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July 28, 2020 at 05:47 (UT/GMT)

House systems
Hello everyone! 
I´ve been researching the different house systems. I´m curious of what you all think. What is your house system preference and why?
Thanks!

I´ve been researching the different house systems. I´m curious of what you all think. What is your house system preference and why?
Thanks!


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July 28, 2020 at 06:10


When I first saw the Whole Signs, its clean cuts and symmetry were such a huge relief for my mind...at least for a beginner like myself, it´s definitely easier to wrap my head around


July 28, 2020 at 06:32


July 28, 2020 at 06:39

Placidus to WS: Pluto 11th/12th, Sun 8th/9th, Chiron 6th/7th, Venus 9th/10th,Mars 10th/11th.
Haven´t yet had the time to process these and compare, but it´s definitely on my ´to do´ list

How about you?

July 28, 2020 at 06:49

Moon: 11/12
Venus:10/11
Mars: 1/2
Jupiter: 12/1
Neptune: 5/6
Node: 3/4
Lilith: 12/1
Chiron: 10/11
Big changes right? This is why I´m so curious! Thanks Anikey!


July 28, 2020 at 11:02

We can divide equator (Regiomontanus), prime vertical (Campanus) or we can divide points in time and space (Koch, Placidus). Personally, I like Pisa/Krusinski housesystem. It divide main circle with four points: AS-nadir-DS-zenith. It seems to be very similar to Campanus...but it is not. Campanus ignore AS and DS points and instead use EP and WP (real astronomic east and west, which, obviously is not the same as AS and DS.
Other, symbolic house systems, eg. equal, seems like nonsense to me, but it is only my opinion and everyone is free to use what he/she likes...

July 28, 2020 at 11:27


July 29, 2020 at 01:54

"I like Pisa/Krusinski housesystem. It divide main circle with four points: AS-nadir-DS-zenith. "
Can you tell me why you prefer pisa/Krusinki housesystem and explain the four points pls?

July 29, 2020 at 01:57



July 29, 2020 at 02:28

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"Whole sign in my experience works very bad and many people make mistakes because of that."
"Works very bad"? What are you even talking about? :-), haha. Whole Signs is the most ancient house system. It is the only house system used in Vedic astrology, and the first and most ancient house system used in Tropical.
You really need to research this, as I actually did. I´ve been using Whole Signs ever since I started in astrology. And 99.9% (no exaggerations at all) of all of my "clients" (I don´t charge) find their "new houses" and explanations way more accurate than they did with Placidus or other house systems. And I do 2-3 (sometimes even more) readings a day, 7 days a week, non-stop. And I am talking about full readings.
Up to date, 10 out of 10 of all my private "clients" immediately switched to Whole Signs after my detailed analysis.
Astrology is a "mathematical science/art". It represents Life, and life has symmetry, a correct balance and correspondence, etc. Life - all of its manifestations - are symmetrical in nature. Just as mathematics is. There are "no special rules" or "contradictions" in math (or in Life).
Every house system (with the exception of perhaps "Equal Houses"), has its weaknesses, "exceptions to the rules", and inherent problems.
With Whole Signs, none, absolutely none, of those difficulties/contradictions arise. It is a perfectly symmetrical system with a correct/intuitive, one-to-one correspondence between one Whole sign and one whole house - as it should be. Originally, houses were not "separated" from the signs that represents them. Because it makes absolutely no sense to do so!
The ONLY reason Placidus is so much in use, is an historical reason; it has nothing to do with precision or effectiveness. But for that, one must actually research these things.
And those researches are there for those who are interested in them. Robert Hand - the greatest scholar in astrology - did a very in-depth research into house systems from an historical perspective. This took him a few years, and the use (and translation) and many ancient/original texts.
And a very interesting (one hour long or more) podcast is available, on why Placidus became one of the main house systems in use. This podcast, was recorded by another well known astrology scholar: Chris Brennan. Here it is:
https://theastrologypodcast.com/202…
And here is Robert Hand´s research:
https://www.arhatmedia.com/whole_si…
Now, if someone carefully study both of the above sources, then I would be more than willing to engage in a friendly debate about it. But without having actually done our research on it, saying such a thing as: "Whole sign in my experience works very bad and many people make mistakes because of that", is very misinformed to say the least.
Just saying, :-)).

July 29, 2020 at 04:21

For sidereal zodiac i think whole sign is only one system. I just want to ask you question? Have you ever asked why each planet is ruler this house , or even quaestiones anything about astrology? I question everything , i try to find out answers. I put my nick Promethean_soul is not empty word.
Ancient astrologers i respect. I try to get real hermetic knowledge. You know there are exaltation degrees for planets , for example for Jupiter is 15 degrees cancer and for taurus is 3 degrees Taurus. I did statistical researches , in taurus 27 degree we know there is Algol fixed star , moon works very strongly and it is 3 degree in sidereal. Jupiter works very strongly in leo 7-8 degrees because there is fixed stars asellius austtalis and asellius borealis , and more there is preasepe star cluster. İt has very strong affect. İn that placement jupiter´s declination is near 19 degree and it is declination of Arcturus. I try to understand this.
I question everything what i learn , my style can be very rebellious and i love it. İ harshly criticize many things my mc is in virgo and that is quite normal

Still in our times there are very few astrologers i respect . Why few? Majority of them learnt what other asrologers said. İt is the easiest way , i can study Venus is ruler of Taurus and libra , 10th house is career and social status and so on. İt is the way which we need to obey everything? I am sorry but I am not such person. I still questions many many things in astrology for improving it. İf i don´t ciritize how I can do that. I tried to use whole sign system in tropical zodiacs and results were always dissapointed. Any relation with planets and houses I by myself saw it .
Ancients astrologer were better than us even they were less clever and they have less knowledge. Why? Because they took a note everything in planet positions we do that now? Only we look at last and hey when this planet square that planet then this happened. We have technology but still we don´t know how to use it. I will open new subject about that what we can do for that. I have some ideas.
My rebellious side is not to all time critizie astrolgy but really to make contributions astrology even I am not amateur or professional. I opened a thread about Chiron. I question about it and ask who put this name in this asteroid, what we think about Chiron maybe all is different than what we think. I wrote , Chiron appeared to announce closing of Aquarian age. This is my thought. I just want modern astrologers to question every knowledge. Houses are the most problematic field. I saw 1th,2th, 3th,8tg,9th,10th,11th house worked but some of them different what we think. There must be real statistical analysis about houses. İn my experience whole sign works not good but we people must combine our experiences. I love Robert Hand , he is not only good astrologer but also historian.


July 29, 2020 at 12:06

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I am the most Uranian individual you would ever meet. I am a free thinker with my own mind even since I was 7-8. I never follow any "authority"; zero, none, nada. I am a researcher with a very solid background in science and advanced math. And I am a super Virgo who question and challenge everything and everyone.
And I´ve been doing astrology - from a research standpoint - for years!
So when I speak, I come from solid arguments based on my own research with hundreds of cases. And everything I explained in my previous reply, stood the test of empirical evidence and results. And it is sound and solid research.
Of course; you are entitled to your opinion. But it is only that; an opinion. Which doesn´t make it any less valid, of course.
I have tested Whole Signs with hundreds of cases, and it has always (100%) worked for me very accurately. And that´s the opinion of all my "clients", not just my own. And hundreds of astrologers use Whole Signs with the same degree of effectiveness than I do.
Anyway, thanks for your reply,


July 29, 2020 at 20:19



July 29, 2020 at 23:25


July 30, 2020 at 05:08

Question, have you read or researched the book they mentioned in the video by Martin Gasten "Primary Directions: Astrology’s Old Master Technique"? If you have what is my best avenue in researching? I did a quick search online and found this:
http://www.martingansten.com/pd.php
Another question (if you don´t mind) in the video they mentioned Project Hindsight - what do you think about this?
I have Robert Hands "Planets in Transit & Planets in Composite". I also have Robert Pelletier books "Planets in Houses and Planets in Aspects", what say you about Pelletier’s work? Looks like I´ll be adding Robert Hand´s "Whole Sign Houses: The Oldest House System" eBook. I have a lot of spare time right now to finally read these books.
Thank you! I appreciate all information you´d think would be a good place to start!


July 30, 2020 at 05:16

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July 30, 2020 at 05:52


July 30, 2020 at 06:13

I just used it to compare and noticed that Placidus and Koch are almost identical, with one difference. I am wondering if are they generally that similar or just in this particular case?

July 30, 2020 at 06:19

For me not. I have absolutely different charts as wholesign and placidus, it doesnt work and in fact i started to hate this promotion of whole sign system. In this modern way it seems to me very simple and out of context. I feel it just as fashionable thing primarily because it is ancient, but conditions and circumstaces of these ancient times are more deeper...
To make people to fit to picked houses system x) i call it astrology manipulation x))
My opinion


July 30, 2020 at 06:56

July 30, 2020 at 07:02



July 30, 2020 at 07:51


For both of us, the WS chart looks completely different, we are not talking minor changes....



July 30, 2020 at 09:40

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"For me not."
Well, you are just ONE individual. And if it doesn´t "work" for you, then it doesn´t. However, I bet that I would be able to accurate read your chart in Whole Signs. Of course, you would just deny everything just to "prove" your point, haha. So no; I would not read your chart, ;-).
"I have absolutely different charts as wholesign and placidus, it doesnt work and in fact i started to hate this promotion of whole sign system."
I don´t base my professional opinion on emotions. I am a researcher.
"In this modern way it seems to me very simple and out of context."
Out of context? It is based on sound mathematics, I am afraid. Based on the laws of symmetry and correct correspondence and relationships. You are just uttering opinions not based on any actual arguments.
"I feel it just as fashionable thing primarily because it is ancient, but conditions and circumstaces of these ancient times are more deeper..."
With all due respect, but you don´t know what you are saying. Clearly, you haven´t even read the research about it, and don´t even understand it. Do so (actually read it and study it), as I did, and THEN we can debate based on ACTUAL arguments; not on emotions. That´s not debate. That´s just a display of human emotions.
"To make people to fit to picked houses system x) i call it astrology manipulation x))"
I show them - to all of them - the two versions of the interpretations - one based on Placidus, and another based on Whole Signs. And THEY, not me, invariably choose Whole Signs. If this is "manipulation", then I am afraid you are the only manipulator here, ;-).
"My opinion

To which you are entitled. However, I don´t act based on "opinions". I act based on sound research and empirical evidence/data.
Take care,



July 30, 2020 at 10:16

Even your empirical evidence and researches are opinions, dont deceive yourself. And people who use "my opinion" are not stupid. I just accept, that there are more connections, some make and some dont make me sense... It need to study all ancient to make whole picture... Maybe you have more knowledges, I dont care.


July 30, 2020 at 11:25

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"Maybe you have more knowledges, I dont care."
Not "maybe", ;-). And I definitely don´t care about your "opinions". I only care about facts, as I said. And I won´t keep up this nonsense with you. Take care. Learn to debate instead of just reacting, and maybe we can talk, ;-). Have a nice day.

July 30, 2020 at 11:44


Ok...thanks for your sincere wishes


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