Birth chart is a map of our particular karma

May 14, 2020 at 20:21 (UT/GMT)
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Birth chart is a map of our particular karma
It wonders me if a child beaten to death deserved the karma if he´s not even aware of it?

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May 14, 2020 at 20:32
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That´s not "karma" at all. Karma isn´t punishment. Karma is one most misunderstood words in the field of religion/philosophy.

In fact, it is only when we have already fully understood the implications and ramifications of Karma, that we stop being the victims of others of and life. Before that, everything is someone else´s fault, or "God´s will", or "Life is bad", or, or, or....
May 14, 2020 at 20:36
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Karma is very unfair concept. It cannot be real. The point is that regardless of how many incarnations you undergone, you have no chance at all to clean up your karma fully. Therefore you clean up something and making dirty something else. Your karma is accumulating both directions and you´re hopeless to ever escape it. It´s scam theory imho.
May 14, 2020 at 22:34
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It´s lengthy but superb :)

Karma explained perfectly by Ajaan Suwat:

Listen carefully. I´m going to explain karma in line with the principles of the Buddha´s Awakening. When the Buddha explained karma, he did so in line with one of the knowledges he attained on the night of his Awakening: recollection of past lives. In becoming the Buddha, it wasn´t the case that he had been born only once and had practiced only one lifetime before attaining Awakening. He had been developing his goodness, his perfections, for many lifetimes. That was how he had been able to build up his discernment continually over the course of time to the point where he could awaken to the subtle Dhamma so hard for anyone to recollect, so hard for anyone to awaken to. He had been developing his mindfulness until it was fully powerful, his discernment until it was fully powerful, so that he could come to know the truth. For this reason, our understanding of karma has to depend both on our study and on our practice, training our own minds as the Buddha did so as to gain discernment step by step.
When the Buddha spoke about karma after his Awakening to the truth, he was referring to action. There´s physical karma, i.e., the actions of the body; verbal karma, the actions of speech; and mental karma, the actions of the mind. All human beings, all living beings, experience good things and bad, pleasure and pain, from karma — their own actions.

Karma is something very subtle. When you ask about rebirth and how you´ll experience pleasure and pain in future lives, you should first study karma in your present life, your actions in your present life. Understand your actions in the present life clearly. Once you understand them, once you know the truth of action in the present, then when you train the mind further you´ll gradually come to the end of your doubts. There´s no one who has ever resolved doubts about rebirth simply through reading or hearing the spoken word. Even among those who´ve practiced a long time: if their discernment isn´t up to the task, they´ll still have their same old doubts. The texts tell us that doubt is ended only with the attainment of the first of the noble paths, called stream-entry. Stream-enterers have cut away three defilements: self-identity views, doubt, and attachment to precepts and practices. When the discernment of the noble path arises, knowledge of birth and death, rebirth and redeath, arises together with it. As for our current level of discernment: if we want to know about these things, we need to do the preliminary work. We need to study the nature of action in the present. So today I won´t speak of future lifetimes. I´ll teach about the three kinds of action — physical action, verbal action, and mental action — in the present.

These three kinds of action are divided into two sorts: good and bad. Bad actions give rise to suffering. Good actions give rise to good results: happiness, prosperity, mindfulness, and discernment, both in the present and on into future days, future months, future years.

Bad actions are called unskillful karma. The Buddha taught that we should abandon this kind of karma. In the area of physical action, that includes tormenting and killing living beings, whether large or small. This kind of action is unskillful because it lacks good will and compassion. All living beings love their life. If we kill them, it´s unskillful because we have no compassion, no pity, no regard for their lives. This is why the Buddha told us not to do it. If we kill other human beings, we get punished in the present both by the civil law and by the Dhamma.

These three things — killing, stealing, and illicit sex — are all called unskillful physical karma. We should contemplate them to see why the Buddha told us not to do them. When we´ve contemplated them, we´ll see that they really aren´t good things to do because we wouldn´t want anyone to do them to us. For example, the wealth that we´ve earned is something we´re possessive of. It´s something we want to use as we like. If someone were to steal it from us or cheat us out of it, then even if that person used to be our friend, that´s the end of the friendship. We can´t live with that person any longer. We´re sure to have a quarrel and a falling out. That person might even have to go to jail for the theft. This is crude karma, the kind whose results are visible in the immediate present.

The same holds true with the third precept. Once we´ve decided to get married, to live with another person, then if that person cheats on us, think of how much suffering there will be for both sides. People who want peace or who are established in morality won´t praise the other person as being a good person. All of these things are unskillful physical actions that the Buddha taught us to abandon.

As for verbal karma, there are four kinds of unskillful action: lying, divisive speech, harsh speech, and idle chatter. And in the area of mental karma, there are three: greed, ill will, and wrong views.

Whoever does any of these ten kinds of unskillful actions — the three kinds of unskillful physical karma, the four kinds of unskillful verbal karma, and the three kinds of unskillful mental karma — is an unskillful person. This is why we´re taught that we´re the owners of our actions. If we act in these mistaken ways, we become mistaken people. We´re the ones who are defiled by those actions: no one else is defiled by what we do. This is why we´re taught to reflect every day that we´re the owner of our actions. If we do something bad, we become bad people and we have to reap the bad results, the suffering that arises from that action. That´s why we´re taught that we´re the heirs to our actions. If we don´t abandon those actions, if we keep doing them often, the results of those actions will follow us wherever we go. There´s no way we can be regarded as good people. This is why we´re taught that we´re followed by our actions. Wherever we go, if we don´t give up that kind of behavior we´ll be mistrusted by society.

The reason the Buddha has us reflect on these things — that we´re the owners of our actions, heirs to our actions, followed by our actions — is so that we´ll pay attention to our actions every day, so that we´ll see them clearly for what they are. If we don´t clearly see the nature and results of our actions, we should contemplate them further: Why does killing result in suffering? When a person kills, why is that person a bad person? The same holds true with stealing and illicit sex. If we examine these actions carefully, making our minds impartial and fair, we´ll see that these actions really are bad. They really result in suffering. We´ll see for ourselves in line with what the Buddha taught. We don´t have to look at anyone else. We just look at ourselves. If we see that what we´re doing isn´t good, then when other people do the same things, the same holds true for them. Whoever does these things is a bad person. If a lot of people do these things, then there´s trouble for a lot of people. If everyone in the world were to do these things, the whole world would be troubled. The peace and happiness the world does experience comes totally from the good actions of good people.

The ten things we´ve been talking about are karma on the unskillful side, but there are also ten kinds of skillful karma — three physical, four verbal, and three mental — in just the same way. These are the actions that bring us happiness and prosperity. In terms of the three kinds of skillful physical karma, we use our discernment and compassion to consider things. We have compassion for animals that are about to be killed. If we see something belonging to someone else that we´d like, we have compassion for them so that we wouldn´t want to steal that thing or cheat the other person out of it. If we see an opportunity for some illicit sex, we reflect on the fact that we´re already married and should have only one heart, one love. We should have compassion for the person we live with. If we cheat on that person, we´ll create suffering for him or her. Having only one heart, one love, is meritorious, for it allows us to live together for life. So if we learn to abandon the pleasures that come from taking life, stealing, and illicit sex, we benefit. We become good people. Society doesn´t mistrust us. The society of good people recognizes us as good people, as clean people, pure in body because our virtues are pure. This is where purity comes from.

To save time, I´ll condense the remainder of the discussion. The ten kinds of skillful actions are the opposite of the ten kinds of unskillful ones. In terms of the three kinds of skillful physical karma, we abstain from the three kinds of unskillful karma. We resolve not to do them, and we follow through absolutely in line with that resolve. The same holds for the four kinds of skillful verbal karma. We resolve firmly not to lie, not to engage in divisive speech, in harsh speech, or idle chatter. We also resolve not to be greedy, not to feel ill will for anyone, and to straighten out our views — i.e., to hold to the principle of karma, seeing that if we do good, we´ll become good; if we do bad, we´ll become bad. When we see things in this way, our views are right in line with the truth.

Unskillful actions comes from the mind´s being affected by the defilements of greed, anger, and delusion. People kill and steal out of greed, engage in illicit sex out of greed, steal or kill out of anger. Sometimes they engage in illicit sex out of anger, as a way of getting even. Sometimes they do these things out of delusion, as when they´re tricked into doing them along with other people. That´s why these three defilements — greed, anger, and delusion — are so important. And this is why we develop mindfulness, so that we´ll see how these three defilements are the root of unskillfulness. If they arise, they can cause us to misbehave in various ways, to engage in unskillful karma. So when they arise, we have to use our discernment to hold them in check.

As for skillful mental states: When we understand how unskillfulness comes from these three defilements — when we´ve heard these teachings and considered them on our own — the mind comes to feel shame at the idea of misbehaving in any of those ways. It realizes why they shouldn´t be done. It also develops a sense of moral dread, realizing that if we do those things, we´ll become bad people. Our friends — anyone who knows us — will criticize us, won´t want to associate with us, will despise us. When we feel this kind of dread, we can abandon those things.

So when our discernment reaches the stage where we have this sense of shame and moral dread, when we resolve not to do wrong in terms of our physical, verbal, and mental karma, then skillful mental states have arisen within us. These states will then lead us to do all sorts of good. We´ll feel compassion for others. We´ll want to help them. This in turn becomes one of our perfections, causing other people, other beings, to love us in return. The happiness that comes from this goodness is called merit (puñña). When we have a sense of shame and moral dread, we exercise restraint over our physical actions so that we don´t do anything wrong. This means that our body is pure. We exercise restraint over our speech, not breaking our precepts, and in this way our speech is pure. We exercise restraint over the mind, an in this way our mind is pure. When we exercise restraint and don´t do anything wrong, we´ll know for ourselves that we´re good people — good because what we do is good.

As for the good things that come from doing good: our friends will love us, people trust us, we pose no threat to anyone anywhere. People are happy to welcome us into their society. When we act in this way, we´re not mistrusted wherever we go. Thus, when we do good, that good karma is ours. We´ll be skillful people. If other people do good, that good karma is theirs. As for people who don´t restrain themselves in this way, they don´t have a share in that goodness. This is why the Buddha said that we´re the owners of our actions.

If we do good, we´ll experience good results. If we keep doing good, that goodness will keep following us wherever we go. For example, if a monk observes his precepts, exercises restraint over his words and deeds in Thailand, the people there recognize him as a good person. When he comes to America, we see that he´s a good person who poses no danger to us. The same holds true with us. If we behave in a skillful way, we´re good people. If we go to Thailand, the people there will welcome us. Wherever we go, people will welcome us. It´s when we do evil that people want to keep us out.

So we can see clearly in line with what the Buddha said: Living beings are what they are in line with their actions. If we do good, we´re good people and experience happiness. Society welcomes us. We help bring pleasure to the world. When we see the good we´ve done, we´ll feel happy with ourselves. Esteem for ourselves. We can guarantee our own purity. Wherever we go, we can go with confidence, for there are no hidden weak points in our behavior or hearts. We´re not afraid of being found out for anything, for we have nothing to hide. It´s because of our purity that we can be confident and brave. Wherever we go, we know that good people will welcome us. Moreover, we can help them become better people, too. They can take us as an example, and in this way we serve a beneficial purpose. The activities of good people are much more beneficial than those of people who aren´t good. This is because their minds tend toward self-sacrifice for the sake of the world, the sake of the common good. In this way they win honor, praise, wealth, and happiness. Society spreads their name far and wide for the goodness they´ve done.

Now that you´ve heard about the pleasure and pain that come in the present from good and bad karma we´ve done, do you understand what I´ve said? Do you agree?
May 15, 2020 at 00:19
(Virgo) Nani Lei
I think our birth chart is a map of karmic identity. Most people like to think they have control over destiny. Maybe you have choices but time and circumstance are also factors in that equation and those things are not controlled at birth. I didn’t ask to be born or for my parents. It’s a gift or curse. Not a curse in the sense of witch craft but again circumstance of opinion. A child that is beaten to death by a parent most certainly didn’t deserve to be brought into this world. It was a decision...and those decisions affect us all and are carried on. As a parent, just the thought, makes me hold my child tighter and thus is passed on. Someone else’s decision affected me but also gave me a choice. Was that parent abused by their parent’s or someone else? Most of the time that’s the case. A behavior that is passed on. I believe that our actions have an unforeseen role in all of our lives. It’s up to each of us to realize that connection in order to impact a difference and lead a moral life.
May 15, 2020 at 02:02
(Taurus) IIyyaarr13
Karma is annoying because the natural goal is NOT to get what has been dished out! Is it possible to be born a Brahmin in multiple millennia rather than drop down the caste system where the climax of the week is stealing a chicken!
There is a version of me a lot longer in San Francisco, not always better karma, but a useful experience none-the-less!
Having to be born is rattling karma enough!
The idea of relative karma versus identical karma, at some point just seems too much, but eventually it is identical, like it or lump it!
May 15, 2020 at 13:16
(Pisces) fishscales
We are what we are because of karma.

The world is what it is because of karma.

In this world, people kill, rape, and commit all kinds of unspeakable crimes, many that cannot even be perceived by the physical senses. How is the debt for those actions going to be paid? Where is the energy that drove those actions going to go? It only makes sense that it returns to its original point of origin. To put it in a way that even a child can relate to, it is the only thing that is "fair." Karma is the infallible mechanism of justice that is woven into the very fabric of existence.

Every cause has an effect, and every effect has a cause.

This does NOT mean that if we see someone on the street getting robbed or worse, that we should not try to intervene, and think "Oh they must deserve it because of their karma." No! Firstly, helping is the human thing to do, and secondly, we have no idea what is in someone´s karmic bank account, nor is it any of our concern. We are all personally responsible for practicing right action at all times, regardless of any and all extenuating circumstances.

Even in less immediately dire circumstances, we should have compassion for those who are suffering, even though they brought on the karmic circumstances for their suffering themselves. (We would also do well to realize that we are in the exact same boat ourselves, although our sufferings may be different.) We should try to help if we can, although we cannot force our help on anyone.

Having some sort of understanding of how karma works does not mean we should harden our hearts and just accept everything the way it is. There is only one law that is higher than the law of karma: the law of love. The gods did not leave us trapped on an endless, meaningless wheel of cause and effect with no avenue of esacape. Embodying love and right action is key, because those things destroy karma. A superior law washes away an inferior law. But we have to take action in order to appreciate this: do what Buddha did in Rohini´s post. Train ourselves, from whatever point we are at this moment. Right action is not going to take over automatically, and the gods are not going to force it on us, because they respect free will. The ability (and honor) to be able to perform right action on a semi-consistent, then consistent, then permanent basis requires work and sacrifice...and the burning off of alot of karma.

Lastly, we are not consciously aware of our karma or our past lives because our consciousness is asleep, trapped in our ego. Masters like Jesus and Buddha could see all their past lives from front to back, with complete clarity, because they brought their consciousness to a free, unconditioned state through training. These days we are more concerned with fulfilling our desires (the root of the ego), concocting complicated intellectual theories about this and that (an expression of the ego), and hypnotizing our consciousness through movies and television. These things are heavy; they trap the consciousness and effectively blind it.

On the surface, it seems unfair that we cannot see, yet again, it is the karmic circumstance that we have created for ourselves.

If we become very quiet within ourselves, we can still hear the voice of our consciousness (our conscience) pulling us the other way...
May 15, 2020 at 13:58
(Aquarius) nikkia » rohini moon
*Understand your actions in the present life clearly. Once you understand them, once you know the truth of action in the present, then when you train the mind further you´ll gradually come to the end of your doubts.*

This statement resonated deeply. Taking personal responsibility for all we think, say and do is a path worth taking. I don´t personally believe in Karma. I´m more inclined to agree with Marvin about this, but I do truly enjoy the philosophical exploration of different ideas that attempt to make sense of our existence.

A good read... thank you for this. :78:
May 15, 2020 at 14:32
(Virgo) rohini moon » nikkia
. I don´t personally believe in Karma

I understand, everyone has their beliefs...I´m happy you enjoyed the read :) take what you like and leave the rest :)
May 15, 2020 at 15:08
(Aquarius) Marc Sales » rohini moon
Very good explanation !!
May 15, 2020 at 17:22
(Pisces) Mythic
On the more spiritual and intuitive level, it becomes part of the grand scheme of spirit and pertains to past lives and reincarnations.

But on the scientific or even philosophical level, I think it´s primarily an existential experience. Meaning we basically determine our own karma based on our subconscious guilt or self-righteousness, and punish ourselves or deem ourselves worthy of such treatment based on our own karmic self-evaluation. Again, subconsciously, it may never be a conscious self-evaluation, but it is still self-inflicted, happening behind the scenes as we grow and shape our own personal perception of reality.

South Node could pertain to past reincarnations or it could be a predisposition to experience certain traumas or difficult experiences in early childhood development. So either way the North Node would point to the way out, of ´letting go´.
May 16, 2020 at 18:54
(Aquarius) nikkia » rohini moon
Taking what you like and leaving the rest is the antithesis of philosophical exploration. This is not a practice me and my :179: rising can embrace...

Unless, of course, I´m speed reading a magazine article in Cosmo. But that´s not philosophy, or is it?
Via La Difference!

I loved the idea that I quoted because it rings true. It matters little if a person believes in Karma or not.

That quoted concept can be applied to daily life. It´s application can help a person´s beliefs to evolve, which is kinda whole the point of philosophy.

Simply brilliant!
May 16, 2020 at 18:58
(Virgo) rohini moon » nikkia
...hmm, well, if you liked that particular piece - and dont believe in karma- when the monks entire teaching was ON karma ..didn´t you just take what you like?

I´m not following.

This belief in western civilization that Buddhism is a "philosophy" is wrong. It´s a religion.

Buddhism is also not about preaching, Buddha advised against it...so that´s why my answer to you was one of understanding that you have no belief system in karma...so take what you like and leave the rest.
May 16, 2020 at 19:18
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » nikkia
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"Unless, of course, I´m speed reading a magazine article in Cosmo." ....
:75: :61: :4:
May 16, 2020 at 19:32
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » rohini moon
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Buddhism is really rather an intellectual philosophy, I was a member, but actual rituals are very religious, most of them adopted from Hinduism and Christianity.
May 16, 2020 at 19:36
(Virgo) rohini moon » MarvinReal
Theravada Buddhism is not a philosophy. Go to any Theravada monastery and ask any monk if what he´s following and gave up laity for is a "philosophy" or a religion.

That´s the branch I follow..

Not sure which branch you´re following.....

Tibetan Buddhism is more shamanistic than religious or philosophical.

I´m not even going to go there with this nonsensical debate with people who don´t even know the first thing about theravada Buddhism most likely..

Know what you´re talking about before you open your mouth or in this case - before you type.
May 16, 2020 at 19:39
(Aquarius) Marc Sales
Insight: ---------> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Karma: ----------> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
May 16, 2020 at 19:43
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I practised Tibetan Buddhism following 17th Karmapa. There are obviously many branches of Buddhism, alike with other belief systems.
May 16, 2020 at 19:45
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » rohini moon
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Omg. :11:
May 16, 2020 at 19:51
(Virgo) rohini moon » MarvinReal
Ajaan Suwat Suvaco was of the Thervada Thai forest monk lineage.

Thervada is the closest most accurate branch of Buddhism as it follows Buddhas actual teachings as passed down form the Sutras.

Tibetan Buddhism doesn´t follow or mention ANY sutras in their branch....that´s fine, I guess if that´s what they want to do.

But don´t come here and try and tell me nonsense that Theravada is a philosophy ...

They don´t ordain and have 227 precepts to adhere here to over a philosophy.


now you´re just irking my soul.
May 16, 2020 at 19:55
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » Marc Sales
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Karma in Buddhism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
Karma in Hinduism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
Karma in Christianity doesn´t exist. It´s against its teachings of total redemption by grace and faith, despite nobody can actually deserve it, regardless of their deeds.
May 16, 2020 at 20:01
(Aquarius) Marc Sales » MarvinReal
Many philosophical (or esoteric) schools around Christianity deserve a review of that conclusion, which on the other hand, Christianity itself has been responsible for suppressing on numerous occasions ... Such is the current situation. It is the Karma of Christianity itself ...

It has been left with only one cerebral hemisphere and has capped the other hemisphere ... !!!
May 16, 2020 at 20:04
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I studied that. Nobody can know what Buddha taught. First writings are nearly one thousands year after his supposed life. Nobody knows whether he is only a mythological character. Islam has at least a proof of Mohammad´s existence roughly 50 years after his death. First gospel of a New Testament was written down just a decade after events. And we know that radiocarbon dating is very imprecise. I don´t know about other branches of Buddhism, but the basement is very fragile and untrustworthy. Nonetheless I enjoyed Buddhist meditations, singing, socializing and living style. But it´s like shopping in markets, you take what you like.
May 16, 2020 at 20:09
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » Marc Sales
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Of course, I agree. Every faith consists imperfect humans so it cannot be really holy. Not in this world. And then we have deuterocanonical books, apocryphas, Sabian symbols and Sabians [described in Quran] can be related. Why would they be described as "people of the book" if Mohammad didn´t mean those guys?!
May 16, 2020 at 20:12
(Aquarius) Marc Sales » Marc Sales
There is also a dichotomy in the West (and specifically in Europe) since biblical times: that of the two hemispheres of the brain. 1) The one who occupies the "language" (Mercury) and 2) the one who occupies the "Myth" (Jupiter), whether he is religious or not. But the Greek inheritance is also dichotomous in the way of "thinking the World", to the Platonic or to the Aristotelian ... or also between the "Apolineo" and the "Dionysiac" and thus to infinity ...
May 16, 2020 at 20:16
(Aquarius) Marc Sales » MarvinReal
And there is also that duality in (for example) in Christianity ... if you are only worth it with "faith" or you seek to save your soul and "experience" what is required .... "Opinion or Experience" according to the ancient Greeks ...
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