Introduction to Heliocentric astrology

November 20, 2019 at 11:22 (UT/GMT)
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Introduction to Heliocentric astrology
I´ve asked few people on this forum who previously mentioned something about Heliocentric natal chart and Heliocentric synastry, to step on and make a thread about that. But no action from anyone so I am taking the lead on that.

Now, I still believe in geo+topo astrology, but I found Helioentric natal and synastry so revealing that is hard to ignore it. Some planets in Helio synastry make aspects which are not shown in geo synastry. Natal chart looks like different soul while it keeps your true nature. It´s just interesting. If I had few years free time, but I am too busy

Firstly, let´s start with basic divisions of astrology as they are often misunderstood:

>Tropical Western Geocentric/Topocentric/Helioentric/Draconic
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>Sidereal Eastern/Western Geocentric/Topocentric/Helioentric/Draconic
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=Heliocentric Tropical/Sidereal
=Draconic Tropical/Sidereal
=Progressed Tropical/Sidereal

By viewpoint:
>Geocentric
>Topocentric
>Helioentric

https://www.astrologicalassociation.com/…

http://www.magiastrology.com/fin_as…

http://rasa.ws/rasa-library-menu-pa…

https://www.forbes.com/sites/…

https://www.astro.com/astrowiki/en/…

https://www.astrologysoftware.com/r…

https://ashcloudds.wordpress.com/20…

http://www.dreamastrologer.com/astr…

https://ashcloudds.wordpress.com/20…

https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/g…

Sedgwick, Philip
Erlewine, Michael

Sedgwick, Philip, 1990. The Sun at the Center: A Primer of Heliocentric Astrology, Llewellyn Publications

http://michaelerlewine.com
https://michaelerlewine.wordpress.com/…
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https://www.astro.com/astrowiki/en/…
http://michaelerlewine.com/viewtopi…

Be free to post all texts and resources on Helioentric astrology. Especially needed regarding "interpretation" of that. Also, post your Heliocentric natal or synastry, if you want.

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November 20, 2019 at 11:45
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My natal chart. (Tropical Helioentric, on astro-seek). What does it mean?
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November 20, 2019 at 21:47
(Virgo) Al » MarvinReal
Thanks for gathering and posting the articles. I am very far from composing a good answer to "what does it mean?" But I am curious to take a look at a heliocentric point of view.

I´ve printed out my helio/geo chart, chart of helio alone, and the table listing the differences. Next: spending some time looking at it and finding out if anything resonates with what I´ve experienced.

I don´t immediately recognize any good reason to be interested in the aspects between positions of planets in geo vs positions of planets in helio. Rather, I would look to see if the helio shows an alternative point of view, separate from or in addition to the geo one.

I was struck by the diagram highlighting the positions of planets in the zone between the Sun and Earth. This seems like a better focus.

Also, without houses or ascendant, I don´t understand the argument put forward from several sources that a heliocentric birthchart indicates something archetypal. I can see that it would show what everyone born at a certain time was birthing into: the heliocentric chart says the solar system looked like THIS at that hour. But how is that descriptive of an archetype? Surely not everyone born at the same hour shares the same archetypal nature? Perhaps they are using "archetype" in a way I´m not used to.

Using heliocentric charts to track and forecast economic events seems a more logical use. The evidence for a helio signature of musical artists is intriguing.
November 20, 2019 at 22:27
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You´re right. Ascendant and houses are not necessary in Helio chart. So simple.

Instead of the Sun, we have the Earth conjunct Moon conjunct Lilith conjunct Selene in everyone´s natal chart. That´s how it really is.

I don´t whether and how archetypes apply in Helio.

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"I was struck by the diagram highlighting the positions of planets in the zone between the Sun and Earth. This seems like a better focus."

Where is it?
November 21, 2019 at 00:49
(Virgo) Al » MarvinReal
It’s far down in the rasa post.
November 21, 2019 at 02:35
(Pisces) TimeSciences » MarvinReal
Heliocentric is something I first saw discussed on a financial forum with the same link to Magi you gave.
I don´t know what it means, but clearly it has demonstrated successful results for many users!
By the way, your natal chart makes a great design complete with a 5 pointed star! Mine is so dull and lacking any interesting design :24:
November 21, 2019 at 06:42
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Your chart is everything else than dull. Earth+Moon in tight opposite Mars. I guess that give increased energy flowing through Earth and therefore you. Earth in weak trine to Jupiter. Venus in weak trine to Saturn. Mercury in weak trine to Pluto! The aspect with tightest orbs is Earth+Moon conjunct Uranus!! with Pluto quite nearby. I noticed that you have less tight tighter conjunct between Earth and Moon than me. Only 00°05´00´´ while I have 00°04´. Huh, and Pluto :192: Chiron is tight! if you want to consider existence of Chiron at all?! So political rebel with devilish wounds?!

I share with you :154::164: and :154: :157:

... Obviously all this interpretation would be based on principles of geocentric charts and I have no idea how to approach Helio charts. I even saw Helio charts without aspects ("show no aspects" option) and the planets in signs and alignment were only subject to interpretation.
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November 21, 2019 at 06:55
(Pisces) TimeSciences » MarvinReal
Thanks for your analysis! What references (books/online sites)do you recommend for interpretation and weighting of these? Does the Earth + Moon in tight opposite Mars with increased energy flowing through Earth as you cited apply to physical health, mind or both? (Yes, I can ´take a beating´ with crazy schedules and ´keep on ticking!´)
November 21, 2019 at 07:03
(Taurus) Morena_Lu
In this chart I have :152: in :178:, :154: in :180:
Nothing is the same, i would like to know how to read it..
Interesting topic, thanx!
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November 21, 2019 at 07:08
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As I said that talk is my own imagination and can be completely wrong or right. Unfortunately, I am mostly right, even if I predict future outcomes of my own endeavours or relationships. Should start betting, haha.
November 21, 2019 at 07:11
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » Morena_Lu
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There is no shortcut. Someone has to study and read it through and then enlighten others. Go for it, Morena.Lu :1:
November 21, 2019 at 07:13
(Pisces) TimeSciences » MarvinReal
Casinos are 24/7 with plenty of opportunities! :37:
November 21, 2019 at 07:14
(Taurus) Morena_Lu » MarvinReal
I just thought maybe you have more experience, but of course I will do it myself, I like it that way. :)
November 21, 2019 at 07:22
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » Morena_Lu
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The most prominent is :156: :164: :153: like in my chart too. :154: :199:. In your chart all planets are selected, no one dominated.
November 21, 2019 at 07:52
(Taurus) Morena_Lu » MarvinReal
Thanks Marvin! :37:
November 22, 2019 at 05:52
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » IIyyaarr13
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I expected much better post from you than this crap.
November 22, 2019 at 17:26
(Taurus) IIyyaarr13 » MarvinReal
My computer teacher is my 83 year-old blind mother.
The Helio E ntric or heliocentric subject could have been introduced with six simpler discussions and two science articles so we could get used to what you are trying to introduce. The Internet resources are only as valuable as the hard copy they draw from!
November 22, 2019 at 18:49
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » IIyyaarr13
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This topic is intended rather as invitation to start a discussion about heliocentric charts. If it confuse someone, I can change a title.

I tried to test helio ex centric on the Velvet Revolution 1989, and found only ´some significance´ in helio {geo was super exact}. A foundation of The Beatles {several possible dates between 1957 and 1960} also nothing interesting in helio charts, which would prove that few years later, 1966, they will be ´more famous than Jesus´. Read that article on Wikipedia to understand context of such claim.

This is your chart. :15:
Say how it resonates with you.
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November 23, 2019 at 00:51
(Taurus) IIyyaarr13 » MarvinReal
Only two in Cardinality like my geocentric chart! Liberal and Conservative when the world asks for proactive "can-do" men. I have tried to memorize my helio-view knowing that it can´t be ignored!
Without houses the first thing that comes to mind are the cheesy pulp magazines with humble little charts based on scant information.
The Radio Astrologer I followed very carefully would slow down and breath very slowly when investigating heliocentric charts because it adds a whole dimension.
Very few other people would have :153: semi- :198: :155: at two minutes of arc orb on the day I was born because :153: is always fast in a heliocentric chart!
:153: biquintile :153:, :199: quintile Earth; I hope they do something about :178: upper :194: Aquarius!
November 23, 2019 at 01:09
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » MarvinReal
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How do we make this chart?
November 23, 2019 at 01:13
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » goldenlion32
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I don´t know if you´re aware of this site. But there are a few books. There´s two others, but I think it might be the same book. I´m reading some others at the moment on there.

https://archive.org/details/…
November 23, 2019 at 02:59
(Taurus) IIyyaarr13 » goldenlion32
The ninth in the list of nine blue addresses at the top of the scroll!
November 23, 2019 at 03:11
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » IIyyaarr13
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Oh..that looks like an ancient chinese secret I didn´t need to see. :61: :61:
November 23, 2019 at 18:56
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The helio.
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November 23, 2019 at 20:50
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » goldenlion32
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Yeah, in fact I can see you there :3:

What do you think about helio-yourself?
November 23, 2019 at 21:21
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Ah…it just seems to point out the Aries in Chiron (Wounded Warrior) on the theme of the 1st house. Which I mentioned before I come from a long line of masculine Military Warriors in the generations.
The 9th house Aries in my normal chart which is my healing profession of the mental process, thoughts, and emotions. Mental disorders, with the (Cancer Pluto Generation) Who were the wives of soldiers or soldiers themselves in the WWII.
Then you have the Libra Pluto and Uranus in Libra generation masculine who were my friends, as well as men I dated. Some of them soldiers themselves or Christian/Catholic or other astrology, different spiritual back grounds.
Jupiter in Scorpio (Masculine) in the 8th usually those Ministers, Spiritual Teachers, or others who give donations, help along the way with knowledge, wisdom, insight, my work as nurse aide with death & dying, dark night of the soul, grief, depression, anxiety, and post traumatic stress.
Neptune in Sagittarius 0 degrees was probably in 2016 when I graduated so to speak as the feminine in the Uranus in Aries opposition Uranus in Libra and stepped into my full power as the feminine. Since it was Saturn in Sagittarius. Where it is after a lot of healing of self and seeing through the life lessons with the masculine.
Pisces in Mercury obviously opening up my mouth and speaking on what I listed above since this is what Pisces means in Hebrew. Also the mental process again, the brain, neurology, dementia, alzheimers, and other brain injuries, addictions, alcohoslism.
Life themes. Just blatantly there.
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