Jupiter and Saturn leave Capricorn

December 3, 2020 at 04:57 (UT/GMT)
(Leo) wilks222
Jupiter and Saturn leave Capricorn
How are we feeling about Jupiter and Saturn leaving Capricorn and entering Aquarius in mid December? Any insights?

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December 3, 2020 at 07:19
(Aries) alphagemini
Saturn and Jupiter leaving Capricorn and making a conjunction in Aquarius is the most important event in the last couple of hundred years. This conjunction is called a Great Mutation. Great Mutations occur when they change Triplicities. Previous conjunctions have happened in Earth. It will be in Air for many decades to come. This event has a number of markers which make it especially significant. It is not only a conjunction in Longitude but also in Latitude, or in parallel. It happens at the time of the Moon/Saturn conjunction and after a Venus ingress.

It will introduce a time of great change in human governments, discarding the idea of democracy and replacing it with the dictatorship of technical personal intrusion beyond the wildest dreams of the Stasi. The chasm between the rich and the ordinary masses will widen to the point of the creation of a separate species. The rich will be able to afford the genetic enhancement of their offspring to their enormous benefit, leaving behind a new subclass of comparatively useless paupers.

Please remember that the death of Kennedy, the declaration of the second European war, and numerous other major events including 9/11, happened at or shortly after this conjunction and a major ingress. Sudden and important changes happen at ingresses, including financial market events.

It would not surprise me if some atrocity happened at this time, ushering in a crisis change in social direction.

Although democracy has always been a concept rather than a practical reality, if we want to keep even a ghost of the original idea then we will have to fight for it. Watching the rich buying the presidencies has always been sickening, but things are going to get much worse.

I think that I have said enough for now, but the future will be complex and has dark clouds overshadowing it.
December 3, 2020 at 11:49
(Taurus) Boyan » alphagemini
On brighter side,Jupiter goes to more human but also more rebellious sign.And Saturn in Aquarius will change the ways of control.
New kind of solidarity must show in this period.Maybe as result of technical dictatorship or some other oppression.
Medical system must change.For better or for worst.Genetic breakthrough and laser use could be ways.
New kind of living style could occur like communes.Aquarius will weaker institutions like marriage.
Also devaluation of currencies is imminent.With idea of cashless society that is already in progress.
December 3, 2020 at 12:21
(Aries) alphagemini » Boyan
Agreed. On a non material basis there is the strong possibility of a new spiritual outpouring in counter to the wordly control narrative. It will meet with the usual persecution. Things will be different for sure.

Although Aquarius is always thought of as an Air sign it is also associated with water. The Jewish festival of Sukkot or Tabernacles shows this idea in ritual. The words attributed to the Lord Christ, ´anyone who believes in me, out of their belly will flow rivers of living water´, makes this material function an intense spiritual promise.
December 3, 2020 at 15:03
(Leo) wilks222 » alphagemini
Interesting perspective! I´m not sure if I share your pessimism - but I do agree that some radical structural changes are coming at a global level - good and bad.

I have lived in the U.S. for quite a while, and have become extremely concerned about the fractured system of government in the ´free world´. The Federal system, in particular, is starting to collapse -- I don´t think it´s a sustainable structure -- too oppressive, outdated and out of balance. The EU is having to learn the hard way that this one size fits all structure of government just doesn´t work. Humans are way too tribal to want to conform to those kinds of restrictive structures.

The people are beginning to rebel against the hand of ´big´ Government. I do think something major might happen next month (in the United States), which may accelerate that process.

A few scenarios:

1) Joe Biden is assassinated or just dies of some kind of illness. Kamala Harris becomes president. The people slowly reject her as she governs as a socialist and becomes too radical. So many scenarios could come out of this:

i. Tax increases on the middle class, increases in social services/larger government control;
ii. The Electoral college is abolished;
iii. Supreme Court is packed;
iv. Race and culture wars will be amplified even more.
v. Guns taken away.

2) Biden governs as a moderate and the far left (socialist) wing of the democratic party break off and form a new party and/or begin to form a new government.

3) Voter fraud is proven and Trump actually remains as president. I will leave the consequences to your imagination!
December 3, 2020 at 15:15
(Aries) alphagemini » wilks222
Thanks for your comments. We live in interesting times. Lets be ready to fight for democracy, its not perfect but its much better than the alternative.
December 3, 2020 at 19:29
(Taurus) IIyyaarr13
A good question is "is how many folks shall be traveling to witness the exact conjunction on the longest night of the year!" Some shall have to settle for the second or third longest night of the year for the best viewing spots! The Moon transits the Ecliptic´s Solstice point twelve days from now and the Sun enters Solstice eighteen days from now!
December 3, 2020 at 20:16
(Leo) Zephyrin
OH FINALLY THAT OBSTINATE GOAT LEFT

Saturn and Jupiter in Aquarius is not exactly good but better than being in Capricorn.

I have some insights...

-Technological innovations
-Cyber attacks and identity thefts will increase, scandals are possible especially for presidents and eminent people.
-Increasing in the actions of religious communities, new ways to trick people.
-People become rebellious about their life, half of them will want the good old days before corona and another half will want a change, a reform.
-there can be revealed something risky in covid vaccinations.
-working from home continue to be a displeasing habit for both adults and students.
December 3, 2020 at 21:32
(Leo) Sunnyshadow
I´m surprised no one has started a thread yet on the Grand Conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn on Dec. 21st, 2020. There are several things that make it exceptional. Which I discovered last night after a little surfing and u tubing. First, its occurring on the winter solstice, second, it´s happening at 0° Aquarius, third, they are shifting from earth sign conjunctions to air sign conjunctions, which only happens every 200 years, fourth, they are very tight on the elliptical plane (I think its called, could be wrong) which means they are conjunct both horizontally and vertically. Some think it´s a very significant conjunction which will bring about great and rapid change. I guess we will see
December 5, 2020 at 04:37
(Aries) alphagemini » Sunnyshadow
Its here, see my comment after the first post! This is the most important astrological event for many decades.
December 5, 2020 at 05:47
(Leo) Sunnyshadow » alphagemini
Oh, ok. I see it now! Good write up on it. It is a very interesting conjunction, to say the least! I´m very new to it, so I can´t really formulate any thoughts about it. But will be watching closely, and trying to learn what it signifies. Interesting times we are living in
December 5, 2020 at 05:54
(Aries) alphagemini » Sunnyshadow
I find it rather frightening when you consider the present instability of the US. The EU isn´t much better, deeply corrupt log rolling mess.
December 5, 2020 at 11:19
(Sagittarius) goldenlion32 » alphagemini
Democracy becomes subjective to interpretation. Fortunately, everyone has their own idea about what Democracy is and therefore, still not everyone on the same page. Cultural Diversity is complex as human nature. And even in the Netherlands here where they´re quite liberal, they´re running into some suggesting it´s becoming a Narco State, which then may end up taken over by the Maffia and some video saying the Government is already losing.

You have to remember there is Organized Crime versus Governments and the mainstream average citizen is not "Aware" to all the underground activity.

Defunding the Police for example, is not too cool when you have a lot of different Organized Crime.

Then are we talking about Oppression from the Organized Crime where your just pawn to move out of the way and no ethics, morals, values, or the Government which tries to keep things under control in society.

People don´t realize 100% freedom comes with huge price and when your standing there is it really freedom, or you just met the dark side of humanity.


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