Understanding and healing Chiron - Discussions, questions

Rosincvist . . . It is Combust with your so it´s nonexistence makes it a nonissue!
My Third-house , Orb makes it persist in a number of other Harmonics, suggests too high expectations; Heliocentrically grounds my

Aren Levi I think having partner that has axis to your Chiron by his/hers Chiron helps a lot.

( 1-7, 2-8, 3-9 etc... )

Astro-Seek.com » Rosincvist System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Hi, thank you for your answer! I´m sorry but I only understood the part about the combustion... The rest of the answer I didn´t get nothing 😅

Anyway... How it could be a nonissue when I already feel its presence? I´m curious about this. Thank you in advance!

Astro-Seek.com » Aren Levi System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Hi! Thanks, good to know 😅

Anyway I am asking for others chiron, not mine! I already know it very well 😄

How do you feel your Chiron? What´s your experience? (if you want to share it).

Aren Levi » Hylonome i have share it so many freaking times here

when young till 17yrs - low money, hated for skin colour, - those resulted in weight problems - that resulted as feeling less then others but it also made me work hard to be better then others in every way and taught me i got a strong backbone.

Astro-Seek.com » Aren Levi System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Thank you for sharing! It´s interesting to read it.

And would you say it´s "under control"? Does it hurt? How it feels after working on it?

I´m also curious its opposition with your Moon... How did you feel that? I have an opposition with the MC and I also feel that there is something there... But I don´t know how it would work with oppositions.

Graham "How is your relationship with your Chiron, have you healed it, are you in the process? No matter its position, sign or house; I´d love to read your experience"

"I AM ASKING FOR OTHERS CHIRON, NOT MINE!"
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[You will find my natal placements easier to "take in"/put inro context if you pull up my Astro-seek natal chart image.]

I have natal Chiron conjunct Sun in Scorpio/3rd house ... qcx Uranus-on-MC in Gemini/9th and semi-sextile Jupiter-on-IC in Capricorn/4th house.

Thus, my Chiron-wounded-Sun forms a Stimulation/Irritation Triangle with the Jupiter-Uranus opposition.

The wound manifests as an expectation that others will distort my communications (sometimes intentionally, and sometimes unintentionally/because "what they hear is not what I intended to communicate".)

However, although this wound APPEARS to have been created by events in my childhood and adolescence, it is actually rooted in a past life - with the chidhood and adoloecence experiences having been actively "looked for" by me (thus ensuring that the wound was lifted from my unconscious mind and firmly embedded in my subconsciousness mind by the time I reached adulthood).

That past life is described in my natal "intercepted signs, duplicated house cusps and the planets involved in those astrological indicators". And, it was not until after I had identified-and-resolved those that I began to understand my "unhealable" Chiron wound (and why it must be "lived with", rather than resolved).

Aren Levi » Hylonome After i healed it i feel free, trully free to do whatever i want and that i can acomplish a lot.
And that nothing and noone can slow me down or stop me.

i use vedic astrology

i got it quite easy to be honest, since i got Chiron conjuct Mars in the same house as Lilith and Pluto and Juno, all i had to do was doing Martian stuff and spiritual stuff to heal my Chiron.

Also my Moon with Saturn and Jupiter helped me to be wise about health since they are in 6th house - original house of virgo.

But when i was in my Moon mahdasha and my Chiron was strongest, i got OCD with anxiety ( Moon-Saturn ).

All good now tho 👌

Astro-Seek.com » Graham System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Hi Graham, good that you really understood my question. I appreciate everyone here, but hey my Chiron is already in the 3rd house, I know I have "problems" with communication but I guess I was clear when I asked haha.

Thank you so much for explaining, I really appreciate it because we have kind of a coincidence (Sun conjunct Chiron / 3rd House). I´m touched by some things you say here; for example, that this wound could come from a past life (I never thought of this possibility!), in fact I have an intercepted sign in the same house where Chiron is and for a while now I´ve been wondering what my real "problem" is (whether one, the other or both!) But you´ve given me some interesting information to think about! Thank you!

In my case, I feel it in different ways.... Feeling bad when I talk, misunderstandings / difficult to really know what the other is saying ( I " receive " an idea but then I think what was the real meaning; as if I have two brains to process it); also my sister, she is very nice and kind but beyond that I realise that my patience is quite low if compared to what I have with other people and I also get hurt by some things that from other people I wouldn´t this way.... And, I think the opposition with the MC also has something to do with how I feel. God.

The other thing that touches me is your final sentence.... Do you live with it? I guess your age in your profile is the real one so... After the years you still feel your Chiron? I thought this would end one day!

Astro-Seek.com » Aren Levi System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Thank you for sharing your experience, I liked to read it. I didn´t go into vedic astrology, maybe there´s something there that helps me :)

Thanks again! :) Have a good day, Aren.

Astro-Seek.com » Hylonome System message: Post has been written by user forwhomthe, who already deleted profile on this website:
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The planets and asteroids have been around for millions of years, at least hundreds of thousands. We were born a few years ago.

It is not going to be "us" that influence "them."

Chiron is a sore spot, and should not be approached with nonchalance or arrogance, or the will to change it, but simply to understand it.

He or she that struggles against the stars struggles in vain.

A lot of people walk around without even a vague knowledge of astrology. I see them as walking blind through the forest. What astrology gives is knowledge.

Astro-Seek.com » forwhomthe System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Hi! Nonchalance, arrogance, will to change it? Sounds like some strong words to say to a person that shares her doubts with a good intention. Who is trying to influence Chiron? It´s obvious I know I can´t do that haha

I´m not going to get into a "discussion" because I know my intentions and I know what my purpose was. You can understand what you prefer, to be honest I´m fine with that. This is just the internet and I don´t know you :)

But since you give your opinion on my thread at least I guess you could also give your point of view on how to "simply understand it". It would be more useful for my situation, because that´s what I really asked.

Anyway, thank you for your comment. Have a nice day!

Astro-Seek.com » Hylonome System message: Post has been written by user forwhomthe, who already deleted profile on this website:
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I did not mean what I said as an attack.

My point of view that I am trying to communicate is that the best way to understand it is to approach it with reverence, care, even fear. It is good to fear powerful things.

When I say "simply understand," I mean as opposed to "try to change" or "try to do something about."

I, of course, believe fully that your intentions are good. Mine are simply to help.

Astrology goes into the deepest depths of the soul, so it is only natural that some things would hurt.

Move-37 As far as I understand, it´s mostly at the Chiron Return you will be able to heal your life wound, so that´s 49-50 years.

My relationship with Chiron is that I consider it a pebble with too much contributed credits. I´d rather look at my Saturn to see what needs to be "healed". I used to attach too much attention to those pebbles, until I realised our solar system is filled with pebbles like Ceres (which is closer and bigger but nobody cares) and Eris (close to Pluto but Pluto is somehow Big Deal and Eris nobody cares).

Don´t get me wrong, I have an instinct to take care of Pluto but I realise the pebbles are just a decoy for some other stuff and aspects that must take place at the same time.

Astro-Seek.com » forwhomthe System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Thank you for your answer. I always appreciate the wisdom of the Sagittarius friends :)

Well... After many years suffering bullying and with a Chiron in the 3rd House, I admit I can have some problems of understanding, hehe (quizás en español nos hubiésemos entendido mejor). After that bullying wound I learnt to don´t take things personally but I can have difficulties to detect if the other person is really attacking or not. So I´m sorry for that and thanks for the mirror!

I like your point of view on this (quite Sagittarius btw haha); "to flow" with it, right? That´s what you´re trying to say me? To change, would be a resisting energy... I think I got you... It´s interesting !

To the rest of your answer, thank you :)

Astro-Seek.com » Move-37 System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Hi! Oh, I never heard of that of the return... But I found interesting to take in mind other points of the chart that can help; I´ll think about it... Thank you for your answer and for sharing your experience!!

Have a nice day!

sadiemae100 Hello!

I have been learning more about my chiron & how to work with it for healing. Definitely takes patience. Shadow work & inner child work have help me to heal & further integrate my chiron. Learning more about the sign it is in has also helped me to embrace the qualities about it (sagittarius) that I recognize within myself.

Astro-Seek.com » Hylonome System message: Post has been written by user forwhomthe, who already deleted profile on this website:
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¡Bastante sabiduría que tienes tú también! Háblame en español cuando quieras, claro que sí.


Tal vez lo que te quiero decir es que primero, antes de formular cualquier plan al respecto, lo que tocaría es entender a fondo Chiron. Eso es algo difícil y doloroso, pero paga. El problema (en tanto que uno lo quiera ver como un problema) es que una vez que hayas hecho eso, descrubrirás, como te dijo Graham, que lo más que se puede hacer es vivir con eso. Claro, entender lo que es sí ayuda muchísimo. En tu caso, por ejemplo, yo creo que tiene que ver mucho con la sabiduría que tienes. Lo tienes pegado al sol y además en el mismo signo que el IC, con lo cual es el "tú" más verdaderito y, por tanto, más frágil. Encima de la fragilidad que ya acarrae Libra.

Pero antes de hacer todo eso, de tratar de entender lo bueno que trae, hay que tratar de entender lo que hay ahí. Sin juzgar, sin tener intenciones (para bien o para mal) y sabiendo que, siendo Chiron, va a doler.


I think you are plenty wise. I think maybe you can see that my advice is only to try to help.

Master50 Chiron has made me a profound understanding, attentive listener and I have been open to new things and sensitive to the energies of others, which is sometimes tiring. It has been activated especially in close relationships, but while improving, that is, I may say things very directly. Stumbling is financially stumbling in one´s own life, but it has strengthened the soul and has taken me to explore the alternative to medicine and also clinical medicine. I´m a Reiki nurse. Childhood lives in the rural area in an ordinary family, but I had inflammation of asthma and bacterial mening, and at that time I went to death, which has still remained a mystery for myself. It seems that in my childhood family, my mother couldn´t appreciate me as a creative artist.

Graham » Hylonome "The other thing that touches me is your final sentence.... Do you live with it? I guess your age in your profile is the real one so... After the years you still feel your Chiron? I thought this would end one day!"
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Yes. ... It never goes away, so I have no choice but to learn to live with it.

The upside is that it enables me to see when the communications of others are also being misunderstood ... and (sometimes) to assist those others in "healing" such third-party misunderstandings.

Astro-Seek.com » sadiemae100 System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Hi! Thank you for your answer!

I´m not an English native speaker and I think didn´t understand well this, sorry: what do you mean when you say "shadow work"?

Thank you in advance!

Astro-Seek.com » forwhomthe System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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¡Qué amable eres! Muchas gracias por tus palabras :)

Admito que suelo tener cierta ansiedad por la resolución de cualquier cuestión y Quirón pobrecito, también lo está pagando ¡jaja! Hace tiempo estoy intentando entenderlo y en ese proceso siento que se ha desarrollado más que antes...! (será que ahora tiene "nombre y apellido" y puedo identificarlo...).

El tema de ver cómo puede ser útil, si bien es etapa posterior, ha sido algo natural que ha sucedido. Es muy satisfactorio cada vez que puedo aplicarlo, pero claro, aún duele como duelen las situaciones cuando aún no están del todo integradas. ¡Duele desde la ignorancia!

En lo personal, el gran dolor se relaciona con todo lo que implica la Casa 3, como le comentaba a Graham más arriba: culpa al hablar, problemas de comunicación, diferentes procesos de aprendizaje (que te "alejan" de la sociedad, pero al mismo tiempo veo potencial en un aprendizaje "distinto"), hermanos... Siento que la herida "sobre el Sol" digamos, está asimilada / integrada y el dolor que vivo y me perturba se identifica más con la Casa, que es lo que me amarga profundamente, cuando se activa...

Por otro lado no puedo evitar mencionar esto porque cuando has dicho "Libra" me ha tocado y para mí es importante, ya que al ver mi carta se pueden entender otras cosas... Estoy inclinada hacia la teoría sobre la astrología y el Hemisferio Sur (lo de "dar vuelta" la carta). Luego de analizarlo, sinceramente la he integrado a mi vida y a mi manera de interpretar la mía.

Sé que esto es controversial y espero que no me estés odiando en este momento si no crees en ella jajaja pero seguro que como Sagitariano, me entenderás con esto de ser receptivo a nuevas y diferentes ideas (y yo tengo muy "a flor de piel" el eje Géminis-Sagitario...). Si bien al principio di por sentado que no era cierto, tan sólo saber más, acabé dándome cuenta que la contrariedad que me presentaba mi carta libriana (que cada vez más, sentía que me limitaba) era que quizá no estaba hablando de mí y que las respuestas se estaban forzando. Fue tan sólo empezar a verlo desde Aries, que comenzaron a ser muy específicas y realmente hablaban de mi vida (vaya proceso fue todo esto, eh y aún sigo en ello...).

Confío en la astrología hasta los límites del ser humano; una vez desprendidos del ego y alineados con la energía de nuestras almas, pienso que es una herramienta (terapéutica) para las personas. Entonces como herramienta, la pienso como una flexible. Tú mencionabas la importancia de temer. En mi caso, diría la importancia de dudar... De todo: de lo que no creo y aún más de lo que creo. Ésta es mi manera de ver la vida. Lo que sirve para la evolución se aplica y lo que no, ¡puede seguir su camino!

Pareciera que mi Sol ya no tiene identidad... Libra, Aries, ¡Virgo! (según el tema de la "precesión" que he leído) jajaja... Pero a efectos prácticos y lo que ahora me importa es que sí sé que Quirón es real (y en Aries me representa), que está allí y lo más importante para mí es cómo abordar una herida que se activa en las situaciones menos imaginadas.

No siento que sea frágil como Libra. Creo que siempre me he sentido fuerte y guerrera como Aries, pero a base de experiencias (y uf que necesitaría caracteres aquí para explicarlo...!), he caído en la fragilidad. Y desde hace un tiempo, me toca recomponer y restaurar mi esencia...

Pero me ha gustado tu punto de vista porque me hiciste recordar que mi necesidad de control (y resistencia, pues) aún está ahí y quizá allí tenga la respuesta a lo que realmente buscaba.

Así que... ¡Muy valiosa tu respuesta! ¡Te lo agradezco mucho!!!

También muchas gracias por tus generosas palabras, no sé por qué te he transmitido eso, pero lo valoro. Por supuesto que noto que buscas ayudarme y reitero (ahora sí en nuestro idioma) mis disculpas. Reconozco que tu primera respuesta me "tocó" porque soy más del estilo Quironiano y siempre cuido cada centímetro de lo que escribo para que nadie salga herido, pero... ¡Quizá era "ese golpe" el que necesitaba!

I appreciate a looot you took a time to write me! All the best and a big hug!
Cami

Astro-Seek.com » Master50 System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Hi, Rauno. Thank you for sharing your experience and for talking about these personal things from your private life!

As I´m exploring a theory that would place my Chiron in Aries (instead of Libra, where is originally), you experience is helpful!

Thank you and I wish you the best!

Astro-Seek.com » Graham System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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This is an interesting "coup" for me... (I don´t know which is the correct word for saying this, sorry).

You may have seen it in my chart: a Sun-Chiron conjunction... Yes, my father. Tragic death in an accident when I was 3 years old. It is mostly healed but the wound became a close relationship with death and my way of looking at life: everything "has" to begin and end.

So when you tell me that Chiron doesn´t end... Well, it´s an interesting thing to think about. Following the advice from another answer, I guess "flowing" with it will be a good start to integrate it and make the most of it....

Thank you so much for your reply, I enjoyed reading your point of view!

Have a nice day,
Cami

Astro-Seek.com » Hylonome System message: Post has been written by user forwhomthe, who already deleted profile on this website:
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No, ¿odiarte por qué?

Lo de sabiduría lo menciono porque, lejos de ser poco común tu primera reacción, es la más común. Tal vez por sagitariano o tal vez no sé por qué, mi manera de decir las cosas hiere a la gente. Soy directo, sobre todo cuando es un tema importante.

Pero lo que sí fue inusual fue que immediatamente pudieras dar la vuelta y verlo desde otro punto de vista. Eso sí es poco común, y requiere sabiduría. Sabiduría, por cierto, típicamente librana.

A veces hay la opción entre sentirse cómodo y sufrir, o sentirse incómodo y vencer. Las cosas que digo van en vía de lo segundo. Pero no soy yo nadie para dirigirte en cómo pensar ni cómo proceder, mucho menos odiarte. Las opiniones que te dí fue porque me las pediste.

Te deseo toda la suerte y creo que te va a ir muy bien.