16 personalities - Discussions, questions

Linda Harris I think first we would all have to agree that we have confidence in the MBTI tests...that they are valid.

But let´s assume they are accurate: reading your chart in depth will agree with any tests you take if you are honest. IF the test is valid.

You do NOT change according to any test you take...you are you...your chart will describe you best...if you want to ´shortcut´ who you are...well, I don´t recommend it...because I´m an astrologer and I don´t think it´s a waste of time to learn to read your own birth MAP.
Linda
PS: my MBTI said I am an Advocate. And yes, I am. But i didn´t need a test to tell me that. I live it. And that is what my chart says.
Linda

mostlyvoid_partiallystars This is a very interesting topic! Before I´ve started getting into astrology, I had already been exploring MBTI. While I don´t think you can easily understand which is a person´s archetype by the chart (I guess unless you are really really very good at reading patterns and even so I doubt), I have found some interesting common occurrences.

For example, my MBTI type is INFJ, and so this is the archetype I know best. I know several other INFJs and one is a Libra like me, while two other INFJs I know are Aquarius (these as sun placements). These are two placements I came to easily associate as being likely to be INFJ.

Another example, my sister is ENFJ, like you. One interesting aspect that is common among ENFJs is that they wear their emotions on their sleeves. While this is not true in a lot of other people, I associate her easy ´readability´ with her Aries rising and its quick temper.

There are a lot of other points I would like to mention because I´ve found such interesting common points between my own birth chart and my MBTI archetype, but I don´t want to write an essay here.

tl,dr:I do believe patterns and placements of our charts that describe us well can also be seen in our MBTI type. However, I think it would rather be too complex to do the reverse and try to identify an MBTI archetype through a birth chart.

Linda Harris » mostlyvoid_partiallystars To all who are reading this thread:
No test can describe us 100%.

We all have various impulses created by our physical body...and the MIND takes care of integrating the energy. In a way it´s a miracle that the many impulses and sometimes greatly conflicted energy is actually integrated so that we can function as intelligent beings.

So someone who may fall into a specific category in the test above, can morph or modify into something different...even if it´s only temporary....because of major large planetary transits.

We are MORE of one part of ourselves or another, depending upon the transits.

Each major transit supports or undermines this or that energy (planet) in our charts...(our psyches).

So trying to pigeonhole yourself based on this or any test is not going to work and the results will inevitably be flawed.

Linda

Rednan » Linda Harris I wouldnt say transits are the main variable here.

The autopiloting from a negative or positive feeling plays into it more
but it doesnt necessarily have to be linearly coherent with transits.

We feel like shit because our autopilot doesnt match our inner truth.
Or we can feel good because our autopilot is matching it without having
us to constantly redirect it, or consciously think about having to be ourselves.

That being said i agree people can be very dogmatic and simplistic,
when it sounds too complicated to have a straight up answer.

We dont accept it, we´re like, let me build my bubble and simplify it
bottom line is we aren´t truth addicts, far from it.

We´re convenience addicts

Bottom line i think MBTI can have patterns related to vedic or tropical.
I very much believe it requires intuition to figure out someones closest MBTI type and not some dogmatic practical go to map for it.


We just love yes or no answers more than seeking depth in truth

Linda Harris » Rednan We sure ARE "convenience" addicts.

But no convenience addict ever became a legitimate astrologer.

I´ve been saying this for decades: there is no shortcut to wisdom.
Linda

Graham Having now reached 74 years of age, I can confirm from experience that my "personality" is seen differently by strangers (Asc contacts), family (IC contacts), intimate others (Dsc contacts) and colleagues (MC contacts).

Strangers see me through a lens of Virgo; family through a lens of Sagittarius; intimates through a lens of Pisces and colleagues through a lens of Gemini ... despite the fact that only the anaretic degree of those signs are respectively in (and on the cusp of) the 1st, 4th, 7th and 10th houses.

IceSíckle » Graham I´m a younger Scorpio than you with much less life experience at 27, but I also am starting to be aware of just how differently I come across to certain people in reference to the angles of our chart. My MC is professional but sometimes aloof at work. I´m very fair and friendly to coworkers and treat them equally but I´m not really attached to them as I am with my family with my IC that feels very warm and comfortable in the confines of my tribe.

Graham » IceSíckle "At 27, I also am starting to be aware of just how differently I come across to certain people in reference to the angles of our chart."
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Recognising it early in life is a bonus ... since it enables you to "play to your strengths" when interacting with others via each of the chart angles.

Steve Guesshow » Linda Harris I agree... I am INTP, but years ago, at the time of my childhood and adolescence, I recognize myself as INFP. I´ve grown up, I think.

Linda Harris » Graham Graham,
Look at your chart...planets: AIR, WATER, FIRE, EARTH.....AIR, WATER, FIRE, EARTH.

AND with the opposition between Uranus and Mars, of course you are seen differently by different people...you must be very confusing to people...
Linda

Graham » Linda Harris "Graham,
Look at your chart...planets: AIR, WATER, FIRE, EARTH.....AIR, WATER, FIRE, EARTH.

AND with the opposition between Uranus and Mars, of course you are seen differently by different people...you must be very confusing to people...
Linda"
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Yes ... Cardinal 4 : Fixed 3 : Mutable 3 ..... Air 3 : Water 3 : Fire 2 : Earth 2

A "balanced" distribution that does indeed create confusion and misunderstandings.
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And then ... there is an out-of-bounds Moon, Mars, Uranus + an almost out-of-bounds Jupiter and Pluto.**


[** An Out of Bounds (OOB) planet’s declination exceeds 23 degrees 27 minutes either North or South of the equator. The more OOB planets a person has in their birth chart and the further the declination each planet is, the more confusing they become to others.]

Fatiy I´m enfj too

Lonerose99 » Graham Thanks for putting the angles like that Graham, makes sense! For me it would be strangers Aquarius, family Gemini, intimate others Leo, and colleagues Sagittarius.

Hylonome » Graham "Strangers see me through a lens of Virgo; family through a lens of Sagittarius; intimates through a lens of Pisces and colleagues through a lens of Gemini ... despite the fact that only the anaretic degree of those signs are respectively in (and on the cusp of) the 1st, 4th, 7th and 10th houses."
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This is very interesting... The other day I was reflecting if it´s correct to affirm that the ASC is the one that others perceive the most (what we usually read about it), because the MC is the higher part of the chart,... So why the ASC instead the MC?

When I analyse myself taking in mind your description, I´m not sure how people perceives me. I think I mix the four ones (Gemini, Sag, Aries, Libra) doesn´t matter if it´s family, friends, colleagues or strangers

Probably is a quality of the mutable signs (Gem-Sag in ASC-DESC), because I´d say that I adapt to others according to what they show me. So two people of the "same category" (family, friends, strangers...) can see me in a different way according to what THEY do. I have to feel very comfortable to show my true essence (that it can vary as well according to the day and humor of the moment!).

vyc7 INFP type A I think I forget

Graham » Hylonome "Why the ASC instead the MC?"
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The Asc is the door through which we (first) see the world - and the world sees us - at the time of birth. ... We (and the world) then adapt to each other, as the Sun moves through the sky from that point/time onwards.

Think back to (say) starting your first day at school (or in a new job). ... At first, you meet strangers who may have perceived you as talkative (Gemini Asc). As those strangers got to know you better, they become colleagues that might see someone whose comments "tell it like it is" (Aries MC). Later, the colleagues that become intimate contacts will probably see the high-minded philosophy upon which your comments are based (Sagittarius Dsc) and those contacts which eventually become "like family" will see only the Libra sunshine.

Hylonome » Graham Thanks for the explanation! Then I guess I´ll have to reflect on it because that´s not how I relate to people... I can jump into Sagittarius without knowing the other person... 😅