leomoon points out.. you have to take a broad view..

but keep your orbs tight, not wide!

Leo Moon » ram_goat True... As regards the divorce question.....if You have to ask You know the answer. ( it’s probably yes)

Some questions don’t require astrology for answers.

scormini » ram_goat hahahah but it´s ok to ask these questions too I think
My mom has venus in gem squaring mars in virgo (1º orb) and her relationships, with another aspects with pluto, mars and uranus in the 8th house, have been terrible, all her partners were psychopats

scormini » ram_goat agreed
Here in astroseek I have a sun square moon, in other webs I don´t

ram_goat » scormini astroseek shows your mars at 24.31 degrees libra..

that is no small rounding error in arithmetic..

1-1.5 degrees can put a planet in different houses, but 5 degrees for a
natal planet, no way..


there must be a mistake somewhere.

ram_goat » scormini if 5 degrees was affecting your venus, other things even less than 5 degrees would
also move around your chart in similar fashion..

moon, jupiter, chiron, fortune.. all less than 5 degrees from the next house..

mercury, lillith, neptune..

do these move around too, on charts from different websites?

scormini » ram_goat Only in astroseek, the rest pages it´s 1º away and are too very precise
The one I most follow shows it like this: Mars 24.32 House: 11>12
I interpret it in the two but more in the 12H which is in 25.39 there

scormini » ram_goat Nope, just sun and mars

ram_goat » scormini I don´t know what epehmeris charts petr uses here.. most sites use ones published
by a swiss group.. the only space for little errors in those charts is between their "general" charts and the specific ones they publish for time periods of 2000 year intervals which are very precise. I suspect petr is using the precise ones because I get the same numbers as astroseek using independent standalone programs that use the precise tables..

scormini » ram_goat Some of them show sun in 7 and mars in 11, but others go ahead and tell me it may be interpretated in the next house, and I have seen a lot of astrologers at least in Spain saying that if your personal planets are 1 or 2 degrees away from the next house you should consider it like that (not the house before). I´m a person who needs a lot of alone time, staying in their head and shy, so despise having gemini, leo and libra I feel 8 and 12 is the correct thing. Like... for example I go out, have a lot of fun, and suddenly I find myself alone with some friend talking about death and spirits and the ambient gets very spooky
Also my dad comes from a family of meigas (witches), he is from Galicia and it´s a common thing there, and he being represented in the 8 and 12 fits it a lot
But finishig it, I see it in both houses, also it makes me very bipolar lol

ram_goat » scormini ok now this is making me crazy.. I just calculated your chart in a different program..

check out the house assignments!!!

scormini » ram_goat lmaoo well...
In some pages I´ve used say I´m a sagitarius rising with an aries moon
I just go where I feel comfortable and seems logic to me
But again, I do consider my sun in 7 and mars in 11, I need to talk and vent a lot and feeling I´m not alone in my thoughts, others for me are very important

ram_goat » scormini I´ll petr for more info on what ephemeris tables he uses and all that..

I´de say you do it but you said sending messages is broken for some reason
for you so we might never heard back if you ask.. now I am curious too..
what is going on here..

so who was the last practicing meiga in the family? how long ago?

scormini » ram_goat Yes, I don´t know why,, So maybe some admin here blocked them for me?? I don´t know
I don´t know, my auntie died when I was 1 year old, as did my sister (both tarotists), also I don´t have a relationship with my dad (you see, the 8H thing lol)
But I know a cousin of him was famous there, she was a tarotist and suicided because she did witchcraft and ended up in a bad mental place...
Also I think there´s more generations before but Idk

ram_goat » scormini For my program I am using the high precision tables..

semo_18.se1 seas_18.se1 1800 AD – 2399 AD

not the general purpose ones that cover 13,000 years...

scormini » ram_goat Ah I see, maybe I´m using the second