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Graham » joanarita Visually ... I am struck by the way in which the grand square is reinforcing the opposition-spine of the Kite.

One can almost hear this soul screaming "in this lifetime, I shall learn the lesson of Moon-in-Taurus/12th opposite Pluto in Scorpio/6th ... or at least understand why the 4th house cusp is at the anaretic degree of Cancer."

Rosincvist » joanarita Grand-Cross is good for character building, sometimes would be out of the configuration since it is weaker in orb; Sometimes not!

Graham » joanarita "Is the Moon in Taurus/8th house Earth Mother influencing the values of others also from the book?"
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No. That is my own interpretation.

Graham » joanarita "I have a kite formation pointing to venus (in scorpio) conjunction jupiter // venus is also the ruler of my ascendant, sun and moon (libra, libra, taurus) / grand earth trine includes Chiron 12H, Moon 8H (con lilith) & Neptune & Uranus conjunction 4H"
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In a kite formation ... "the planet at the tail works like a tension ruler that lies opposite the small triangle in the other half of the horoscope, which is why its needs and latent abilities make their presence felt. This planet (your Moon**) usually indicates the task to be accomplished by the opposition. We call this the peak planet, to which everything in the Kite figure is orientated. The other three planets must work towards the development of the peak planet.The bodies at the shoulders of the Kite (Chiron, Uranus, Neptune) have a lot of available substance according to the House and Sign quality; they can make the correct choices without much effort and channel misdirected energies into positive development." ... [Aspect Pattern Astrology, by the Hubers.]

The Hubers go on to assert that "the development task consists of having a good look at the THEME of the planets that lie at the peak/tail and form the opposition. ... The planets at the apex must be correctly defined and understood. ... If these people live with and learn to deal with this topic, they will not see the world so naively, as is the case of less-developed awareness. They can experience their conflict on the two apexes with more awareness than on the two shoulders. HOWEVER, the energy poles of the opposition meet a substance pole at both ends. This orientation enables a better control of life and allows the discovery of the richness of substance contained in this figure. THEN the other special name for this figure (the initiation figure) comes into its own. This means the initiation into one´s own abilities, in the meaningful substance of the trine aspect. So the person becomes more and more able to radiate a transcendent peace and harmony, and to meet and transform karmic duties."

[** Moon in Taurus/8th house ... Earth Mother influencing the values of others.]

Plutoncita » joanarita Pues porque a urano y a neptuno lo tienes en casa 4 kiron haciéndoles aspecto.. es un tema de heridas de tus raíces.. el sol en casa 1 que representa al padre lo tienes en cuadratura con urano.. eso me dio indicios de un padre ausente .. un abrazo ..perdona la tardanza en r esponder

MaryJos » joanarita Oi...not an expert on this just a mere student/reader.
She must be a really intense/controling...maybe even a perfectionist extrem mom.
I think she must be very emotional and emotionaly wounded... maybe because of the early event or some other event in her early life.
Are you the youngest child?

Rosincvist » joanarita ; Kundalini shaking
in Equal-house eighth house; The generational planets may have longer and more excruciating `falls´!

Etherealmind » joanarita No no, I wasn´t criticizing her health issues at all :):) !! I don´t laugh about these topics but I was just wondering if maybe a little part of her words are exageratted / manipulative (she has Scorpio Mercury !!) in order to convince people and doctors to stay at home watching series, reading mangas, etc. I´ve heard that she can be very convincing when she wants smth ... I wasn´t at school with her but that´s what people told me.

There´s a huge probability that she´s Cancer Moon !!

"Then trining neptune, can make a veil, an imaginative and spiritual world that makes solving those wounds and health issues harder since they can be so deceiving..."

Yes !! She´s naturally creative and artistic (Libra Venus) so she likes reading stories, mangas, etc. also watching series, Marvel, etc. and I think it´s good for her mind :):) but on the other side I also feel like she tries to completely disconnect from reality with this .... Peter Pan syndrom ??

Zephyrin » joanarita "If the moon is in cancer that can also make her incredibly sensitive emotionally..."

That´s a good point. I forgot to mention it.

I spent 4 to 20 years with Cancer Moons... In case something bad happened to them, they would withdraw into their own shell, simply lock up themselves to the outer world.

joanarita » joanarita But also re: sexual abuse can also be connected to intense scorpio energy
+ Hard childhood can also be seen in my chart with saturn on the 5H (feeling too old/ having too much seriousness around to play, enjoy, be a child)

Rosincvist » joanarita .Combust is 14 dg. direct and 12 dg. Rx which might be a blessing, the more planets obliterated by proximity to the the more freedom to be a citizen of the Universe! O.O.B. is something I first heard about here at Astro-Seek, it is connected to the Adults-only planet for many of us and would require real slimy slick slanting of the slide-rule to keep excluded from the subject!

TTTJJJ » joanarita Most astrologers I´ve encountered put a limit of 5 degrees for Mercury combustion. So, in that sense, your mercury is combust.
Many people make a big deal of it but they simply forget that Mercury, as well as Venus, are the closest planets to the sun and probably 50% or more of the population do have such combustion. So, personally, I wouldn´t care much about it.

Mercury combustion, as stated by some astrologers, would give tendencies of reluctance and hesitation, and shying away from speaking for one´s own rights and maybe longer time to take decisions.

Generally speaking, combustion means agitating the planet and let it act in frustration.

diavolul » joanarita How about psychology/care to combine ar least two houses themes, I think Jupiter in Scorpio want to be meaningfull in others lifes?

I think arts only helped you to have a purpose, to have an identity (issues?) and to focus.

Bring joy and optimism and laughter in others lifes to the point of inspiring or change!

Rosincvist » joanarita No one so far saying you have in detriment, the most important planet in the kite is more likely , your / midpoint is the easiest to calculate

JayJayAstrology » joanarita I´m responding to your ask for insight, Joanrita. You are basically asking "where" you should focus your energy? I usually see the scattering of energy in Sag or Gemini placements, but you have none. But you do have Jupiter at the focus of your kite. Still, let´s examine why you might feel scattered with all that earth?

You not only have all those earth planets in your grand trines in water houses, but you have South Node in Taurus in the 8th as well. The SN is a huge part of who we are. The whole chart represents where we left off from the past life. I have found that health issues usually include something from the past life - because health issues often are caused by stress - conflicts that aren´t easily resolved.

You also have Capricorn IC - more earth. The thing is - when you have earth planets in water houses, the emotional/feeling world tends to get ignored, or repressed, or put on the back burner. Earth "holds". Earth signs are not particularly interested in dealing with emotions or expressing them. Earth is more about doing stuff, accomplishing, focusing on service, holding together many pieces, like a President of a company leads and holds its workers together toward a common goal - a smoothly running, successful enterprise. It wants to roll up its sleeves and get things done in the world. It is the element closest to the physical plane. The water houses are all about the emotional-feeling world, where earth isn´t out of its element. Mix earth with water and you get mud.

In a way, you could say you are stuck in the mud with that grand trine. The fact that the ruler of your Taurus SN is conjunct the NN in Scorpio suggests to me that this was part of the difficulty in the past life. You have feelings and emotions but you tend to hold them rather than release them. Scorpio holds as well. It´s something it has in common with especially Capricorn and Taurus. These are the three signs that tend to hold instead of release feelings. In addition, Scorpio will also absorb feelings and emotions from others. So, you can feel overwhelmed and burdened. Saturn is in Pisces in the 5th - which can be very good for artistic endeavors, but it can also make you sensitive to other people´s energies, and then, you hold.

Libra rising, Sun and Mercury are of course, great for art. Believe it or not, Libra isn´t exactly great at expressing emotions directly either. Capricorn IC and Moon in Taurus - none of these wants or likes to express emotions to other people. You can do it, of course, but your outlet truly is through art. So, you have an outlet. This is good news. In a way, not expressing directly can give you motivation to put all your emotional world into your endeavors. For you, it´s an avenue to be seen, heart and soul. Mars in Leo in the 10th - you want to be recognized for your art, to be seen - heart and soul.

Chiron in Virgo is saying, pretty much, you need to get out of your head and into your heart. Virgo is analytical, very heady in that way. It also can be self-doubting and critical of self and others. So, you can let go of perfectionism there in the 12th - a letting go house.

Taurus likes things simple, easy, pleasant, harmonious. It doesn´t like the 8th house or Scorpio. It prefers a light-hearted, good-feeling and pleasant conversation to any expression of depth that would include a so-called "negative" feeling. So, at your core - you just want life to feel good. But, it doesn´t feel good. This is the big stress. How to deal with feelings and emotions that don´t feel good is stressful for your earth in water.

North Node in Scorpio is saying, you need to embrace the messy, complicated, disturbing side of human emotions - and - work toward release through embracing them. Scorpio has three stage - the Scorpion, the Phoenix, and the Eagle. The Scorpion holds onto feelings and emotions, is afraid of being hurt, is ready to defend with a sting. The phoenix energy is transformational in nature. This is when we do the inner work necessary to release the emotions. And a new person arises out of that. Then the eagle is free - flying free above all the pain and turmoil.

You need to know what you feel and express it through your art. It´s a good idea to keep a feeling journal - and - then be aware of what you are expressing in any artistic piece - so that the work becomes this transformational process for you. It won´t be just a work of art, but a symbol of your own transformation and becoming.

Let your inner need to resolve something inside you guide you in what project is next. Even if writing isn´t your art, make sure you are identifying the emotions being expressed and released, so that you are making a conscious effort to release. It´s possible that an art piece can stimulate a release for others looking at it. So, you could say, it is healing art. Maybe you want to design a playground. How could you design it in such a way that a child unable to express emotions could find release in their movements on a jungle gym? This idea just popped into my mind. I have no idea what kind of art you do, but you are super creative, so you´ll think of unique ways to express and heal others. Think of yourself first - work on healing yourself - and then you´ll get ideas that will help others.

Your Saturn Return is coming soon. My guess is you will have more clarity then - as it is a soul-infused time asking you to be more authentic. Saturn is in the 5th. You need to be playful, exploring and developing yourself - who you are - through spiritual and creative outlets (Pisces). This is a lifetime for personal development, and accomplishing something noteworthy is certainly a potential. By focusing on yourself, you can actually do more to help others. That might sound counter-intuitive, but on a plane, they always say to put the oxygen mask on yourself first - and then help others. Your chart is saying that. There is a thing called "enlightened selfishness" and you need to embrace this.

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Etherealmind » joanarita From my experience, I know that chiron conjunctions in synastries can be very interesting and positive in most cases !! The person having chiron in the conjunction can be healed or at least helped a lot by the other person´s planet

Aren Levi » joanarita Vedic -

I think that Chiron in 12 might have been caused by you being isolated or punished for your expression through your addictions or by being put to institutes without your say.

That Lilith might be connected to it by having feelings of need to control thy self.

Libra is about balancing the unbalanced
Sun in libra is unbalanced ego

Mercury + Venus + Sun + Rahu in one house might give egomaniac and person that feels he/she is above everybody else. - but you got Jupiter there so wisdom might help with those egomaniac feelings.

since 1st of May this year, your Rahu - Mercury period started ...
So maybe you are focusing on comunicating like your true self or you are trying to understand who you are really.

hope i helped

nutelina » joanarita Yes but look how close.. I found that striking but maybe there is nothing to it. Also that opposition there, lilith and saturn...

Think there´s something there to explore... But I don´t want to spoil the fun.

nutelina » joanarita Oh wauw... tell me more please! Pretty done with being rare!

sullenxx » joanarita I agree with you there, I definitely feel like having an 8th house lilith gives it a ton of scorpio energy. I feel very plutonic/ or scorpio. I was listening to someone on youtube about these two placements for lilith - cancer and 8th house, and it seems to hit the nail on the head for me. ~ Obsession or turned on by the idea of being impregnated (YES, that´s me to a T!) what´s interesting is that, although my husband does not have his lilith in cancer or any other aspect in cancer, he is also turned on by the idea of impregnating me (we have 3 children together) - so I think that´s my lilith affecting him
that´s just another thing i´ve recently come to realize.

May be a bit of TMI however I am scorpio rising with pluto in the 1st, so I tend to talk about things many people wouldn´t