Nessus & Lilith in Synastry - Discussions, questions

Anikey » IIyyaarr13 Not to worry, I think he works in your favor

IIyyaarr13 » Anikey It has caused me a bit of worry having the baddest Centaur so very close to my most elevated natal !

Anikey » stigmí By all means, Stigmi, yes, I too think we should treat everything only as one possibility out of many... Sadly, for me, this one was a reality and one that is not easily overcome - that´s why I waited until after 40 to start dealing with astrology, when most wounds have had time to heal. And from what I understand, a lot of our initial negative or harsh aspects in natal lose strength or power over us as we grow older - you just hit 40 so you too will notice a difference...at least I hope you will

fishscales » stigmí Another thing about asteroids... And I´m probably in the minority here... I really don´t pay attention to anything but conjunctions...and only conjunctions with tight orbs like I said...

stigmí » fishscales Asteroids are not so kind to me x)

stigmí » Anikey I have about one degree orbis of these two...square pluto ^^
But I have much more aspects in chart that has similar interpretation. And if I should live only under power of this interpretations, I would rather live not
So I take it just as possibility...mind is powerful, i have to train it for better future

fishscales » stigmí Nessus is overall not a positive asteroid...signifies "abuse"

The mythology of Nessus also suggests to me that the asteroid could particularly signify sexual abuse (Nessus attempted to rape Heracles´ wife).

Anikey » fishscales I like the theory and I will put it to the test

Thank you for your time to help me out

Anikey » stigmí Because of what Fishscales just said in the previous reply, a particularly negative/dangerous position for a woman as it suggests violence tied in with emotional/sexual context

stigmí » Anikey Why should be conjunction of these two points bad?

fishscales » Anikey Would not worry about it too much..

Personally, I only use a 2-2.5 degree orb for asteroids, max..

But if I were to interpret it, I guess I´d say some form of abuse is tied in with sexual relationships/erotic love...in Cancer, maybe emotional abuse...in the 8th house, it kind of doubles down on the sexual aspect, and may also involve other people´s values in some way...

I also tend to think asteroid/planet conjunctions are more powerful than asteroid/asteroid conjunctions... That could be totally wrong though... Just a theory...

Anikey » fishscales Here are the degrees.

fishscales » Anikey Nessus doesn´t come up on Astroseek...how close is the conjunction with Eros?

Anikey » fishscales Thanks to another post this thread was revived just now and wow, was it an eye opener

Any words of wisdom Fishscales for my Nessus and Eros right next to each other, AND in Cancer in 8th it´s a crux...

fishscales » MelodicBlu "Words of wisedom , which you speak"

I don´t know if words of wisdom are allowed to have emoticons in them, but if it helped in some way, I´m good with it.

MelodicBlu » fishscales Words of wisedom , which you speak :)
It´s true, the charts are only a reminder of possibilities and very useful for learning to see things in another perspective and such.
I keep in mind, but my nature wont stop digging deep into the astrological aspects and stardust and milkyways of my lovelanguage conjunct or fakking trining to the pirate of my unconventional dreams, or something weirdly poetic like that.
it fascinates me, especially when i see certain patterns comming back within my own life, its only to understand better what my lessons are, where my hurt is.. and to hopefully, maybe understand the big question that i have sometimes "why"

fishscales » MelodicBlu There are many levels of the 8th house, and all the houses.

The 8th house can be hellish, yes, but it can also be transformative.

The way planets or asteroids manifest in the 8th house, in either a synastry or composite, depends on the level of the relationship itself.

I like astrology, and I think it can provide us with alot of useful insight.

However, when it comes to actually living life, don´t go by your chart, go by your

It may sound corny, but I believe it´s 100% the way to go.

And it´s easy to remember!!

MelodicBlu » fishscales You kindnof dry my worried tears with those words.
It is fate, it is destiny, and it is meant to be this way, according to the transits, certain aspects within synastry, solar return, i predicted him in my lunar return, also via progressions it looks like that, and solar arc also kindoff indicates something, but still chinese to me.
I digged the karma asteroid, which falls in our 8th house in the composite chart, conjunct to lilith and mars (also 8th) and having company of dat nice saturn.. and a nasty square to nessus from karma.
In synastry his kamra only makes a trine aspect to my destiny (kind of feels this way since the first day) and my karma a minor aspect to his jupiter and chiron conjunction, not so heavy loaded in my opnion.

i experienced karma in 8th house composite chart already and it was horrible for 6 years straight. hellish.
This time, its different, i feel it´s safe, but im holding back somehow, which i cant pinpoint why. but certainly i am afraid to commit because, i am so born ready to marry and settle down. i am just tired at this moment in my life, of the rollercoaster i have been on, not waiting for more bullshit..thats all

fishscales » MelodicBlu See, right of the bat, looking at the aspect chart, there´s a Sun/Venus trine, a Sun/Jupiter trine, a moon/Venus trine, a moon/Jupiter trine, and then another Sun/Jupiter trine. That´s a helluva lot of good stuff right there. Alot of people would kill for all of those aspects!

But let´s get away from the astrology for a minute. Judging from what you wrote, it sounds to me that this is a relationship you were meant to be in.

I wouldn´t worry about the Nessus and Black moon Lilith stuff, and keep doing what feels right.

MelodicBlu » fishscales Thank you kindly for taking the time and having a look at the synastry. Yep cupido, i also see that thing more so as "hahah i touched your heart" when it touches certain planets/points..

oh shit its my cupid on his vertex.. but i have good intentions towards him, and i am really after a stable but adventurous, artistic, creative, sexual committment for the rest of life. He randomly popped up in my life, as a gift , from the universe, when all was turning black and grey and full cloudy and shit within my own life, it was very unexpected and sudden how we met and ended up in a relationship. in other words, he is a stranger whom i feel at home with, but yet need to get to know him and ourselves together.

the aspects can be found here:
https://ibb.co/bLM45Mn

fishscales » MelodicBlu OK, so to me, I would give a little more weight to Nessus in this synastry due to the Sun/Pluto and Pluto/BML conjunctions in the synastry, as well as Nessus´ own conjunction to the vertex, a relationship-oriented point.

The Eros/NN conjunction is nice, but it´s good to remember that Eros primarily represents sexual love. Asteroid-wise, I look more to Amor to get a read on purely romantic love.

Also, watch that sneaky Cupid. I rarely use it, but I´ve read it can indicate a love that is deeply rooted in the thrill of the chase or the initial thrill of having a crush, as opposed to real substance. It´s conjunct somebody´s vertex here.

I can´t really tell too much else about the aspects in the synastry without an aspect chart though. There could be great Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and ASC aspects that I´m totally missing.

fishscales » fishscales Duh just realized you left a link to the synastry, I´ll check it out.

fishscales » MelodicBlu Well if the rest of the synastry looks good, that´s good.

Abuse, which Nessus signifies, comes in many forms. Good natured ribbing or teasing, or playing practical jokes (my favorite ) can be considered abuse from a certain point of view. I´m honestly not sure if Nessus would indicate those types of "abuse" however.

I think Nessus could be more problematic if there are alot of hard and strong Pluto aspects in the synastry, or alot of 8th house dynamics. In those cases, Nessus should be read more carefully, and probably assigned more weight.

Karma (3811) is another very useful asteroid that can cast some light on the root of past (life) issues in a relationship. (Not always negative ones, either.) I imagine you already know this, however, since you said you were pretty deeply into asteroids at one point.

MelodicBlu » fishscales I dont mind you being bluntly honest, i prefer that you do so.
It´s a good point you make here actually.. almost drowned into the asteroids stuff. The overall synastry looks good to me, some challenges, but those are everywhere with everyone.. i leave the synastry chart here ...:

https://ibb.co/sHpXv3c

fishscales To be honest and maybe a bit too blunt, I would be wary if someone´s Nessus was conjunct any of my personal planets or angles.

That being said, the entire synastry has to be taken into account. In my experience, asteroids flesh out and add detail, depth, and color to the story the major planets already tell.