Just a Bunch of Cheap Horaries - Discussions, questions

plumreme » FOWL Ahh. This really resonates, both personally and as a learning astrologer of this technique - thank you.

I think you´re spot on. And this is both relieving and also a little sad for me... like parting with a long time security blanket (or drug addiction) in parting with this propensity for intense/passionate divinity projecting romance. Maybe the Loosing of the Bonds I´m experiencing now is a good time to finally relate to this drive in a more adaptive manner (as well as to hold more, not less, power in my relationships). Feels sober but also pleasant.

As an astrologer who´s trying to learn to read these charts, though, pretending for a moment that this chart isn´t me/mine (if that´s possible, ha)-- I´m curious why you read this as more of a friend vibe and the absence of passion. I know horary charts work differently, but I would read querent´s moon conjunct partner´s significator in the 8th house as something lusty (even in Gemini), passionate and intense. It´s ruled by Mercury in Capricorn (where Mars is exalted). With Querent´s feeling self (moon) very intensely focused on the thinking/self of the partner (Mars), being conjunct, *and* into the masculine/animal/physical side of the partner (Sun) being in trine to it. Also Querent thinking self, Venus (so close to cusp of 5th), being ruled by Jupiter who is ruled by... Mars (partner). I agree Venus is stronger than Sun and Mars here, but being square to Mars in the 8th, I still read passion, and still read Mars as having a good bit of sway over Venus.

Personally, though I know we don´t weigh such things in these charts, I of course can´t help but notice that the MC of this chart is conjunct both Horary Lilith and my Natal Sun (and opposite that Pluto... on the IC of this Horary). I´m glad we don´t consider such things in these readings? b/c that would be frightening/hopeful that passion (or intense difficulty) might still show up here. Maybe some Modern Horary readers would consider it, I don´t know - not sure how I feel about mixing them.

As both an astrologer and the querent, I like the idea that I got what I needed, regardless (I trust your reading) ... and I agree that´s what I needed. This feels really good. Many thanks.

FOWL » plumreme There´s a lot to unpack there, and I´m not pretending to be an expert, I´m just working from a very specific textbook, so I´ll give you a few notes from that perspective. First off, you have to detach yourself from many of the connections you would have to what planets mean in a natal chart as they are actors on a stage here. Each has its own role to play, and in general, we have to detach from what they would symbolize otherwise, although not always... these things are tricky. Pulling your natal chart in is just going to pervert the horary chart, the relevance of this would be to pull out entirely from the horary chart and recognize that it is ALSO the transits to your natal chart at this moment, but crossing interpretations between the two may very well prove dangerous... like crossing streams in Ghostbusters!
Furthermore... the connection of the eigth house to sex and passion is... I refute it entirely. Sex is the Fifth house. Eighth is certainly not passionate (a perversion which came in through interpreting the houses as if they were the signs and vice versa, a corruption of our understanding over all.) If anything, the eighth house has some connection to the results of a relationship being the second from the eighth. So I would give the consequences of sex to the eighth... like the act of birth itself... pregnancy to a certain extent, the connection of birth to death in the great cycle of life... whereas the fifth becomes the fun parts, the making of the children and the actual having of children as a return to youth itself. The eighth are the bigger issues.

plumreme » FOWL I hear you on this. Lots to ponder.

And like crossing streams in Ghostbusters! Definitely to be avoided, agree. ha.

FOWL » Rosincvist Hey Roncy... how did the interview go?

Rosincvist » FOWL `Rauncy´, I it!
I wish you had asked 8 days ago when it was fresher in my mind, maybe just of pulled-up an old thread of mine and punched-in a total non-sequiter!
Because "Psychiatric" was actually in the credential the judgment was more conservative than most of the other psych pros I encounter!
My opinion was smaller and less important than the evaluator´s.
The v/c may be why I didn´t mask up automatically like I do for maskers.
stuff is invading my mind, where is my !

FOWL » Rosincvist So.. in your opinion was my judgment here correct?

FOWL » FOWL DTH tonight if anyone has questions for that big 8 Ball in the sky...

Lonerose99 Hello. Can you tell me what my landlord wants to talk to me about? I missed his call earlier this afternoon. I tried calling him back by he wasn´t there till Monday.

FOWL » Lonerose99 I have a really interesting chart here, but I need to know. Are you renting a complete detached space, or a room in an apartment building?

Lonerose99 » FOWL The lower level of a house,. garden apartment it is called..

FOWL » Lonerose99 So, there are other renters in the space? how many?

Lonerose99 » FOWL One son with me. Two other sons who visit. There is another apartment upstairs on the main level that is empty at the moment. Landlord is showing it to potential renters.

FOWL » Lonerose99 Ok, this clarifies it to me. It is as I thought.

FOWL » Lonerose99 Ok, so you are Mercury here, the home is Mars, and the landlord is Jupiter. That´s all clear enough. Let´s look at the receptions, what is the landlord interested in? By the way, before we go any further... your money is ALSO Mercury... for the purposes of the landlord, you are one and the same.
The landlord is in his second house (eighth radical) so he´s thinking about his money. His receptions are ruled by Mars, in his own triplicity, and in the face of his property again... so his concern is all about the property. What does the property feel about you? My concern here was that maybe he was thinking you were damaging the place somehow.... well Mars is ruled by YOU. in triplicity of YOU, and in the detriment of the owner! IT becomes real clear to me at this point what this chart is all about.. .especially given the intel that the upstairs flat is vacant. He´s calling to ask if you want to buy the property.

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Lonerose99 » FOWL Do you think so??? Does it appear to be? I did mention early on (upstairs has been vacant since May) that we could move upstairs, or like, my son down here and me upstairs.... Could that bee the case? Also we have lived here for 18 years.. sometimes there has been problems but not of our making, generally between an upstairs tenant and us who moved out after 10 years, she was a real bitch to deal with. Calling landlord about every little thing.

FOWL » Lonerose99 Ya.. it´s implied that the property has become a thorn around his neck and you are a good tenant, so he wants you to buy it and take it off his hands. Although your son renting upstairs could make sense as well because he knows you won´t be a problem and gets it off his hands as well. Please come back and let me know!

Lonerose99 » FOWL I certainly will! I´m thinking what did we do now, kind of "conditioned" by the previous tenant´s incessant calls lol - I´m telling you she was very hard to live with above us.

FOWL » Lonerose99 I can´t imagine.... I have no desire to ever living in a shared house again!

BigApple Where the money needed to buy the house I want to buy come from ….other than income….

FOWL » BigApple IF it isn´t coming form your income... it´s not coming at all.

BigApple » FOWL Lol and where is the deductive chart backdrop for that???
There are lots of extra sources of money that can come someones way lots of them

FOWL » BigApple This is the Horary chart. The only aspect your significator is going to make is to Saturn, your spouse, if you have one... unfortunately you are going to be intercepted by the Moon first, which we could take as a co-significator, but given the nature of the question seems far more likely to symbolize the twelfth house of self-undoing. It seems like you may sabotage the relationship that could have brought the money needed to buy the house. Sorry. This is the chart.


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FOWL » BigApple I was in a rush, so I cast the chart, but didn´t have time to really explain it at the moment.

BigApple » FOWL Thank you for your time

There was no person who could have given me that much money that I alienated. The opposite in fact but I am not relying on money i know I will receive ONE day… that money however much it is may be the solution but there are others aa Neptune and Venus in the 8th illustrate
Was just curious what others have to intuit

FOWL » BigApple This chart does not show you coming into the money you need to buy the house no matter how you slice it. I´m sorry.