Do people become more like their sun or ascendant as they get older? - Discussions, questions

Astro-Seek.com System message: Post has been written by user Prelude, who already deleted profile on this website:
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No we just become more like ourselves as we get older, the immature brain needs guidance and some don´t know how to turn off learner mode and actually use their own brains.

Also the age is 25 on average for critical thinking, this is due to the prefrontal cortex development.

Which coincides with how stupid younger people are vs people around 30 or more after the first Saturn return.

https://paradigmtreatment.com/teens…

Kélian As any part of the birth chart, the Ascendant can be afflicted by bad aspects, and as any affliction in a chart, it can create problems and lead the person to self-develop in order to counter-balance/suppress the negative tendencies created by the affliction, thus manifesting a more "pure" and positive side of what is afflicted.

Which means that it depends for everybody. People whose ascendant is afflicted will probably become more like their ascendant (if they succeed in recognizing their problems and changing themselves), but people whose ascendant is not afflicted probably won´t.

sullenxx I´ve been wondering this too...I think I´ve become more like my ascendant since I turned 18. I went through my progressed moon in Scorpio and I was never the same sweetheart I used to be growing up before that. I really think that experience opened my eyes and turned my ASC up like 10 notches lol.

plumreme "The idea of the sun is that we earn it, and maybe move further away from our moon.
The same for the ascendant"



I´m feeling this to be personally true lately, anyway. I´ve always felt my sun with me, but way moreso my moon and rising (which are together). I´ve felt like I have to grow toward both my MC (afflicted by the moon/Nep) and Sun (focal point of T square with generational opposition most of the earth has) *through* maturing that moon - which is maybe going "away" from it. Sun almost feels like a resolution/destination point for me now.

Also thinking a lot on the tension between and differences in, as we age, the AS and MC.

IceSíckle Oooo this is interesting, I also have been wondering this for awhile!

I would say for me I don´t quite feel like my Sun Sign completely. Only in certain circumstances the Scorpio Sun presents itself. I live life more through my Rising sign whether I´m around others or not.

Aragatito Hello, interesting question, this year something has happened to me, I don´t know if a very special person triggered that, or if both Pisces this year have been the culprit, i was a very Sagittarius person my ascendant I considered myself completely disconnected from Pisces, where by the way I have a stelium, I have my sun Mars and Venus in the 3rd house, and Neptune in the 12th house, but when I turned 41 in March, something changed, I met a person and although I used to be detached and realistic, I always criticized imaginary relationships that´s what I called distance relationships I never cared about anyone else, I was the center of my universe, and one I started giving without expecting anything in return, worrying about others, getting along with cancer and scorpions,connect with feelings and emotions that I did not know, such as unconditional love and fantastic dreams, It´s still hard for me to listen, but I sincerely care about people and they made me want to socialize in a different way out of love and not out of interest I don´t know how long it will last, because I don´t like to feel vulnerable.I am connected to something bigger than material things, I am a Moon in Taurus and I was always very ambitious, but now money is no longer a priority, I was always very cold and detached in my relationships I was looking for satisfaction , now I understand a romantic and crazy love too much Venus pisces,looking for her plutonean prince charming to rescue her from her tower hahaha I hope it´s a transit and my life returns to normal the magical world is beautiful but it´s quite intense

Astro-Seek.com System message: Post has been written by user Nos sonhadores, who already deleted profile on this website:
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soemone once said to me the Sun-Principle is lived more at childhood ... and wehn i think back on my life this makes pretty good sense ... the other aspects come through during teenage years ... but you re not neccessarily inclining towards the AC wich is really nothing more then a type of first impression fassade ! ... try to see the horoscope like a group of people (the planets) thrown toegether wehn you are born , and it takes them a while to figure out eachother ... during early life thefirst mishaps (squares) come up but also good workings together (conjuctions) and so on ...

Rosincvist I was in an Astrology class with a Doctor Prete, Soap- turned Metaphysical Minister, he talked too fast & said there was a switch between Sun-sign and Ascendant at 35, but I didn´t catch which really came first!
Someone in a famous family was born seven hours before me with dead on the horizon line; That could make things easier if the two were completely inter- changeable! Earning a in two tee- s; "I don´t buy it!"

MaryJos » Prelude "How stupid young people are""

It´s true been there happy to get off

Victor_Valiant_ People become more of whichever aspect the person focuses more on to express or emphasize in their life.

We have a choice, which part of our personality to show.
Our sun self side, our mars assertive side, mercury intellect objective side or our loving venus side etc.

People act on all these at the appropriate time & situation.
Loving venus with family, mars with adversaries, and so on.

Person can choose which side he wants emphasize more to grow in, be more loving, be more assertive, be more diplomatic & detached calculating etc.
And he/she shall become that way, with developing habits, routine & mindsets.

But situations can trigger this change too, when one is on his/her venus side, and he/she gets badly hurt, by being too personal with another.
Might then shift their mannerism to emphasize their mercury side,
By being objective more detached and calculating before going into personal matters & opening his/hers venus.

Hope that helps gives some insights

Cheers

MaryJos » plumreme I feel the same.

Even if my Taurus sun is in harmony whith my Libra ASC due to natural ruler Venus, i always feel more my 8th house crazy gemini moon and the Pluto in 1st conjunct ASC make me always feel like scorpion. reserve, introspective, heavy energy.

But as astrologers always said.. if your Taurus! You always going to be Taurus! I dont even like to eat men!!!!

MaryJos » Nos sonhadores I totaly agree with sun-principle.
I feel it just like! Maybe we are meant to integrate the energy of the ASC as we progress.
I always felt i add difficult expressing my ascendant util recently... and i am 40th!!! But a couples years ago i change... my ASC. I change my hair, i get thinner because of work...i dress black and get into astrology. When i start to read about progressions i realize that my ASC as progressed to Scorpion in that year. Even with a great interest a part of me remain "agnostic"... i can´t explain it but people don´t even reconise me.
I turn darker but more aprotchable and a more confident.

Ioana rb I´m a mix between my moon sun sign and AC (a bit of the capricorn stellium too)
We are so complex and i learn new things about myself every day .

Anna239 » Prelude Well, that’s a fair point

Anna239 » Kélian Right, so in this case it could impede the full expression

And you have similar thoughts for the sun?

Anna239 » sullenxx Hmm.. I think that something like that happened for me too, or perhaps a bit later. Then I went backwards a bit, so the manifestation wasn’t full still

Anna239 » IceSíckle I’d have to agree with this on a certain level, though my asc is supposed to be quite social. But I have my social side and introverted side
I do agree with the idea that the sun is the ideal though

Anna239 » Aragatito This is interesting, as your sun would be in the 4th house then?
Do you feel the influence of this also?

Kélian » Anna239 Anything that is afflicted in a chart represent an area of life/part of the psyche that needs improvement.

If your Venus is heavily afflicted, there is a high probability of problems arising in the sphere of relationships and love life, this is very likely to be an area where you will want to change yourself. In the process, and if you succeed, you are very likely to adopt qualities and an overall attitude that makes you closer to a positive/constructive archetype of the sign where your Venus is located in.

The same goes for the Sun, Mars, the Ascendant, and every other personal stuff in the chart.

Aragatito » Anna239 what a good analysis you just found another important factor, if this year I reject job offers, because I no longer want to return to work, my priority is the children, and perhaps although I am very crazy about I tried but it didn´t work, I couldn´t leave them I´m used to being with them, money and relationships with men have gone to the level of I´m not interested I´m enjoying my children and they are their last years as children, so I don´t want to miss them, now I understand that at home 4 that became a priority wow that´s great

Zephyrin This issue seems to remain as a mystery for me as a Leo Sun, Taurus Moon and Sagittarius ASC.

In childhood and adolescence, I was as emotional as Cancer but as I grew up, things changed and I felt like a Leo, with harsh-tongued and detached. My loved ones said I act and look like a Capricorn.

The problem is, I have no Capricorn placements except Lilith and SN in 1H. I really wonder if it is possible to stick to SN forever. In a sense I reject evolving into NN in Cancer in 7H. I still feel inecure about home issues, children and marriage. It is not the life I want.

LotusStar Do we become more like our Saturn (old age)??

I do notice my Sun qualities more as I grow older, I didn´t relate to them as much before. I don´t think the ascendant qualities change too much but I feel like they are more an outer layer... if I may, compare this to a pizza ascendant is like the topping, and the Moon is like the sauce and the Sun is the dough.

All the parts of our chart speak in their respective areas.

I see my ascendant qualities come out more when I am in new and unfamiliar situations. It´s the part we consciously present in new situations and that initiates out to approach the world and people around us. I dont think its changed but I dont identify with it that deep. I almost feel like the IC is more like who are "deep down", the stuff we´re made of.

Anna239 » Kélian Right, this seems about right.

But would you say this is the experience of the average person?

Anna239 » LotusStar What you say about the ascendant seems true, I use my ascendant to manage situations to some degree, and yes particularly the unknown
People who I do not know


Ahhahaha the ic, idk if I’m very Capricorn-ish. Hm maybe a bit
I’m looking forward to be being more like my sun tbh

Kélian » Anna239 I think most people will eventually try to correct some of their flaws, beginning by those who cause the most unhappiness in their lives.
The more afflicted a planet is, the more problems she leads to.

Even if your main flaw is let´s say a lack of self-consciousness (Neptune opposing the Sun for example ?), there will eventually be people in your life to tell you that you should realize this or that.

It depends on the affliction, how many problems it leads too, how altering these problems are to the person´s overall happiness, what impact they have on the person´s life.

In that process of changing, there can be people surrounding us that will help you get better, but one can also be born in a family or around people who will not only encourage them to continue manifesting their flaws, but who will even make them worse, and those people will need more time to get better.

But basically, someone with a very weak and heavily afflicted Mercury is very likely, at some point in his/her life, to learn how to communicate better, if Mercury is in Taurus, the person will keep a naturally Taurus way of communicating, but it won´t be as messy as before, manifesting a purer Taurus way of communicating.
If it´s the Ascendant and the person is Aries Rising, the person may suffer feeling that she has trouble using the qualities of Aries as she lacks confidence in herself, and someday she begins gaining confidence and one year later she appears as an Aries in her overall way of being.