In-depth astrology - Discussions, questions

Graham The world changed a lot in the 35+ years after the birth of the father ... but what was the effect of his Chiron (conjunct her Saturn + Pluto) and her Chiron (square his Sun)?

Rapmas » Graham Correct observation but for me difficult to interpret. I see the Saturn of the daughter applies conjunct the Chiron of the father. And her Chiron applies square his Sun. The father´s Sun is dominant in his chart and strong as ruler of the sign and house (8th house) it is in. House 8 is the house of a.o. death, near-death and of stored ( especially negative) memories of the past.

Graham » Rapmas "Correct observation but for me difficult to interpret."
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Yes. I see that ... Hence, I am not sure if you want comments from members, or have opened this thread to "teach" in-depth astrology (rather than to astrologically explore the relationship itself).

~Laura~ » Rapmas Rapmas /Sampar
""Correct observation but for me difficult to interpret. I see the Saturn of the daughter applies conjunct the Chiron of the father. And her Chiron applies square his Sun. The father´s Sun is dominant in his chart and strong as ruler of the sign and house (8th house) it is in. House 8 is the house of a.o. death, near-death and of stored ( especially negative) memories of the past.""
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Im confused....back to Rapmas again Sampar ? Didn´t you mention on your last thread- that you will be Sampar again on this forum ?

Sampar - you have been the person being earlier on this world - than your daughter - 8th house is also your genetic heritage to leave descendants (children) in your life. Your daughter came into your life.

How she was welcomed and seen by you and how she affected your life and got reversed shaped from you - IMO is better to see in your chart - as your daughter´s birth was a life changing transit in your life for you.

Her birth AC/DC axis and her arrival and first foot steps on this earth - her DC taurus 7th house cusp nearly exactly overlays your 4th house cusp and her chiron in her 7th house - a wound showing not feeling as welcomed in first moment after birth - falls in your own 4th house - emotions.

And squares your sun in 8th house - leaving descendants in your life - genetic heritage, family dogmata and ancestor traditions. Sun in leo in 8th house looks like from family tradition a first born male child would subconsiouly have been more preferred (?)

Her chiron trines your moon as ruler of your 7th house - relationship - was she kinda "called" to save your relationship that time ?

Her venus ruling her DC is natally in her own chart zero degree semisextiled by her sun as her life path ruler and semisquared by her mercury as her 8th house ruler - genetic heritage.

Her scorpio ASC is nearly exactly falling on your MC - she took a lot of influenc on your life that time - what reversed shaped your daugher as well.

Her IC cusp is falling in your 2nd house - your personal values with her sun and her mercury in your intercepted pisces (your hidden gift under the surface -you have already beenborn with) and her MC cusp is falling in your 8th house - genetic heritage and family dogmata and traditions - kinda like to disturb an old stubborn energy flow in family traditions and dogmata. Her MC cusp conj your leo sun in 8th house - ruled by sun. Her arrival has left an intense impression in your own life and on yourself.

Her mars in her 5th house (father) is sitting like a door opener on your 3rd house cusp - talking - communicating - with others, perceiving information and processing information. Her 8th house cancer northnode natally trining her saturn - falls in your 6th house and conj. your mars and trines your own chiron in 9th - a fated connection to get you to work on "talking" (?)

Her 12th house saturn (in prenatal house before birth) is sitting like a teacher on your own chiron in religious faith 9th house - also house of spirituality and to find teachers in your own life.

Her moon trines your natal neptune in 8th house cusp 9th house - knowing the way out of 8th house stuff - neptune as your hidden gift with intercepted pisces in your 2nd house. A nonverbal energetic understanding communication and understanding connection - not needing words to talk to each other.

~Laura~ » Rapmas Sampar

""Here a synastry where from the point of view of astrology the successive generation does what the previous generation was blocked in. The daughter performs where the father stands still.""
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I would not call your mercury blocked. Your mercury rules your 5th house - your own father -you have been shaped from and your being a father yourself in your late life. Mercury rules your 6th house - how you worked on something for an improvement in your life. And mercury rules your analytic virgo intercepted in your 8th house - your own personal heridated gifts from your ancestor line - different from your main family dogmata and traditions- ruled by sun in a strictly male dominated 8th house and genetic heritage.

Everything in a chart starts with moon and sun as the both lights. I would see more your moon "as kinda some blocked" and under control (moon under the surface of 8th house is craving for adventures and to break out - to break free- with moon squaring aquarius)- but kinda other´s decided under order of of your sun - not beeing free itself - bounded to your family tradition 8th house- with intense sun/pluto energy - having a karmic family tradition order to fullfil -at first.

Mercury rules your 5th house - having children and your work - to work for your family and your children - disciplinated (Saturn conj.) and persistingly (pluto) to show your children the right lifepath from your part - pluto rules your midheaven - way of evolving yourself, life path direction, vocation and career.

Your mercury/saturn/pluto conj. trines your daughter´s jupiter in 2nd house strong placed in own sign and own ruled house - sag as sign of (religious faith and selftrust and belief in a higher protecting power above her - you have helped your daughter to find self trust and faith in her own skills, supported her in her self-esteem and to make use of her skills she was born with.

Your daughter supported you in getting in contact with your own hidden pisces gift under the surface in your 2nd house - with her pisces sun and pisces mercury falling in your 2nd house and her sun degree exact trines your jupiter in 10th house - reminding you of your own dreams - jupiter rules your 12th house and your 11th house - travelling/ moving overseas or doing astrology on a world wide forum on social media (11th house)..

Her neptune opposes your uranus in 6th house as your main 2nd house ruler -natally squaring your moon - dreams of adventures.

Her mercury falling in your 2nd house rules her 8th house - genetic heritage and what she took from as her ancestor "calling" - and mercury rules her 11th house - moving overseas.

Rapmas » Graham "Yes. I see that ... Hence, I am not sure if you want comments from members..."

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I just like comments from members.

A little history. A certain time ago I discovered the daughter had the same conjunction Saturn/Pluto as the father. I write in the third person because that feels easier for me. In a far past I tried a writers career.

Later on, I discovered the great cluster Mercury/Saturn/Pluto in the chart of the father is split in the chart of the daughter : Mercury outgoing trine Saturn/Pluto.

I was said on this forum that her Mercury rules 8 and 11, and house 11 is far distance, overseas relocation.

So I began to look at relocation charts and astrocartography. And there I found Mercury, ruler of the ascendant on the DC in the relocation chart with Santiago, the place her family goes to. Probably some members here know more about astrocartography than me.

Therefore I give here the relocation chart of the daughter with transits of the day of the planned arrival in Santiago. Santiago, Chile is indeed far from Belgium.

Rapmas » Rapmas Daughter with the Astromap of South America.

Comments, adaptations or corrections would be welcome.

Rapmas » ~Laura~ It´s almost a crime in a forum when a member would use 2 profiles. When I saw there is a possibility to hide the birth data and place, I wanted that too. But at that time, I didn´t know much of this forum, so I made a new profile. To avoid problems, I keep it like that : Rapmas.

It´s true, not only the conjunction Mercury/Saturn/Pluto is a vulnerable point, but Moon in intercepted sign tight square Uranus is a vulnerable point too, and even Mars square Neptune in duet is delicate. An astrologer once said she never had seen a chart with the ruler of the ascendant tight conjunct the ruler of 6, without healthy issues.

But as you say, the vulnerable Moon is supported by the life and actions of the daughter too.

Graham » Rapmas "In the chart of the father one sees a blocked Mercury conjunct Saturn/Pluto and in the chart of the daughter, the successive generation, one sees a free Mercury trine the successive Saturn/Pluto. So the daughter is urged astrologically to go to "the end of the world" for a certain reason."

"Daughter with the Astromap of South America.

Comments, adaptations or corrections would be welcome."
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So ... are you seeking comments upon the (astrological) indicators that enabled (or perhaps impelled) your daughter to move far away from home (and thus, far away from you/her father)?

Rapmas » Graham Yes, it could be something like that.

From the time, they married in 2009 I saw much Neptunian in their charts. They are both Pisces from the same year and they were born only 9 days apart.

Some years ago I saw they both have many celestial bodies or astrological points in the last degrees of some signs, and I knew Saturn, Neptune and Pluto would aspect these in a period to come. So I thought something still unknown would happen, but I never thought it could be a relocation with the whole family to Chile ( ATM for 3 years).

So, what happens now must be something that is " in the stars". The "stars" give a meaning of what happens and they could give what is the purpose, and what will be the outcome of what now, completely unexpected, happens.

For me as a father, it sometimes looks like a loss but mostly I feel, the change is bearable and acceptable.

After all, the consciousness that it is " in the stars" can help somebody. Astrology as "the language of God", the language of the Grand Whole.