Empty Houses... - Discussions, questions

FOWL If anything, an empty house operates more smoothly as it has less planetary energy complicating things.... it may just operate comfortably in the background (based on the state of the ruling planet) without as much conflicting energy within it.

IceSíckle » FOWL That makes sense now that I think of it! The empty houses must act as a purer version without other energies affecting it. Thanks!

FOWL » IceSíckle Of course... we still have transiting planets polluting the water.. and causing movement where there is stagnation. But less powerful conjunctions to really shake things up... still, a transiting planet aspecting a planet in another house will still activate the house it is in in unexpected ways.

Mike Five An "empty" house can have many interesting things to see, however it is clear that we pay less attention to it in general, because by not having planetary energies creating tensions or perennial joys, it may seem to us that it works automatically.

However, the "empty" house will always have a cusp to a specific degree, with a planetary ruler; and sometimes the first part of another sign or an intercepted sign (depending on which house system we use).

It is also possible that midpoints, Arabic lots, antiscias, dodecatemorias come together in that house... or even that that house is temporarily activated by transits, progressions, directions, etc.

Without forgetting, of course, that the house in question could also be "occupied" by synastry with a person close to us.

FOWL » Mike Five Ew! no! Stay out of my houses OTHERS!

Mike Five » FOWL

Hylonome » Mike Five And I wouldn´t forget the fact of intercepted signs / duplicated cusps in "empty" houses as well. For those who believe that this issue needs to be resolved, then I think it´s like having planets on it (or "worse" depending on the case) 😄

Hylonome » FOWL Hi, flatmate

IceSíckle » Mike Five Thank you Mike.

I knew there was more intricacies involved with the empty houses in our natal charts. I just figured it was either a suppression or procession of those energies and themes of those empty houses.

If I´m including midpoints and Arabic lots then I don´t have as much of an empty chest per se. The degrees and Lord of the houses also color those houses too. Showing more complexity too. No house is truly empty in that sense I suppose! Wow

FOWL » Hylonome Oh, and which room in my house did you setup in? Probably the eleventh!

Hylonome » FOWL Very clever comment Well... Following mine that I wrote to Ice, in which there is an intercepted sign, so you can´t access me!

FOWL » Hylonome Can´t access an intercepted sign? Baloney!

Hylonome » FOWL Until you don´t resolve the issue in the houses with duplicated cusps... I know we have different astrological opinions on this

FOWL » Hylonome You have to deal with the affairs of every house no matter what in life, and the transits to them will play out with the colour of the sign they are in, whether intercepted or not.
The biggest problem I have with intercepted house theory is the idea that you basically can´t use the planet within that house... it´s a layer of consciousness, you are using it either way. The idea that you need to work with the issues in the duplicated sign cusps to better access the intercepted house, well it´s an interesting idea I haven´t fully explored.

YRashawn » FOWL Exactly! I wish more people understood this. I would like to add that the outcome of the house is dependent upon the planet that RULES the house and planets in the house become ACTIVATED when the house topics are activated.

FOWL » YRashawn An important predictive perspective to be sure. Perhaps less clear when just looking at the natal chart alone.

Hylonome » FOWL No, I didn´t say you can´t use them (that was part of my joke due the "romantic" tone). But they are there, intercepted, and they need work as the rest of your chart.

I didn´t study this, but somehow I have memorised it as if it were a mathematical formula :D

When you find an intercepted axis, it means you´ll find 4 duplicated cusps (two pairs of houses). So the first pair affects the second one (counterclockwise) and until you don´t resolve that, you can´t properly "use" the intercepted signs/planets.

For example, I have Saturn in Pisces intercepted in the 9th House (Virgo intercepted in the 3rd House as well). In my case, the duplicated cusps are in the 5th - 11th Houses (in Scorpio) affecting the 6th - 12th Houses (in Tauro).

In the 5th House I have Mars and this wonderful planet is the one that brought the fun to the party :D

So my work/healing is focused on it.

FOWL » Hylonome You´ll never be able to work with Mars properly until you accept that it´s you ruling planet! I´ll see myself out now!

FOWL » Hylonome It´s an interesting technique, but I´m more skeptical of the practitioners who get overly concerned about intercepted planets... some people out there are really harsh about it which is foolish. I know you didn´t say this, you have a pretty rational perspective on it, some do say you basically can´t access that planet which is silly.

Aren Levi From vedic perspective,
Empty house can be as prominent as house filled with many planets.
Position of ruler of that house shows a lot.

But i gotta say, when ruler of a house sits in that house - then the house acts "purely" to its known characteristics.
It may be easily understood by 1st house ruler.
- each planet has its core characteristics ( Sun king, Mars warrior etc ... )
- If a 1st house is empty and ruler is Sun which sits in 2nd house ( which is sign virgo for leo asc ), then person is a king in matters of finances/possesions while having prominent virgo physicality mixed with leo physicality, in this case leo looks with virgo essence ( maybe well groomed leo hair with sense for clean and formal clothes ). ( really basic example )

FOWL » Aren Levi I´m curious if you use whole sign for this, and if not, would a planet ruling a house that it is in, but in the sign next door, take your example, but the Sun in Virgo is still within the first house ruled by Leo.

Aren Levi » FOWL Vedic astrology works only with whole sign system, because every technique depends on it.

I do not understand your question,,, if it is from other house system then i do not know.

FOWL » Aren Levi It´s an irrelevant question if you use whole sign. So you answered it anyways!

IceSíckle » Aren Levi Thanks for that Vedic look at empty houses Aren!
I kind of figured the ruler of the Ascendant would play a role in physicality if 1st house is empty. For example I have empty 1st house with Taurus Ascendant but I have Venus in Sagittarius so my vitality may be a combo of Taurean and Sagittarian flair correct? This is cool because it combines physical attributes with other signs... so yeah empty houses are just as important as full houses :P

Aren Levi » IceSíckle Vitality is actually seen from multiple places in vedic chart.
Sun is no matter what always seen as major vitality significator with 1st house and 1st house ruler,,, also with 6th house condition and 8th + 12th house connections there is some insight

I would also like to mention that planets in 1st house give the energy directly. While if 1st house is empty, then ruling planet and planets sitting with ruling planet are fueling 1st house inderectly by their "obligations" in house and condition they are sitting.

In other words its not worse or better having 1st house empty, but its like your 1st house radiates when you use energy of the ruling planet condition of house it sits in.

While having ruling planet of 1st house in 1st house you are almost used by that energy, you are the energy.

That is my experience which so far prooved to be right.