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Split ascendant/dual behaviours/appearance
January 8, 2021 at 10:06 (UT/GMT)

Split ascendant/dual behaviours/appearance
Does anyone have a ascendant that seems often very contradictory. Can you explain that in terms of your behaviour and how people perceive you as you interact?
For myself yes I would say that I have two quite different signs, libra but Venus in gemini. Similar in many ways though so it seems that the interactive style has the same objectives, but then also I think libra often wants to be quieter and more detached and observe in a more relaxed way and doesn´t desire much attention, although sometimes being upbeat (which is again where it melds with gemini) whereas gemini wants direct involvement and to learn things from people and say whatever wants to be said and has more energy but at the same time is impartial. Or at least this is my interpretation
For myself yes I would say that I have two quite different signs, libra but Venus in gemini. Similar in many ways though so it seems that the interactive style has the same objectives, but then also I think libra often wants to be quieter and more detached and observe in a more relaxed way and doesn´t desire much attention, although sometimes being upbeat (which is again where it melds with gemini) whereas gemini wants direct involvement and to learn things from people and say whatever wants to be said and has more energy but at the same time is impartial. Or at least this is my interpretation

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January 8, 2021 at 22:47

Even if I have a Virgo Sun I don´t recognize myself a lot in this sign, only in some stuffs like being meticulous, organised, analytical, seeing stuffs with many details, a bit discreet too but except these facts, I´m not so Virgo. I was much more Virgo when I was younger, really.
Also, I only have one planet in this sign.
My Ascendant is in Sagittarius and my Sun is in the 9th house so it amplifies the dualism. I also have my ASC conjunct Pluto so it gives some caracteristics to my ascendant too ... In any case, I know my personality has a real dualism and sometimes people get surprised when they know me more.
Regarding the elements, I´m half fire half earth so it also confirms the previous facts.

January 9, 2021 at 00:23



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January 9, 2021 at 14:26

Myself, I have a Scorpio AC and a Libra moon. I can come off as intense or provocative, but I´m actually a fairly balanced and peaceful person. But it depends a lot on my situation what part of my chart tends to express itself louder. If it´s a contest, my Aries Mars will make damn sure to be the loudest, embarrassing my libra moon but making my 10h Virgo Sun and Leo Venus is quietly proud of the success lol.



January 9, 2021 at 17:26

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January 9, 2021 at 17:26


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Well not all of the time but still..
Although often I am extremely relaxed and usually with other people
I also get what you mean about the moon being embarrassed

But also I think because of my Venus in gemini I often want to be more involved and communicate to learn something about people and maybe because of my sun also to be more engaged. I think the libran influence is also there though but not quite sure how it manifests precisely, if this adds to the quietness and introspection or a bubbliness
I definitely think that "most" of the time I come across as cool and collected and balanced, but that probably depends on the situation and context, I can be a bit hyper more often when I´m by myself though I think that as a libra ascendant I try to be relaxed as much as possible, but I also don´t reveal the moodiness as the moon forbids!!!

January 10, 2021 at 03:44

Wanting to be involved, communicate, and learn sounds pretty 9h Gemini Venus to me. Your DC is in Aries, so putting that attention on individuals makes sense. 9h Venus LOVES to learn, at least mine does lol. Gemini is kind of the student of the Zodiac, though Virgo does well at it too. I´m guessing you place a great deal of value (Venus) in communication (Gemini) and education (9h). Furthermore, Venus/Gemini probably gives you a very pleasant voice or style of communication. Mercury/Cancer also probably makes you very caring in your communication, especially as Libra hates ruffling feathers lol.

January 10, 2021 at 10:39


Regardless of the said control I am not sure if I always know how I appear to others entirely as I think I have somewhat contradictory motivations. I want to appear interested and engaged, because often I am, but also not over the top, although also I think I would rather have complete self expression without thinking about surprising people in a possibly negative way. Maybe I would like to be morw dramatic more often without people either taking it seriously or thinking I´m being pretentious. And then of course there are other issues.. Basically often I suppose I am not as open as I would like to be, even if I often seem that I am
What about you, your a Virgo, so you have any of these "virgo" issues?- anxiety, inhibition, being withdrawn
Also I have noticed that Scorpios/particularly the risings are pretty dual in their appearance. Like you guys can seem really broody and detached and then suddenly curious and intense right?

January 10, 2021 at 12:01

As a Virgo, yes. Reading anxiety, inhibition, and being withdrawn, my shoulders dropped as if I had been exposed haha! Yes, that´s normal life for me. Being sensitive, a little stimulation can feel like a lot. I´m prone to overanalyzing things and getting a bit stuck in my mind, sometimes being unsure of how to approach a situation leads to holding back a lot.
I´d say you´re pretty spot on with Scorpio risings. Black and white or polarizing is a good way to put it. Brooding, detached, stand-offish, minding my own business is kind of the base line. I mostly prefer to be left alone, so I tend to give off an aura that makes me a bit intimidating to approach. It´s hard to notice your own AC since it´s what OTHER people see, so it actually took me quite a while to even realize I do this lol. Partly because I´m actually pretty sensitive and don´t openly welcome people into my bubble. On the other hand, warm, friendly, passionate, intensely curious and interested in others, and rather intimate would be the other side of that coin. Highly focused, but maybe on something other than the present company/situation.

January 10, 2021 at 16:09

Ahh yeah but at least you don´t have mercury in Virgo, I have imagined what this would be like.. Having mercury conjunct a planet in Virgo is enough, although I have realised how much my moon must dominate me/or cancer mercury, I actually think that they are very similar signs anyway so it´s difficult to distinguish them.
I think I get the vibe of that ascendant, I also don´t engage readily with people and may be seen "brooding" by myself or sometimes it may just be reflecting/thinking as you say too much. But also as you said before you have Venus in the 9th too so that may be what you are doing as well when you just look like you are brooding! 😂
How´s your libra moon + mercury work for you? In regards to thinking and feeling? Also I have heard that you libra moon guys can have a bit of social anxiety. I also have but I don´t know if it was/is the usual, most common sort. But the moon in Virgo in the 12th house doesn´t like to reveal it´s secrets to itself like that lol.. I often feel detached and that is where I think the anxiety mainly comes from
Also to add aspects to the picture, do you think that your asc sextile your sun and trine your node are apparent? I am not sure if I can begin to adequately say about my aspects to my ascendant as there are too many and I wonder as such if they are counter intuitive..

January 10, 2021 at 18:24

Mercury conjunct something in Virgo might be like putting a magnifying glass on a magnifying glass lol.
Brooding may indeed be what it looks like on the outside. That thousand mile stare at whatever 9h Venus is interested in at the moment.
Now that you mention it, I can confuse cancer and Virgo a bit too with my Mercury/Moon conjunction. I would say that aspect is a lot like having cancer in Mercury actually! I feel like it gives me an above average memory, a sensitivity for words, an ability to communicate with/understand women and emotional people. My face tends to be a lot more expressive than I realize. People can often tell exactly what I´m thinking or feeling according to my expressions lol.
I always read about Libra Moons being all socially graceful, but I think I related to the social anxiety more lol! I can often stress over social situations. The more people, the worse it is. I suppose that makes sense though! I always attributed my social anxiety to my Virgo placements. Or maybe my Sun/Saturn square. It might have something to do with the fact that my Mercury is relatively unaspected. Hmm...
Aspects to my nodes and AC are ones I´ve overlooked until recently. But I guess it gives me a bit of extra talent when it comes to influencing others. I was once told that about the quintiles to my Mercury, but the AC aspects make a lot of sense too. I can generally come up with ideas that people like and are happy to go along with. I can adjust my personality to suit my needs. I feel like I have a knack for helping point people in the direction they need to go. I see you have a similar aspect, except your sun is quintile instead of sextile, which might be a little extra lucky.
What about your mars/moon conjunction? Do you ever feel like an Aries moon? Mars seems pretty contained by the moon and 12h though. Maybe you have a fondness for more spiritual kinds of exercise like yoga? I imagine going to a gym to pump iron in front of a mirror isn´t your thing, even if you do enjoy being physically active.

January 11, 2021 at 04:53

I think that libra is another sign that is quite similar to cancer in many ways, so I´d say just by having your mercury in libra you would be sensitive, observant and intellectual in your thinking. As for my mercury in cancer it´s more about picking things up intuitively, however Virgo likes the details and logic of course.. so I don´t know which I am meant to prefer. Scorpio also though I think is meant to combine intuitive and investigative logic right?
Oh I haven´t really looked into quintiles much, is it really meant to create more significance in a aspect?
An Aries Moon, nope, no no.. although technically I am a Hades moon, and the 12th house is ruled by Pisces.. although my mars is in Virgo too, which I think reasonably changes a fair bit of what would be the expression of this placement.
I think that the Moon and mars in the 12th is more about finding some sort of clarity by isolation/separation lol, at first I was like.. "right, makes sense", then "aww maybe not" and now I can more sober mindedly think how it´s not a bad thing if it´s true. I think that it´s about learning to do everything independently, even things that you thought you may have some actual physical support from or grounding in the physical world. Oddly becoming more physically present past this point may be a good thing as well though.

January 11, 2021 at 16:23

Your Mercury and Moon are in mutually receptive houses, so I think they´re meant to work together. Especially since the in a perfect sextile. There are several different ways to support that logic/emotion connection. You get yours through mutual rulerships, and I get mine through a conjunction. But all the stuff about being pleasing and concerned about how you come off to others feels like more of a Libra/Venus thing. And since you have Venus square your Moon in your other exact aspect in Gemini, and I have my conjunction ruled by Venus, that detail also becomes very difficult to separate. Both in the 9h. It´s interesting how many similarities there are despite being arranged completely different.
Quintiles are considered minor aspects. They have a max orb of 2°. There isn´t a lot out there on quintiles because of that. But any aspect is significant. If a planet has few aspects, then minor aspects will be more significant to it. But just having an aspect, even if it´s minor, gives the planets a connection they wouldn´t otherwise have. A minor influence, but still an influence if you´re into details.
I have Moon/Mars opposite, so the conjunction might be a bit more peculiar of a puzzle to me. I suppose I can see how being alone or independent might give you better emotional clarity. If you´re only exposed to your own emotions, they´re less complicated. When others are around you´re too preoccupied with them perhaps. I seem to work well with physical activity. Balancing my body tends to help balance my emotions.

January 11, 2021 at 18:53



January 11, 2021 at 18:59


I think Asc. is pretty easy, your identity is literally like Gemini or Libra, that´s how you prefer to be or do things, act.
Sun is more the overarching ego, how you think you should be but in the end you don´t know why you like to mingle, socialize. Oh it´s because you are a Libra (asc.) The Sun would make you Kind socializer


January 12, 2021 at 11:42

I don´t know, I have realised that I may unconsciously be filtering through my thoughts and actions even before I am doing them and aware on some level of "minor" unintentional contradictions..., well it´s because of what I said before about wanting to express myself freely but also stopping myself from what I think whoever I am interacting with will "particularly" dislike. At the same time I am not so upset when people don´t like me though, because if they are being judgy l feel that I gave little cause for them to be so closeminded and petty about little offences against what they just personally like, and maybe they are only friends with specific types of people (boring!!) Also so I´m aware that this occurs.. inadvertantly either way. And so I don´t know if I actively try to please people, but more gage what they are like which makes me at least feel free to act differently with different people but more openly with certain people. I have come to really dislike empty connections though
Yeah I have found some interesting commonalities between people with Venus in the 9th

January 12, 2021 at 11:46

Do you think you seem more like a Cancer or a Taurus to others? In what ways do these signs contrast in behaviour etc?

January 12, 2021 at 12:03




January 12, 2021 at 16:50

Do you think that your 11th house would have such a prominent effect if you didn´t have your moon there? Equally to you feel where your Venus is located has some effect?
Huh.. Yeah now I am having to really think if I do act like a Sag again.. I think I´m not as bombastic as they are supposed to be
Yes the crab dance! Perhaps I do this too but it´s also like a libra-gemini (air) thing too probably

January 12, 2021 at 20:11

I´m not sure about Venus but my 11th house and my moon there, sure, I like to support people. Venus is more that I can appreciate beauty in science and people, for example I am interested in tribes and indigenous people.
Go look at how people are in real life, you will notice these quirky behaviours.

January 13, 2021 at 01:36

I think we all do a little filtering subconsciously. Cancers and Libras maybe more than others. I can take it a little harder when someone dislikes me if it feels unfair. It´s the unfairness that´s really upsetting. My Libra moon tries SO hard to be fair, when others aren´t fair it´s like the worst thing. If they don´t like me, but they´re fair about it, then I can still feel good, no problem. But it can drive me crazy if it´s over a misunderstanding or a shallow/narrow minded perception, especially if it´s someone who´s more than an acquaintance. Otherwise I just say "oops," try to do what´s fair, and move on with my life. I don´t mind mono-typical people, but too much time engaged with them is indeed boring. My Taurus DC actually finds some comfort/endearment in boring people though. Although simple is probably a better word. The reason being that everything else (myself included) is complicated/chaotic enough that it´s more of a relief than a drag.

January 13, 2021 at 01:42

What do you think is the most straight forward way to interpret placements/aspects in a harmonic chart? Would you say that a 5th harmonic chart is a direct representation of your character around 5th house things? Maybe a more inhibited looking chart would signify a less creative character?

January 13, 2021 at 03:16



January 13, 2021 at 10:08

I´m really interested in other people too but I think that´s mainly because of Venus in gemini in my 9th/third house in sag. As well the 12th in Virgo is meant to help people apparently.., well I don´t know precisely about this, I like interacting with animals more 😁 also I may have my sun in the 11th, but I am not understanding this placement yet either!

January 26, 2021 at 13:18

He was odd in that he seemed open-minded, emotional and intellectual but acted in a very flaky way as if he was unsure of what he should do then just suddenly stuck to a badly reasoned approach just because of "objectively selected logic" because he couldn´t rely on his own instinct
I think that sometimes making decisions is better, but yes not making the wrong ones when it actually kind of matters is important too. Which is why it´s better to not be so hasty or so rigid. So I don´t actually mind this aspect of our libra-ness
I think your right about cancers and libras, people say that we are like emotional sponges which I don´t think is true it´s just that we are really attuned to what is happening and picking up emotional cues etc that maybe we can get a little lost remembering what we are doing.
Oh god I know what you mean about fairness! (And lines crossed haha) I always seem to try so damn hard thinking about being fair and then other people are so nonchalant as if they are not even slightly bothered (or else they may be taking things personally inside and then putting on an act outside) well of course we cannot pick up on everything which is where I think libra-virgo gets irritated (mainly at ourselves) for the apparent lack of transparency/bad communication/the game played unfairly etc. But that´s when I can just tune out, like "ok, so no one is playing very nicely here.. I will just act more nonchalantly then all those b*tches " also I agree about not being liked, that´s not the worst thing, but when it is not even explained in words?? (Well this depends on who the person is/how well I know them) Just knowing the reason why they suddenly dislike me would be enough. I also hate the ambiguity of not knowing if I am or am not judging someone for presumably judging me?! Or not knowing if they are in fact a arse and I have complete clearance to think that
Hmm.. yes I think I know what you mean about "simple people", sometimes I would like to live amongst them but then realise that I may not fit in ☹ but often I do prefer them to the pseudo-intellectual trendy people I am exposed to

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