I´m afraid of relationships because of 12H Venus - Discussions, questions

fishscales » Sunnyshadow "So, how exactly are we advancing again?"

Huge illusion, that.

We are actually degenerating. Devolving.

This seems painfully obvious to me.

Yet people think we are on the cusp of some great "awakening".

Not sure what logic they´re going by.

moongirl1 » boyakasha the guru Thank you so much!

rohini moon » Sunnyshadow "So much "advancement" of society, but the suicide rate has increased also. Id have to go back and find the actual stats on this."

Ah...this is where propagating the idea to the masses comes into play.

It wasn´t until the 1980s that this notion began to be put into people´s heads ...through all streams of media.

I remember listening to a Priest talk about this many years ago... growing up In the era of the 50s until the late 70s - no one even mentioned the word. He said in his personal life of home, and in school ...the word alone was never mentioned. Not a thing.

So how did it BECOME so prevalent?

Well... all you have to do is start putting that idea into music and movies.. go and look at how much worse it became in the 80s, all they had to do was start singing serenades about people offing themselves, and there you have it...

Of course that´s not all they did.. the media uses other nefarious means to reach their goal.. propaganda coupled with sorcery.

I realize that may sound not likely to the average joe, but it´s the truth.

boyakasha the guru I have sun, mercury, venus, pluto, moon and chiron in 12th house Scorpio wholesign, sidereal. My Venus in Anuradha makes me very "devotional" and "sacrificing" in love which is so true. I met this girl online (Venus in 12th house foreigner) I thought it was a fated meeting from a past life, I was overly romanticising us. When things went south it was very one sided, I was so heartbroken I went on to sharing the synastry 2 years back here and it was a very intense connection (very karmic), told by everyone. Guess what, the girl was a pot addict and low-key narcissist. It was a big loss but what others don´t tell you is time passes and it heals. I learned so much about myself and if I were to go back, I´d laugh and tell my old self to hang on good things are coming. That actually taught me self love and I had a major glow up. You "can" control somethings and just because you´ve one bad placement doesn´t mean you´re forever doomed to find love hahaha I remember I went on a rant here on astroseek on "love" . Just remember, put yourself first, be gentle and don´t give that much power to someone over you, you deserve all the happiness.

It´s like one negative turned into such a big positive!

moongirl1 » OS* Thank you! ❤️

moongirl1 » tomdos Thanks a lot!

moongirl1 » Straight.to.the.midheaven I meant that even though I don´t have a relationship, I don´t feel bad in society. There´s no pressure on me. But I would like to experience mutual feelings for someone myself. Thank you very much for your help!

Sunnyshadow » fishscales I think youre right. I was actually going to mention suicide rates in my earlier post.

So much "advancement" of society, but the suicide rate has increased also. Id have to go back and find the actual stats on this.

Safe to say insanity and suicide are close cousins. So many hopless people surrounded by these false conveniences. Id rather die the old fashioned way. Mauled by a grizzly

So, how exactly are we advancing again?

fishscales » rohini moon Probably started happening in earnest in the 50s.

Mindless conformity is never good, but at least back then, what people were "conforming" to seemed somewhat desirable in a certain light...the "American Dream" and all that.

Nowadays, it seems like it´s a race to see how fast and convincingly we can conform to the kookiest, craziest, most vile shit.

rohini moon » fishscales I once read that Americans are statistically the biggest conformists compared to all other nations..

was said by a French philosopher, and I agree..

fishscales » rohini moon ".. by making everyone reliant on TPTB - it takes away our self-sufficiency...and in turn makes everyone lazy and unable to provide in all actuality for ourselves.. The kind of life and People were talking about had no time to be lazy, or fall into depression.. or worry about inconsequential ´problems´ - they were too busy making sure their whole family had eaten for the day"

Dead on.

And people wonder why the US has the highest insanity rate in the world. Too much ease.

"Idle hands are the devil´s workshop."

Hence the whole "offended" phenomenon, just to name one.

"Merps" to name another.

Too much time on the hands, too much time to think about shit that doesn´t matter.

*Disclaimer: I have no statistical evidence that America is the craziest country in the world. But jeez, how could it not be? Although everyone else is catching up real quick...

fishscales » Sunnyshadow "I would argue that the most convenient lifestyle is one that allows the most freedom from all these "things""

And I would argue that you are arguing correctly.

All these things...the "luxuries", "conveniences", things we have convinced ourselves we "need"...it´s a trap that we willingly fall into.

It is true that it´s the way you use something which is important...take the internet...it´s neutral...or money...also neutral...but it´s the attitudes and attachment to these things...the space they take up in our "being" which can be harmful...

Astro-Seek.com » moongirl1 System message: Post has been written by user Straight.to.the.midheaven, who already deleted profile on this website:
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What do you mean by you want experience love outside of social norms?

Loneliness isn´t perfect word for what I meant. Look at it this way: If you like your solitude how do you use it? 12th house is about being with your inner You, maybe self-examination through astrology, but at the same time I guess you are curious and playful girl. The thing is many people are all about emotional drama which coming from mindset of inability to be alone and this can be very tiring for someone who knows the feeling of inner independence.

My suggestion is to be with someone who will tolerate and protect your connection to whatever you do or feel when you are alone and be willing and able to talk about it, share it.

Regarding your current situation, I know from my own experience once you gain stronger independence we talked about earlier, you will be more able live desired kind of loneliness even while talking to people.

This is my approach to how I understand your problem. Take from it what you want.

rohini moon » Sunnyshadow Exactly. How "convenient" are they really. It´s built on illusion. On the surface, it appears that way..but by making everyone reliant on TPTB - it takes away our self-sufficiency...and in turn makes everyone lazy and unable to provide in all actuality for ourselves.. The kind of life and People were talking about had no time to be lazy, or fall into depression.. or worry about inconsequential ´problems´ - they were too busy making sure their whole family had eaten for the day. Lots of people today scoff at that, And I get it ..no it definitely isn´t easy.. by any stretch of the imagination... but the rewarding part comes in by the fact, that if crap hit the fan, they got it. They had it figured out. And they relied only on themselves to eat, clothe and take care of theirs..

Did you see recently when Texas I believe got hit with a snowstorm (questionable in and of itself..and people also had videos showing that the alleged snow didn´t melt as if it was plastic) the whole city had NO water, or electricity for a week or two? Completely at the mercy of the TPTB to fix the problem for them..

I´ve heard of Into the wild, the general gist... definitely will look more into it

OS* There´s good advice given from others here, I specially liked reading Tomdos post.

First thing you have to do is eliminate that fear. We always learn best by experiences, so that’s how you’ll figure it out and learn to notice the red flags to relationships that aren’t good for you. . .

I have those 3 same planets in my 12th. You have to learn to be content by yourself. Embrace your loneliness, your solitude, it is very important you do so. I was married to someone for 5yrs and together for about 8, he was always out of town because of his job, months on end. Because I was also so young at that time, it was real difficult but that relationship made me realize many things about myself, even if love doesn’t last forever it does make you grow, for the rest of your life.

My last long term relationship, I met him as he was working 2 offices away from me. Everyday we were together, probably the best start to relationship I ever had, he was my best friend. 7-8 months in, he took a new job opportunity. Then, I went through the same as I did with my 1st husband. He was a rep, travelled every month Internationally and this went on for years. Even apart, I never felt alone.

Built trust and faith that you are worthy of love, your relationships might be different than others and that’s okay.

I’ve met abusive partners, those drug addicts (that are just waiting to be saved) you’re better than that! and with experience and knowing yourself, you’ll be able to see those red flags. It needs to start with yourself; don’t be afraid to fall in love.



Lastly, what´s wrong with foreign men ?? In my eyes, hmm very sexy. You might learn a different love language there

Sunnyshadow » rohini moon Thoreau wrote about this in Walden. He moved out to a remote area and either built a cabin or lived in a cabin already there. Cant remember. But he wrote about the evils of society and the division of labor. Where one person performs the same old task over and over (and over) to get money to pay for other peoples services.

It would be nice to be fully self-sufficient and more free to live our lives. Yeah, we may not have all the conveniences of modern life (which how convenient they actually are is disputable)

Is something really convenient if we cant live without it? Or have to work long, hard hours to maintain the lifestyle. Or have to stay put like a trained dog because we might lose our conveniences if we up and moved? That doesnt sound convenient at all...sounds like a trap!

I would argue that the most convenient lifestyle is one that allows the most freedom from all these "things"

Yes, i believe it would be much more rewarding to live that kind of life, and not feel so much like a slave to some schedule.

You ever watched or read "Into the Wild"?

That guy had the same idea. Pretty interesting story

moongirl1 » Straight.to.the.midheaven And how can a partner share loneliness in a non-negative context? Share it with me? Then it won´t be loneliness, will it?

moongirl1 » Straight.to.the.midheaven Yes, you are absolutely right! I work hard to turn my loneliness into independence. But I would like to experience the experience of love and relationships outside of social norms.

moongirl1 » GoldenSen To be honest, I would prefer to be attracted to accessible and adequate partners

tomdos Who said that you need to be in a relationship to experience love? Oh, I know, the society, the movies and songs, the „natural order of things“. I would say that Love (notice the big L) and relationship almost contradict one another. What we experience in relationship is the dim reflection of Love at best. It almost seems that prerequisition to experiencing true, divine love, is learning to be alone. Through loneliness one searches for the wholeness inside instead of outside. Searching outside is projection, a surrogate that creates all kinds of dependence we foolishly call many names (including love) instead of its true name.

I understand though, at your age you have a right to feel this way. Though I can say that you are overthinking things and suffer from anxiety. Thats is also natural and comes hand in hand with some of the placements. That is a hint that your inner self may want to take another step on the journey, maybe through the lesson of being alone. Your young personality and psyche, heavily influenced by the superficial social paradigm, is confused. The social paradigm is stronger than the voice of the soul, which has been systematically oppressed. This is dilemma we all share, yet only some are mature and strong enough the prefer what the soul desires at the cost of what socially formed ego wants (or rather thinks that it wants).

It is only when we let go that we can realize that nothing and nobody else was holding us in the suffering.

In my opinion 12th house placements are often a gift - or rather a reward. It just may hurt before one realizes the inevitability of things and notices the mysterious open door which are invisible to most, yet can be symbolized by some 12th placements.

My advice? Time will resolve your issue for sure. You can maybe speed up the process by trying to be as true as possible to your (inner) self. That may bring a more intense pain at a shorter time. Though my experience is that it is hard to distinguish the true voice of inner self and takes time and mistakes to learn to do so. So – a vicious cirlce – o rather a spiral of growth.

BeatrixKiddo Hi,
I don´t use houses system except of Asc, Dc, Mc, Ic. In my opinion you should look at position of venus and mars. And its aspect. Your venus in aries and your mars in sagittiraus. You are exciting, speedy, fiery (I mean hot or fire), direct, outspoken in relationship. And also you show your love immediately. And your venus and mars has pluto aspect. Mars conjuct pluto and venus trine pluto. You are passionate in love. To me you should carreful about man. You can encounter plutonic man. They can be jeaoulus, possessions, and angry man. Take care of yourself.
Sorry my english if you don´t understand me. It´s not so good. See ya

GoldenSen I have the same placement. My 12th house is ruled by Scorpio is double whammy. A lot of hit and miss relationship, good thing about is you learn from those relationship and grow from it. One thing about it is that you will easily get attracted to those who are beyond your reach or to those who are questionable partner. That is the beauty of astrology, if there is no surprises what is the fun of it?

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You don´t offer any information about your experience or feelings other than your astrological interpretations.. Anyway, as symbols of male energy in your life, Sun in pisces and 12th house Saturn show that partner who may be best for you like some kind of solitude and is able to share it with you. Ruler of 7th house, house of marriage, is in 12th house too.

Also, it´s good to realize that we currently live in a culture that is totally obsessed with sex and love between sexes. It´s ok to be alone and do other things, maybe expressing love in more broader manner. I bet you kinda like certain aspects of your solitary nature and part of your fear is based on social pressure. Being in your place, I would try to transform your loneliness into sense of independence from rush and often quite empty social life and learn how to read peoples characters from place of that mindset.

This is not complex chart reading, just some insights seen at first glance! Please keep it in mind.

rohini moon » fishscales Merpy merpkins, I ain´t offended made for some non boring talk, which lately it´s been here ..

We don our shields of truth...

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rohini moon » Sunnyshadow "So...when do we form a tribe in the woods? Who will be the leader? Will we perform different challenges and scavenger hunts to see who leaves the island? And who stays for the chance to win one million dollars"

Good question... we need to deliberate. The person who has the most innate traits of living the ´hunter-gatherer´ life..

Our ancient ancestors lived like that. I mean minus - the seeking Moksha part - isn´t that interesting to ponder?

Hunter gatherers, treacherous life for people nowadays, but damn rewarding in living autonomously