Am I cut out for being self employed? - Discussions, questions

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I have not looked at Saturn in 12th much, you have a very supportive Mars on 10th house cusp MC to help you achieve things, your own business is an achievement.

Saturn in 12th though is a rough spot..

See you not being able to manage people is most likely Saturn in your 12th, in the opposite of a great organizer, the 6th.

When you open a business you have to go in to it with the will to die for it, sound extremist, it is just will power and determination coupled with discipline.

It seems Saturn in 12th is unhappy although it makes nice aspects, it´s house is detrimental.

Me and you have Saturn in opposite houses

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I don´t see Mars in Cancer as a Mars sign who will die for a business but a shrewd business person, definitely.

fishscales You have Mars in Cancer, conjunct the midheaven, so it´s not surprising you had the drive (Mars) to open your own "homegrown" business (Cancer.)

Do you have a business partner? The moon, ruler of your 10th house, is in the 7th house of partnerships, and the ruler of your 7th house, Mars, is conjunct the MC, as already mentioned. The two planets are also in mutual reception. If you don´t have a business partner, perhaps you should acquire one? It seems like your career and partnerships are meant to go hand in hand. Perhaps a partnership could ease some of the difficulties you´re experiencing.

Sunnyshadow » Liquidized.Mind.LM3992 Yes, I agree that opening and operating a business is sheer willpower and discipline. That´s what has got me this far. But I´m now bored and stressed with it. Feel like the die for it is accurate too, and feel like I may be dying for it! And because of it. Lol, it sucks the life and energy out of you and leaves you feeling chewed up and spit out, at least for me. Just non-stop work and challenges. Today (and many other days) I dreamed about how it would feel to just clock in to work for someone else and let them deal with the stress, I could do my job, draw a check, and leave the majority of the stress behind. Only thing that keeps me going I think is the pay, which is pretty good. But the stress! Gah.. Taxes, payroll, employees, customers, phone calls, rent, insurance, bills, maintenance, orders, etc. etc. All falls on me. And if you get ahead a little, your employees resent you and ask for a raise or something. If you take a day off, employees think you´re loafing when in reality your trying to regain your sanity! I think DManos hit on something about needing a partner, pretty interesting observation he made in his post. And the Saturn in the 12th I agree is a big challenge for me. Once I (just recently) started reading about that placement, it all made sense in a aw shucks kind of way, ??

Sunnyshadow » fishscales Good observation, and one I havent really noticed. That makes sense. I´ve been thinking of finding someone I could train to manage it, or help me manage it. I´ve got a couple of really good employees. One is kind of like a partner, but I need more of a commitment out of her and I´m pretty sure she´s not capable of giving it. I have problems asserting authority because they usually take it the wrong way, so I have to act like a peer instead of a boss, which works good for keeping the relationships flowing smoothly, but kinda leaves me carrying the bulk of the weight and marginalizes my position in some way. Help is just so hard to find it´s like im happy just for them to show up and do what they do, and have to pay them probably better than I should. I keep thinking, just keep working and it´ll get better, but beginning to have my doubts. I think you´re right about the partner deal, but my pluto in 1st and mars conjunct midheaven creates friction for a lot of people. I´ve often felt like I have to do things on my own, and the only way I can get help is by paying higher than average prices for it.

Astro-Seek.com System message: Post has been written by user David Evans, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Any way to hire a manager?
That could alleviate your work load a whole lot.
Then you can focus on other things that you deserve to do.
Work hard play hard, gotta do both, or ya just go insane.

Sunnyshadow » David Evans Thanks man, that´s pretty pertinent advice. Very relatable. Ive got to the point where the business is really starting to gain traction, but instead of being able to ease off, I´m having to double down on work. May have to seriously start looking for a true partner to share the load. Probably a lot easier said than done. I fully agree with the going insane bit. I feel like it´s definitely affecting my mental health! ?

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I imagine!

Sunnyshadow » ShriSaiganeshE-jyotish Thank you kshantaram,

I will have to study what you wrote, because I have trouble understanding a lot of it due to my lack of knowledge. It sounds like you know your astrology, but I will have to study it further. Some bits and pieces I have some understanding of. Thank you for your detailed response.

Trevor77 something that stands out is your Aries Moon in the Bucket shape, this is very enterprising and shows your a natural leader to others,

your cancer midheaven is a soft spot, because cancer here projects you in a way that your tough on outside, but sensitive on inside

libra on your ascendent makes you a people person, with artistic qualities

your leo on 11th of groups, is an authoritive position in organisations, groups etc, a stellium in here and jupiter conjunct sun shows your very lucky and you grow when your leading others or socialising in general

venus in leo is creative with taste for the arts and loves banter and drama,

mercury in 10th is the businessman, as this shows many forms of communication, writing, and using intellect in career, and lots of learning, thinking in authoritive manner.

scorpio on 2nd cusp, passionate about posessions and making money, intense approach to money matters, uranus in here is making you wanna earn money more freely, in your own time without the worries.
uranus is the humaniatrian planet, so you would make a very good charity fundraiser

Saturn in the 12th house, is achieving through learning spirituality, and this could mean that you dont get enough time to yourself, a limitation in me time, which can be a weakness.

Lot of fortune in 9th house, is learning and travelling is a prospourous area, maybe because it helps you unwind and expand your thinking maybe

IIyyaarr13 It is a good chart with & in mutual reception.
Other folks are darkness and leaning.
My father and aunt were swapped as babies in Dothan, you couldn´t pay me to go to Alabama!
There are islands where no one has to get up at sunrise!

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"I opened a business 6 years ago and have actually been pretty successful at it. Sounds great, right? Well, not exactly. Most days I dread going in to work and look forward to being off. "

Interesting recepy you do have to be pretty successful in business. I will try it myself.

Sunnyshadow » Trevor77 Wow, nice answer. And 90% accurate I would say. Theres a few things that are a little off. I think being a leader is spending the first 20 years or so being resisted, lol. But I guess I do have a following, albeit a small one ..that gets paid for being there! Lol. I used to be a little more social, and still can be, but I think I have placements that make me kinda introverted unless at work, where it´s my job to be social. I never thought about scorpio in the 2nd like that, but I do have a rather large amount of possessions, (that I think every day of selling and hopping on my motorcycle and driving thousands of miles away. Kinda an escapist attitude I guess. I dunno. At the same time I suppose I am passionate about making money, why else would I have opened a business..that and being the boss of myself (highly independent) But always had the feeling theres a lot more to life than all this.

Anyway, great reply, thanks.

Edit : Also, what you said about cancer midheaven is pretty spot-on. I put off a dont f with me vibe, but am a big softie inside.

Sunnyshadow » IIyyaarr13 Thanks for the assurance, that makes me feel better. Maybe being in Alabama is the reason I want to travel far away!!! Lol, it is pretty ret ´neck ´round here.

An island would be awesome

Sunnyshadow » Starsky Oh yes, you should. Its amazing

Sunnyshadow » IIyyaarr13 What do you mean, "other people are darkness and leaning"? I dont really get that part.

Trevor77 » Sunnyshadow no probs, you should research the north node in 12th house, this is to do with your goal in this life, south node is previous lifetime

IIyyaarr13 » Sunnyshadow I could be wrong; Your Spring Equinox point 0 dg. could be stronger than your Rising; Some "famous people" days have a gang of Ascendantless charts and I can´t honestly say they would be more accurate with real Ascendants!

Sunnyshadow » IIyyaarr13 I´m not sure what you mean? My dc is like 3° aries. What´s the spring equinox point? And how does that relate to famous people? I am pretty well known in the community simply because I run a business that deals with the public. Maybe I am famous,... or infamous ?

goldenlion32 I would imagine the stress comes from the Saturn in Virgo, North Node Virgo, and Lilith in Virgo in the 12th house. Worry, Stress, Anxiety is self-created. Virgo’s are some of the greatest entrepreneurs, along with Jupiter and Sun, Venus in the 11th is good for receiving money from humanity.
Not sure what your business is, but it is the commandment of control. Allowing money to work for you instead of working for the money. Since your Saturn in Virgo, this would make you the supervisor or the business owner, so there is a lot of responsibility that comes with owning your own business.
It may be your not allowing others to work for you. Most top entrepreneurs outsource and having others do all the work for them.
Entrepreneurs starting out no they sacrifice a lot to begin with and the last to play, have fun, and eat.
Maybe an option to sell the business and find another one that you feel more passionate about. Entrepreneurs know how to pivot, be innovative, and creative. Rarely do they stick with one project all their lives. And probably why your Virgo wants to stay grounded and because it’s not a risk taker. It loves playing it safe, where your Jupiter in Leo, Sagittarius Sun, Venus in Sagittarius wants to be the risk taker and do things on the impulsive side, fast, and furious.
Uranus in Scorpio opposition Uranus in Taurus is that time when most people, say, I hate my job, and they can be the CEO of company making six figures. Really, it’s the time where you probably will start something new and leave the old behind. The Uranus Opposition Uranus is exactly where you go back to what you were passionate about when you were 18 and your parents and everyone stated, you were wasting your time. Natural and normal questions.
Uranus is probably going shake things up in your 2nd house and 8th house axis a lot so there will be a lot of twists and turns, growth, new education, and changing your life in new directions.
Moon in Aries in the 7th house, you’re a born leader, and might get impatient at times with the people you work with. This of course is understand not everyone works at a fast pace, perhaps not on demand, or being forced into doing working on your time frame.
Really employees usually feel intimidated by a business person like you, not that you don’t serve your function in society and get things done, it’s just that they have different personalities than you, so they often get stressed as well and filled with worries. So you have take into consideration your communications style, the way you speak to them, and how your react and how they communicate and react to your out of emotions and adapt, adjust, and problem shoot.

Sunnyshadow » goldenlion32 Wow, thank you for the thorough interpretation. That is really nice of you. Funny you started with the 12th house saturn/north node. I keep coming back to that in my chart. From what I´ve read it means I may have been a workaholic in my past life and in this life I have to learn how to let it all go and just "be". But with a tendency to go back to the workaholic tendencies. That´s where I´m at now. And I get these overwhelming urges to just drop it all and leave it all behind. It´s frustrating and stressful. Financially I´m better than ever, but spiritually just feel dead inside. Wish I could reignite some kind of passion in my life. It´s a confusing situation really. On the one hand I feel like I´d be crazy to just leave it and on the other I feel like I´d be crazy not too. Uugh! And I think you´re right. Must be my saturn virgo that wants to maintain the status quo. Funny thing is I´ve taken some risk before and had the time of my life. Wonder why I came back? Kinda followed in my father´s footsteps and a sense of duty or responsibility brought me back as well as a fear of the unknown I suppose. I havent thought of the Uranus opposite uranus thing, not sure what effect that will have other than what you wrote. I will be sure to try to figure that one out. I keep dreaming about foreign travels or at least long distance travels (12th house Saturn effect from what I´ve gathered) Dream of exploring this world. My current reality keeps me tightly bound to this one place though. I wouldn´t mind being bound to a place but this one is just so uneventful and uninspiring though. Pretty bland place really. Seems theres so much more to life than what I´m experiencing. And sometimes I feel like I´m about to fly off the handle. Maybe I should have, but I held on a little tighter, a little longer...

Sunnyshadow » goldenlion32 "Moon in Aries in the 7th house, you’re a born leader, and might get impatient at times with the people you work with. This of course is understand not everyone works at a fast pace, perhaps not on demand, or being forced into doing working on your time frame. 
Really employees usually feel intimidated by a business person like you, not that you don’t serve your function in society and get things done, it’s just that they have different personalities than you, so they often get stressed as well and filled with worries. So you have take into consideration your communications style, the way you speak to them, and how your react and how they communicate and react to your out of emotions and adapt, adjust, and problem shoot."

Never really thought of having moon in Aries as a leader type. Or is it more for being in 7th house? Maybe I just dont have enough understanding of that placement. One thing I read about having pluto opposite my moon is I am good at understanding others but have trouble understanding myself. That kinda clicked in me. One thing is for sure, I´m much more leader than follower. I have trouble understanding the follower mentality, which would be the people working for me for the most part. One of my employees is definitely more of a follower than the other. You´re probably more right than you know about how communication style is key. I´ve worked at it for years and still struggle. And everything i read about aries moon is accurate. I really move too fast sometimes, but it´s just natural to me. I try to learn from as much as I teach the people working with/for me. But I can be pretty one sided sometimes I know. Isnt that what the boss is for? Lol I guess my job is to inspire the people at work to do their best, sometimes easier said than done.

ShriSaiganeshE-jyotish Appreciate the ack, do share studied salient feedbacks.

It is simply planetary placements and their outcomes, traits-talents-health-luck etc etc and remedies, whether you agree as true-untrue and useful to learn about.


best wishes, kshantaram

Sunnyshadow » ShriSaiganeshE-jyotish Thank you,

At this point I want to be self employed building cabins in the woods ?

I think I´m having trouble mixing the desire to lead and be successful with the desire for solitude. I feel like I "can" be a good business person. Leading, managing, etc. But it´s very draining and doesnt feel right after years of trying. Somethings just not right. Its costing me my health and peace of mind. Financial gain hasnt really done me any favors. (I say this because it includes managing employees,doing tax forms, etc. which I dont like) It just creates more problems, more stress. I wouldn´t mind being a self employed person who doesnt have to deal with other people. Like a book writer or something. Any suggestions?

Sunnyshadow » Liquidized.Mind.LM3992 Funny, I think Liquidized Mind was on to something. He was talking about Saturn in my 12th house. At the time I didnt think much about it, but I think he may have been right. >>>

I have not looked at Saturn in 12th much, you have a very supportive Mars on 10th house cusp MC to help you achieve things, your own business is an achievement.

Saturn in 12th though is a rough spot..

See you not being able to manage people is most likely Saturn in your 12th, in the opposite of a great organizer, the 6th.

When you open a business you have to go in to it with the will to die for it, sound extremist, it is just will power and determination coupled with discipline.

It seems Saturn in 12th is unhappy although it makes nice aspects, it´s house is detrimental.

Sunnyshadow » ShriSaiganeshE-jyotish Something else I recently learned is my 7th house lord is in 10th house and my 10th house lord is in 7th house. Both placements create a person who feels married to their work. That shit is real! <<<Married>>> But i dont know if me and the work I´m doing now is gonna work out ?