The Bible and Astrology

March 8, 2023 at 00:38 (UT/GMT)
(Gemini) FOWL
The Bible and Astrology
The Bible seemingly has a dichotomous and almost schitsophrenic relationship with Astrology. Seemingly....
The book is riddled with astrological symbolism, the Magi were clearly astrologers following "The Star" to the West... on and on... to me the stance of the Bible on astrology is clear as day however.... We see here, from Second Kings, Chapter 23, a clear admonishment....
"V.5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven."
But note, the admonishment here is towards those who worship the planets and luminaries as deities... (this is further complicated by how clearly Jehova is an avatar of Saturn, and Jesus a Solar Hero.... but I digress....) throughout the books it is clear that the wise men of God do watch the stars. The differentiation is blatant... aligning synchronously with the movements of the heavens, which were made by God to shine light upon us, is a separate issue from worshipping them as sovereign deities wherein we give ourselves over to their power, as oppoosed to using them as tools for attuning to God´s mastery of creation. It´s crystal clear to me... as it is in the very First chapter of Genesis....
"V.14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"

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March 8, 2023 at 01:35
(Libra) Opal E…

The Three Kings. The Belt of Orion. Followed a bright star, Sirius, to the horizon.

“three stars Mintaka, Anilam, and Alnitak in the belt of Orion”
March 8, 2023 at 02:09
(Gemini) FOWL » Opal E
The belt of Orion and Sirius always felt like an association attached after the fact, as the idea that a fixed star which was always there could herald the King of Kings seems... less than wise.... but who knows. I do see the association there with another solar deity.
March 8, 2023 at 02:24
(Gemini) FOWL » Opal E
Especially since the Bible never specifies how many there are, only states "wise men..." or "Magi" depending on the translation... and I´ve read that Magi is the far more accurate translation... obfuscated by the church for obvious reasons.
March 8, 2023 at 05:15
(Libra) Opal E » FOWL
Have you read any of the Gnostic writings?

They are similar, but different.

You are right, they don’t mention 3 wise men.

Do you use a concordance?

I used to live in Northern Ontario. I miss the wild blueberries and strawberries. They taste better.
March 8, 2023 at 05:19
(Gemini) FOWL » Opal E
I haven´t yet, but I will get to the gnostic texts! I´m having a hard time getting past reading anything other than pure astrology and star lore lately.
March 8, 2023 at 05:28
(Scorpio) IceSíckle
Bingo! I am a Christian and I´ve mentioned numerous times on these threads how Christianity is compatible with Astrology despite the sheer disdain many modern Christians have towards Astrology. I would probably be deemed a heretic in most churches today but I strongly believe this is from massive ignorance. I will agree there are many verses in the Bible that seem to be view Astrology in a sinful light but it has to be recognized that idolatry towards the Sun, Moon and Stars is actually the crux of the issue here as you mentioned. Creation worship is something that the Bible is strongly against rather than worshipping the Creator.

The Bible is filled to the brim with Zodiacal symbolism as well..12 Apostles, 12 tribes of Israel, 12 seasons.. ala and son on. The Magi are a clear indicator as to the significance of Astrology since the beginning (Why would God give the North star as a guiding light to the Magi if Astrology is condemned? Beats me too..)

Early Christians used Astrology with great CARE and used it to help them understand the celestial influences that govern our world. There are even Zodiacal wheels imprinted in ancient Israeli churches! We should recognize even though we are equal in our humanity, we are all very different in function, demeanor and any other attributes. Personally I think a beautiful outlook is recognizing that we all serve a purpose in this world and that we all are special and wonderfully made just as we are. Astrology just helps bridge the gap between Heaven and Earth and I think that´s something worthy to discover.
March 8, 2023 at 05:34
(Libra) Opal E » FOWL…

My favourite so far.

About a third of the way through it gets really really interesting. Astrologically.
March 8, 2023 at 05:36
(Gemini) FOWL » IceSíckle
Well said! Have you seen the Zodiac wheels of the Catholic Church middle Ages where they tried to replace the animals with saints?
March 8, 2023 at 05:36
(Libra) Opal E
Yeah, I get it about reading. Pretty much I read astrology, Mythology, ancient history, religious texts.

To me, they are all the same.
March 8, 2023 at 05:40
(Libra) Opal E » IceSíckle
Are you talking about idolizations, and the change in ages from The golden bull, to Aries the Ram? When he came down from the mountain and found the people idolizing what had been declared past?
March 8, 2023 at 05:51
(Scorpio) IceSíckle » FOWL
No I haven´t seen those Zodiac wheels in the Catholic Church! But now I have a rabbit hole to go down and explore this topic :1:

I think a larger part of the stigma with Astrology in Judeo/Christian circles is in larger part to the Catholic Church with many doctrines that weren´t presennt in the early Christian church´s (0-300 A.D) but that´s another issue...
March 8, 2023 at 05:52
(Scorpio) IceSíckle » Opal E
Yes exactly that. Great example Opal! A clear example of bowing down to idols and giving your power a way to materialism instead of giving glory to God.
March 8, 2023 at 06:38
(Gemini) FOWL » IceSíckle
Also straight up worshipping the Sun, the Moon, and the planets. There are branches of astrology that use remediations to limit the unwanted effects of planets at times, and call in the effects of planets at other times. Some of these ritual practices step into straight up worshipping the planets as deities. It is this level of astrology which is sacriligious Judeo-Christian practice.
March 8, 2023 at 09:40
(Taurus) Rosincvist » FOWL
When you click on "shape" the ten circles for each planet are spiritually positive!
Automatic writing in multiple circles is a sign of being right with `Spirit´
The late old testament book Malachi has a laying of a curse on the roof-top practice of staring at :78:s, it implied an anti-Arab sentiment so it really is wedged between testaments!
The "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychiatry" has been called `a bible´..........marking it up with Planet symbols would be less of a violation than putting hieroglyphs in Gideon´s Bible!
Repeated escapes to secular tomes usually has Westerners referring to the Bible because of so many denomination´s children´s room based on the Primacy of the Bible!
March 9, 2023 at 00:18
Linda Harris
WEll, the Bible warns us not to "put your faith in astrologers" or other people who use divination....

Faith implies religion. Of course astrology is not a religion...but of course when people in power are on the defensive they don´t want competition- nor could they tell the difference.

I think it´ s because that part of the world didn´t really have a "science" of astronomy at the time..(.remember, it was in Iraq and other parts of Mesopotamia where astrology was first used. NOT the Arabian peninsula...and Egypt...Egyptian religion was really one way focused...the "afterlife."...NOT to live a good life while you are here).

Mosaic commandments were ALL about how to live a right life in the here and now...and didn´t really ´push" the idea of an afterlife.

If few people here and there were using astrology as divination, it was probably not a problem.

Perhaps at some point Astrology became very popular! And then of course the people in power were afraid that Astrologers would be "adversaries´ or enemies- again...COMPETITION... of "THE religion" - and remember, then as now, religion was a very lucrative career. Priests and other religious rulers had power and were "supported" financially by the "people´.

So it was more of a financial issue than a spiritual one.

And so it has continued that way. Astrology has been trashed since then because the powerful religions obviously feel we are in competition... which is the furthest thing from the truth.

March 9, 2023 at 00:22
(Gemini) FOWL » Linda Harris
Ancient Egypt had a robust astrological tradition. In fact the Decans as far back as we can trace them came from Egyptian tradition, although only so much can be determined from the writing we have from then. Clearly the pyramids were built to align to Sirius, which we know was watched for its heliacal rise as a sign of the Nile flooding and prosperity to return. There´s more of course... hard to tell how deeply their astrological systems went, but it is certain that their priests were astrologically adept.
March 9, 2023 at 01:16
(Pisces) Dreamer2 » IceSíckle
Look and you shall find, knocking it shall be open to you.Religion is all about enlightenment, perceiving how and why everything is the way it is searching for the truth. where a lot of churches puts limits on searching for the truth Astrology is also all about searching for the truth why and how everything is the way it is. who is God, what is God God is love God is harmony God is good. and actually tells you in the Bible that. He is a combination of all that is good. He also is Spirit, the spirit of God, good.
March 9, 2023 at 01:26
Linda Harris » FOWL
"Ancient Egypt had a robust astrological tradition."

Yes...but not for the common people....and not to guide their individual lives.

ONLY the religious rulers used astrology...and as I said....their focus was "the after life."

Astrology as we use it bears little resemblance to Egypt´s use of it.

Before Egypt, maybe thousands of years before Egypt...people looked UP to the heavens to seek some connection between IT and them. Using the Sun´s it was noted in antiquity that the "lights" moved in the same way month after month, year after year.

Stonehenge... also used the planets..for ritual...but again, not in any way that we use astrology ...because individual lives meant little -...

South American civilizations lost for possibly 2000 years also used a form of astrology in their was all for religion and ritual.

the Individual as a unique person who had other words were willing and able to make changes in their lives according to their impulses and a very new concept.

March 9, 2023 at 01:29
(Gemini) FOWL » Linda Harris
This is of course true, and thank you for the clarification. The truth of the matter however is that we have no idea how the little people actually felt and acted, as they had no means of documenting their lives and thoughts to us through the aeons. What we can be certain of is that they at least followed the phases of the Moon, and likely the planets. Many folkloric traditions carry on through oral traditions which give a sense of a much deeper and more rich inner world that the non-notables experienced beyond that which we can assess from our vantage point.
March 9, 2023 at 01:35
Linda Harris » FOWL
I agree...but the name of this thread is Bible & is why I didn´t really go deeper.
Most experts believe the Bible was first begun to be written less than 3,000 years ago. Plenty was being learned before IT..
March 9, 2023 at 01:36
(Gemini) FOWL » Linda Harris
Absolutely. The point of the thread was to discuss the seemingly contradictory messaging about astrology within it, which I propose was actually fairly cohesive thematically.
March 9, 2023 at 04:32
(Libra) Opal E » FOWL…

This is an interesting book.

The below is from Chapter IV, The Firmament.

Of note "God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of heaven."

Lights, plural.

"And God said, Let there be a rāqiā‘ in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the rāqiā‘, and divided the waters which were under the rāqiā‘ from the waters which were above the rāqiā‘: and it was so. And God called the rāqiā‘ Shamayim. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

It is, of course, perfectly clear that by the word rāqiā‘ in the preceding passage it is the atmosphere that is alluded to. But later on in the chapter the word is used in a slightly different connection. "God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of heaven.
March 9, 2023 at 04:47
(Libra) Opal E » Linda Harris…

The Mayans/Aztecs used The Venus Calendar. It is an interesting system that I don´t yet totally understand.

I understand what you are saying in that in recent ancient history :4: the emphesis was on the Kings and country.

But, I don´t think it was always so. If I am reading between the lines correctly Lainie, you believe it to be older too. With that in mind, do we when we reach an apocolypse, lose our knowledge, and then gradually find it again, with the elite being the first to use it, for what they are looking for? Will I win the battle? Will I have an heir? When it is in recovery stage, after an apocolypse, I believe we would return to it being a tool first for the rulers. Then again, it will be expanded upon, as it was to include the people.
March 9, 2023 at 09:17
(Cancer) CancerPiscesLibra
I have dealt with this topic just today. I was raised in a religion that taught astrology was playing with the devil. I was actually afraid of it and of really looking into it for many years. But more recently I have finally allowed my self to look at it and learn it to try to understand my birth chart. I came to it wanting answers to some things in my life and it has helped me greatly. Now I am devouring information and learning it fast because I find it a useful tool for healing. I had to deal with my conscious and subconscious beliefs about religion and what it told me about astrology. In the end, I just think it´s another tool like money or using crystals or whatnot. Everything can be used for good or for bad. If we use it for personal gain or to harm another that is a negative use of the tool.
March 9, 2023 at 09:33
(Scorpio) IceSíckle » CancerPiscesLibra
"I was raised in a religion that taught astrology was playing with the devil."

Same here ✋ But in truth, Astrology is more closely playing with the divine than it is the devil. Like you said anything can be used for good or bad which includes Astrology. It should be a tool to help heal and enrich our lives rather than be slaves to rythym of the stars and let us fall into paranoia over every conjunction, square, opposition and so on...We can fly or fall with Astrology..the choice is ours.

You have the same healthy outlook I have adopted myself so congrats 👏
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