Astrology proves there is a God

September 14, 2023 at 01:29 (UT/GMT)
(Scorpio) IceSíckle
Astrology proves there is a God
There is simply no denying how orderly, majestic, and meaningful the Zodiac above influences human life on Earth below. There is such a synchronicity to Astrology that makes my :176: :152: smile and I find it laughable to think all of this wonder and energy reflected onto us is an accident or there is definitely a creative quality to all of this. No human invented Astrology but rather it was discovered as we progressed spirituality and become attuned to the stars above. Now Astrology like all things can be used for good or evil but the design itself is still divine.

No matter what your religion or lack there of I think Astrology ultimately points that there is true purpose to this life given by our Creator and that my life and your life is very special.

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September 14, 2023 at 01:37
(Virgo) Aren Levi
yes :37:
September 14, 2023 at 01:55
(Aries) ram_goat
"Many atheists are very intelligent. It is not intelligence, or a lack thereof, that leads a person to reject belief in God. It is a lack of righteousness that leads a person to reject belief in God. Many people do not object to the idea of a Creator, as long as that Creator minds His own business and leaves them alone. What people reject is the idea of a Creator who demands morality from His creation. Rather than struggle against a guilty conscience, some people reject the idea of God altogether. Psalm 14:1 calls this type of person a “fool.”

Psalm 14:1 says that denying God’s existence is commonly based on a desire to lead a wicked life. Several prominent atheists have admitted the truth of this. Some, such as author Aldous Huxley, have openly admitted that a desire to avoid moral restraints was a motivation for their disbelief:

“I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; and consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics. He is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do. For myself, as no doubt for most of my friends, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom. The supporters of this system claimed that it embodied the meaning - the Christian meaning, they insisted - of the world. There was one admirably simple method of confuting these people and justifying ourselves in our erotic revolt: we would deny that the world had any meaning whatever.” ― Aldous Huxley, Ends and Means

Belief in a divine Being is accompanied by a sense of accountability to that Being. So, to escape the condemnation of conscience, which itself was created by God, some simply deny the existence of God. They tell themselves, “There is no overseer of the world. There is no Judgment Day. I can live as I please.” The moral pull of the conscience is thus more easily ignored.

Trying to convince oneself there is no God is unwise. The point of “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’” is that it is an impious, sinful heart that will deny God. The atheist’s denial flies in the face of much evidence to the contrary, including his own conscience and the universe he lives in.

A lack of evidence of God’s existence is not the true reason atheists reject a belief in God. Their rejection is due to a desire to live free of the moral constraints God requires and to escape the guilt that accompanies the violation of those constraints."
September 14, 2023 at 02:15
(Aries) ram_goat
I wish more poor troubled souls in this world would use the tools available to actually better themselves and improve themselves, rather than misuse them to justify their own egos and choices- usually after those choices have gone badly for them in some way.
September 14, 2023 at 02:28
(Aries) ram_goat » ram_goat
St. John of the Cross, "The Living Flame of Love", Stanza 2 paragraph 13, 14:

"Since the flesh bridles the spirit, when the goods of the spirit are communicated also to the flesh, the flesh pulls the reins, pulls back at the mouth of this swift horse of the spirit, and restrains its wild impetuosity; for if the spirit makes use of its power the reins will break. Yet until the reins are broken the flesh does not fail to oppress the spirit´s freedom, as the Wise Man asserts: The corruptible body is a load on the soul, and the earthly dwelling oppresses the spiritual mind which of itself comprehends many things [Wis. 9:15].

I say this in order to make it clear that the one who would go to God relying on natural ability and reasoning will not be very spiritual. There are some who think that by pure force and the activity of the senses, which of itself is lowly and no more than natural, they can reach the strength and height of the supernatural spirit. One does not attain to this peak without surpassing and leaving aside the activity of the senses.."
September 14, 2023 at 02:32
(Aries) ram_goat » ram_goat
Mostly, people´s problems are problems of perception and problems of comprehension.

The messages are there for all to see and understand, equally. Just as the sun rises in the morning for the benefit of all people, even the ones who choose to stay indoors all day.

As for order in nature or anything else "proving" anything.. well the other side of that argument is that it´s just turtles, all the way down.. Hard to prove, hard to refute.

But if you work hard to know yourself, sooner or later you will come to understand what is the real truth in this world and in this life. Not everyone will get there, in their own minds and their own understanding. Most people remain moral and intellectual children all their lives.
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September 14, 2023 at 02:57
(Scorpio) IceSíckle » ram_goat
Very wonderfully said ram. Just awesome. I think the idea of God being sovereign over all creation is something alot of people´s minds cannot grasp because they don´t ´see´ God with their eyes..really? Are they that limited by such a physical only lens they cannot see the majesty of creation in all the complexity of trees, human design, snowflakes, no one looks at a building and think it wasn´t created. Many people live in the flesh and starve their spirit so they cannot open their minds to the blessings of the spirit in everyday life that is noticeable like the orchestra of birds singing, children playing gleefully, the radiance of the Sun, Moon and stars..just wow I can´t appreciate enough of this world. And it´s true that atheists are intelligent people but of course the main issue lies in their hearts which doesn´t want to take accountability for their actions and hide in the shadows to flee from the light. Our universe isn´t even perceived correctly in many people´s minds but instead indoctrination since kindergarten thinks we are spinning on a ball hurling through a godless, meaningless existence that is chaotic and uncertain. This creates a state of fear and separation from the divine reality we find ourselves in. It´s amazing how much richer, how much colorful, how much enjoyable life is when you open the door to God..I can only wish every human being can experience the spiritual bliss our Creator desires us to have ✨✨✨
September 14, 2023 at 02:58
(Aquarius) Waybread
Astrology does not prove the existence of God-- at least not in a way that Christians, Muslims, and Jews portray Him. Each of these monotheistic religions has their own sectarian beliefs, which are not universal.

Moreover, astrological predictions often don´t work at all. In fact, Isaiah 47-13 warns against the ineffectual nature of astrology.

The catechism of the Catholic church forbids astrology, on the grounds that it is liable to turn people away from the sole allegiance to God to solve their problems. Item 2116)

Astrology was founded in ancient Mesopotamia by polythesistic societies: Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, and Persians. From them, it spread to India, which developed its own form (Vedic, jyotish) of astrology.

There is a scholarly history of astrology. Astrology´s rudiments were developed by the Sumerians, and it expanded among the Babylonians. But to these cultures, the planets were gods-- or the omens of gods. This is partly why the Old Testament was so opposed to astrology, because it could turn people away from worshipping the Israelite God in favor of Mesopotamian gods like Marduk (Jupiter) or Nabu (Mercury.)

Mars rules warfare and drought-- not because ancient star-gazers observed a correlation, but because being fiery (or hot and dry) was consistent with the nature of the Mesopotamian god Nergal, of our planet Mars.

When astrology migrated to ancient Greece ca. 300 BCE, the Greeks simply applied their gods´ names to their Babylonian counterparts.

On a personal note, I believe in God, though not in a traditionally sectarian way. Astrology is my passion, but I truly recognize its limits. So many examples, like all of the mundane astrologers who failed to predict catastrophic world events like WW2.
September 14, 2023 at 03:18
(Scorpio) IceSíckle » Waybread
Ohhh so you believe in a God you don´t owe any responsibility to so you replace that God with a God who just leaves you alone and let´s you get away with anything your little heart desires ? What a joke

First of all the reason you reject a monotheistic God is simply because you don´t wanna owe Him any allegiance and give him the solely due veneration for the creation of everything you have in life. You want a passive God who doesn´t serve judgement when you betray his creation and laws.

Second of all, I´m not Catholic but the issue on Astrology as a sin is a bit more complicated than I thought. For example I don´t use Astrology for predictive purposes or using it as a self help guide. I am literally trying to learn and grow in the divinity that lies within it and foster understanding and appreciation for the world around me.

Third of all, That bogus story doesn´t hold any weight you take the account of the book of Enoch established that Astrology was actually taught to humans by Angels (Enoch lived in time well before Mesopotamian culture) who eventually used it for malicious purposes and Astrology became distorted in a way. Enoch is attributed to being one who personally saw the movement of the Sun, Moon and stars in precise order and was given a divine revelation about the mysteries of some of the heavens above. This knowledge was passed down from Enoch to his family and generations that came afterwards where it eventually became integrated into Mesopotamian culture as well as Babylonian and Greek culture. Regardless of the names of Mars, Venus, Mercury and so on these aren´t actually gods but instead stars that are subservient to God´s will just like you and me are.

I am so over your attempts to undermine God in all your posts and place critiques on the monotheistic God of the Bible when in his mercy spared many people not because they deserved it but because God is merciful. So yes Astrology does prove God is real regardless of how an Astrologer fails to predict something. They are fallible like all of us. But the correlation between God and a created order is evidenced by how enriching our personality traits are reflected in our placements as well as the motion of the stars and luminaries in seen. Please give God the credit He is due alone 🙏
September 14, 2023 at 03:19
(Aquarius) Waybread » ram_goat
Please see my thread, "for ethical skeptics."…

There are all kinds of reasons for skeptics to be ethical people, and all kinds of reasons why Christians self-justify ignoring Jesus´s radical code of ethics.

If people are ethical only because they fear divine punishment, that´s not exactly a rational, free choice.

Aldous Huxley spoke for himself, but I think you´re deeply mistaken about most atheists today. I strongly recommend that you get to know some of them, and speak to them.

I can´t speak for atheists myself, but the ones I know personally do not lead "wicked lives"-- or want to. They are normal, kindly-- and rational-- people who just cannot make themselves believe all of the fantastical narratives insisted upon by of the majority of the world´s religions. My husband is an atheist, and a totally straight-arrow one, at that.

Take a look, for example, at the specific beliefs demanded in the Nicene and Apostle´s creeds.

Please also look up Buddhist beliefs about God. This is a religion of about 470 million people.

I am one of these odd people who would study astrology even if it were conclusively proven to be bogus. I study religion out of a strong fascination with comparative religion-- not because I fear I´m going to hell if I misstep in adherence to Articles of Faith.
September 14, 2023 at 03:20
(Aries) ram_goat » IceSíckle
The Living Flame of Love was written in 1585..

Compare to some of the self-help pap written in the last 30 years..

Thomistic Psychology, I think would be helpful for many troubled souls too, those
who wish to be diagnosed but not labelled. Of course, it has it´s limits too, just
as Freudian psychology does. The usefulness stops at exactly the point where any physical/medical condition begins.

"Aquinas is sometimes called the angelic doctor because he wrote so much on the nature of angels. He wrote far more, however, about human beings. With him as our guide, we can set off on the path of rediscovery. We will attempt to discover human nature by examining what human beings do. From human activity, we come to understand human powers or capacities, and by understanding our powers we come to understand the nature that underlines them"

You can learn a lot too, by listening to the insights of exorcists, as well. Chad Ripperger is a good one. He´s got a lot of interviews and talks on YT.

You can skip the "paranormal" or secular, non-religious exorcists. Those are a waste of time. Not grounded in anything but their own ideas. Same problem atheists have. Same blind spots in their vision.

September 14, 2023 at 03:21
(Aries) ram_goat » IceSíckle
Are they that limited by such a physical only lens..

Yes, they are. And Man is a very mixed up creature...
September 14, 2023 at 03:25
(Aries) ram_goat » Waybread
So many examples, like all of the mundane astrologers who failed to predict catastrophic world events like WW2.

Or Hillary vs. Trump in 2016...
September 14, 2023 at 03:32
(Aquarius) Waybread » ram_goat
ram_goat, I just want to point out how your St. John of the Cross quote (and apparent personal belief) is based upon an ancient model of mind-body dualism. Or spirit-body dualism. The body is seen as the enemy. (Found also in the NT letters of St. Paul.)

I find this sort of dualism to be neither necessary or helpful.

These aren´t stand-alone beliefs, but come with all kinds of social and cultural baggage, notably man-is-to-mind (or spirit) as woman-is-to-body; which was a big justification for women´s oppression in past centuries.

If you can find a copy of this book-length prose poem, I strongly recommend it: Susan Griffin, _Woman and Nature: The Roaring Inside Her_.

Astrologically, the air and fire signs were traditionally designated as male, in representing the intellect and initiative; whereas earth (material) and water (emotional) signs were traditionally female.

Ask a neuroscientist about the old mind-body dualism model, as see what s/he says about it.
September 14, 2023 at 03:54
(Aries) ram_goat » Waybread
Ask a neuroscientist about the old mind-body dualism model, as see what s/he says about it.

I am sure that just as in all other domains of "science", that "neuroscientists" are as divided among themselves in their opinions as the ancient thinkers were about all these same issues. It´s human nature for opinions to differ among individuals.

Back to what I said about problems of perception & comprehension..

These aren´t stand-alone beliefs, but come with all kinds of social and cultural baggage, notably man-is-to-mind (or spirit) as woman-is-to-body; which was a big justification for women´s oppression in past centuries.

Yes but we live in the 21st century.. you and I. Not in some other century.

Water is essential for life, but you can also drown yourself in the bathtub, or even a bucket if you wished to.

It is the dose that makes the poison, for most things (even poisons!)- not the substance itself.

Any neuroscientist would agree.

Fanatics have always existed. It´s a basic human "type". Perennial as the grass.


September 14, 2023 at 04:11
(Aquarius) Waybread » IceSíckle
IceSickel, with respect, you seem to have no idea of the kind of God I believe in. So wouldn´t it be better for you simply to ask me what I believe, rather than assuming something that isn´t true?

I prefer to think you are mistaken, vs. deliberately falsifying my beliefs. Which are:

One concept from the NT that might serve as a starting point, is James 4:8. "Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you."

Another opening concept is actually in Genesis 1: it depicts a Creator who works in darkness and chaos, and is essentially unknowable (Job, Isaiah 55: 8-9.) There is a comparable rabbinical saying: "If we could truly understand Him, could He really be God?"

Do you believe that God is omnipresent?

I take as another starting point that the anthropomorphic God of the Bible was an essential concept to ancient people surrounded by polytheistic neighbors, who had few other ways to understand divinity. Today I understand those anthropomorphic concepts of God to be more metaphorical than literal.

The Creator of the Universe cannot possibly be limited by our anthropomorphic understandings.

Now for some corollaries.

An omnipresent God is the matrix in which existence occurs. Metaphorically in the Bible this matrix is termed God´s word, or God´s breath. You might think of this matrix as the air within and around you, but imbued with divine consciousness or spirit.

Other religious traditions have similar concepts called chi or qi, mana, or prana. We could also think of it as the animating force of the cosmos.

When we truly get that all of Creation is imbued with this matrix and has no existence apart from it, we can mentally and emotionally draw near to it and be a part of it, as James recommended. Or we can withdraw from it and exist in a state of alienation.

In fact a problem of the monotheistic religions is that they postulate God and humanity as so very far apart, with reconciliation possible only through the ministration of the clergy.

I try very hard to live an ethical life. But this isn´t because of a religious sect dangling the carrot of heaven before my eyes or flogging me with the threat of hell. I try to be ethical because my life and other people´s lives work better with a shared sense of ethics.

I mean, how exactly do you imagine I try to live an immoral life, for Pete´s sake?

I haven´t ever tried to "undermine God," IceSickel. In my belief system, a mere mortal couldn´t possibly undermine the Master of the Universe. I don´t subscribe to most denominations of Christianity. But surely you accept that religious belief comes in various forms, and that individual atheists and skeptics can and do live moral lives that are blessings to other people.

I think you´re right about the religious warnings against predictive astrology. But this isn´t the same as astrology for personality analysis.

I haven´t read Enoch for some time. I will try to do so over the weekend.

But astrology isn´t exactly about a "created order." You could believe this without reading horoscopes for people.

Meanwhile, Matthew 7:1-3.

Psalm 19.
September 14, 2023 at 04:19
(Aquarius) Waybread » ram_goat
On predictive failures-- there was a massive discussion about the 2016 US presidential election on the (now closed) Astrodienst forum. Astrologers tend to predict the candidate they personally favor, with most "voting" for Clinton, using transits and progressions.

The one member who correctly predicted a Trump win was a wonderful (now deceased) mathematical astrologer named Ed Falis. He used primary directions.
September 14, 2023 at 04:31
cubic » Waybread
"Astrologers tend to predict the candidate they personally favor, with most ´voting´ for Clinton, using transits and progressions."

The election showed that most astrologers are prejudiced, shameless lefties who embraced the anti-Trump hysteria full force. The vast majority went for Clinton , wishing for that result to be true, and were wrong, and not only did not reflect on it, but just straight deleted blog publications, YouTube videos, etc., with their wrong predictions, as if it never happened. Bunch of hacks...

I gotta give it to Chris Brennan for doing the ´honourable´ thing and continuing the leftie propaganda month after month ever since the 2016 elections... At some point, even his co-hosts had to start calling him out / correcting him... but our residential alien rages on...

Regardless of the obvious marriage of mainstream (and not only) astrology and modern leftie politics, still the chance of getting it right is 50/50 since there are only 2 candidates to choose from.

Because of that, whatever technique anyone used and seemingly got it right, still doesn´t prove it being correct. You need something like 5-6-7 correct results in a row before we can talk... Yeah, it´s a high bar, but otherwise we´re possibly wasting our time.
September 14, 2023 at 04:32
(Aries) ram_goat » cubic
and not only did not reflect on it, but just straight deleted blog publications, youtube videos etc with their wrong predictions, as if it never happened. Bunch of hacks...

haha yes, ain´t it cute?
September 14, 2023 at 04:54
(Scorpio) IceSíckle » Waybread
I know it´s a passive God that doesn´t really care about humans taking accountability for their actions but tell me then what this God you believe in is like? You don´t believe in a literal Heaven or Hell so this God doesn´t declare judgement right? Do they care about humanity? Do they have moral guidelines for humans to live by? What is the ultimate goal of life? Do they love? And also what is your foundation for morality if you are an ethical person and I don´t wanna hear any arbitrary "I feel it produces positivity or love" or "society dictates the morals we live by" all of that is meaningless drivel to me because it´s subjective..I´m looking for an objective standard your God has decreed and how can we know it? If you don´t have one well your ethics and morals are rather moot aren´t they? Because someone else can just do as they wilt right?

God is knowable accoeidng to Scripture..yes all his ways and thoughts can´t be discerned but his relational attitude and behavior toward humans is well documented in the Bible. If God was unknowable then we couldn´t communicate to God through prayer and his characteristics are hidden but they are revealed in Scripture. I know you take a metaphorical approach of the Bible but I can claim my God is knowable through his revelation and prophecies that been revealed.

I´m not even trying to make this thread about Christianity I just am talking about God in a Creator sense but you brought up monotheism so I just responded accordingly.

Hell is a place that some people truly desire..yes you don´t believe me but Hell is the absence of God and if you don´t want to live with Him then this is the perfect place for you to be because God isn´t gonna force you to be with Him in Heaven. He gives you a choice. And following Christ isn´t about fear it´s about a genuine heartfelt and spiritual connection that we follow him out of love and wanting to seek unity with the divine. God should be feared in some ways as he is all-powerful....I mean you can´t even imagine that He could wipe out everything right now if he chooses to but in His mercy he gives us a chance a connection with Him.

Also the thing about denominations you bring up. It doesn´t cause a problem within Christianity. Think of Christianity like a mansion and the different denominations are like bedrooms in the mansion with much richness and color to each and every one yet we are all under the same roof.

I don´t buy into the matrix idea at all...infact it isn´t even coherent to me. It makes life seem like a simulation rather than a real enjoyable thing.

Getting back to Astrology...I fail to see how one can believe in Astrology yet not find that as evidence of God? The stars are very much interconnected to our own energy and we reflect their powers that God has imbued them with. I´m sure you have interacted with users on here and shared Astrology see a design element to this life dont you?

I don´t wanna get into Christianity too much in this thread but I would be happen to discuss it in another thread.. (I heard Aren blocked you..) but a new one can emerge and we can discuss but Im trying to cast light in this thread about a Creator Being who put Astrology into motion and true value that we have being connected to these stars and divine energy.

You should read Enoch it´s a fascinating book.
September 14, 2023 at 05:15
(Aquarius) Waybread » ram_goat
Thanks for an interesting discussion. Just a bit on neuroscience vs. mind-body dualism.

I don´t see religion and science as diametrically opposed. Science, as the conduct of disciplines like physics and chemistry, has to be distinguished from "scientism," the untenable belief that science is the only source of valid knowledge. I´ve known religious scientists, and was married to one for 20 years.

But not to put Descartes before the horse....

If we ask where the mind resides, most people would say that it is in the brain. So right away we´re into a body part. An awful lot of what people think, is obviously pretty reflexive (hungry, warm, sleepy, &c. ) A lot of what we think has to do with stored experiences that generate feelings of happiness, fear, anger, &c . Neuroscientists can tell us the parts of the brain that control mental functions such as language and math.

It turns out that the executive function, or ability to think through the consequences of one´s actions, resides in the frontal lobes´ cerebral cortex. This part of the brain doesn´t fully develop in young people till about age 20 to 25.

Neural synapses have a lot to do with memory.

So this isn´t to say that "mind" doesn´t exist apart from the body, but it is to say that the more neuroscientists learn about brain function, the less the existence of a separate discrete mind has explanatory power for human behavior.

Regarding astrologers tending to be politically liberal, this raises another but relevant question about the extent to which astrology can be value-free or culture-free. We can only ever know about those majestic heavens through our cultural lenses, and the lenses of astrologers whose works we read or hear.

As Psalm 19 put it, the heavens declare the glory of God. But exactly how they do that is a cultural construct.
September 14, 2023 at 05:55
(Aquarius) Waybread » IceSíckle
IceSickel, thanks for asking about what I think, vs. telling me what you think I think.

I´m not claiming that I´m absolutely correct. I´m just giving you my understanding.

If we can get away from the concept of the anthropomorphic God for a moment, let´s return to my concept of God as the matrix of Divine Consciousness across the cosmos in which all existence occurs.

What is it that surrounds you and is within you and everything around you? Think of it like air or even empty space-- but imbued with Divine Consciousness.

James 4 wrote in the gendered language of his day when he said, "Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you." By living an ethnical life, you can become more conscious of living within Divine Consciousness. By letting go of daily life´s annoyances, anxieties, and upsets, one can become more attuned to living within Divine Consciousness.

So it´s not about whether an anthropomorphic God (be it the kindly Father or the just King) does or does not care about you. It´s that attuning oneself to this matrix of spirit releases a lot of the negatives that people expect God to care about in some fashion.

If you just let go of the mind´s preoccupations, see if you can feel The Presence.

Moral guidelines are surprisingly consistent across religious faiths. Don´t steal. Don´t hurt anybody. Or to put it in secular terms, what works and what doesn´t work for human interactions? What we give out is so often what we get back from other people. Societies also develop legal systems that give parameters for acceptable behavior.

But basically, does a given action make this matrix of divine Consciousness closer to you and through you, or does it push it away and make it hard to experience?

If you feel you have a personal relationship with a knowable anthropomorphic God, that´s great. I´m not saying you should change it. I´m just giving you my concept. We don´t have to believe the same thing in the same way.

Certainly religions to point to ineffable mysteries beyond human comprehension. The book of Job does as much.

I see "hell on earth" in the here and now, with all kinds of bad things that happen to people. I don´t see it as a separate place for evil people after death.

To me, reincarnation makes a certain amount of sense. A bad person in this life has a chance to live a better life in the next incarnation, or to experience life as a victim of his particular type of crime.

I´m happy to see different denominations as the mansion with many rooms. I wish more religious people did, as well.

I don´t see astrology as a belief in the sense that it could require an oath of allegiance. I think astrologers should maintain a healthy skepticism about its truth claims.

I view chart-reading for people as a kind of service. A 6th house thing, perhaps.

With all good wishes, W.
September 14, 2023 at 06:31
(Scorpio) IceSíckle » Waybread
I feel God as a personal being because we humans are image bearers of God so it´s a deeper connection to me. I also believe in a literal Heaven and Hell but people choose to go there rather than God choosing for them. Atleast now I understand what your God looks like

Thank you for your perspective ✨🙏✨
September 14, 2023 at 07:05
(Libra) yourstruly27 » IceSíckle
your wasting your time talking to these people, they will never know God.

tho one day they will both be looking stupid.
their problem is they have no faith, even with proofs historically and miraculous, and as well as signs even today, they chalk it all up to coincidence or just plain and pure non belief and even deceive themselves with iintellect and try to deceive others in order to justify their own non belief, even though the soul tells them otherwise, these are people not in touch witth their own soul, these are the people who cannot know God, these are the scoffers and deniers, these are those destined to perish. they do not want to become slaves to God turning away from a life of sin, theyd rather be slaves to all things sinful and manmade. Paul is the greatest of Apostles, whatever path to God you are looking for, they all must start with Christ, anything outside of Christ will die, that is the truth. if you want life after death you must turn to Christ and you must become Gods Body, otherwise you will die as a human and never reach the God Form. if you genuienly do not care about your soul then just ignore this and think this guy is crazy, otherwise, youd better start doing your research, theres literally nothing better for you to do. ive had enough of turning on the sirens and telling blind people to jump ship into shallow water, drinkable water, these people are just obsessed with death.

anyways anyone into God and on that journey, i reccommend you start reading the Bible, otherwise you will miss the train because you did not seek to please God, learn his words and you will know how to please him, if thats what you want, if you just want the free promise then take that, fair enough tho, its clear you are a natural apostle, i recommend you listen to debates between Christian Evangelists and Muslim Evangelists to get you started and to build your faith, preferably David Lynn since, the rain stops as hes out there preaching, and lastly i recommend you read Revelation since we are in that time period right now and have been ever since Jesus offered himself as a sacrifice so that we will be sinless tthrough him.

ill warn you, dont seek to please these people, they cannot be pleased, they are bottomless pits. do not chip away and condemn yourself with words against God simply to try and find common ground. and also dont try to deny it. Good Luck on this fruitless site. the faithless are vessels for demons.
September 14, 2023 at 10:24
(Taurus) Iceblu333 » yourstruly27
...Oh God... :334:

You´re back...


Why did you delete your Previous Forum!!! :47:

I wasn´t done with my Questions!!! :47: :47: :47: :153: :160: :122:
September 14, 2023 at 10:30
(Taurus) Iceblu333 » Waybread
Wow, You´re back too!!! :75:


I´m curious... Is God a Woman? A Man? Or a Trans Baby whos Genitals need to be Mutilated?

I´ve got Questions... Lots and Lots of Questions!!! :47:

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