Sagittarius vs Scorpio Rising Confusion

March 31, 2022 at 15:55 (UT/GMT)
(Capricorn) Emanuel
Sagittarius vs Scorpio Rising Confusion
Why so fkin often when I assume someone has Scorpio Rising (by their behaviour,appearance etc) when they say the birth hour is so often Sagittarius Rising . Judging from first impression no way I could say that these people have Sag Rising and not Scorpio. They are kidna shy,reserved ,quite lonely and not that talkative or preachy . Could be a reason the fact that this is the generation with Pluto in Sagittarius ?

The most accurate birth times i ve ever received was from Virgo Rising lol .

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March 31, 2022 at 16:03
(Taurus) Rosincvist
Sometimes birth certifications are rounded like official appointment times.
Sometimes a Doctor will write down his next job assignment´s time-stamp.
Sometimes there is the annoyance of babies horning in on the same time :119: :120:
March 31, 2022 at 16:20
(Capricorn) Emanuel
This is an example...Sag Rising, Venus in Aquarius in 3rd house, Jupiter in Pisces 4th house and a Aries Rising stellium in 5th house(with Mars and Saturn). If this is not an extroverted chart... But maybe I´m wrong. Yeah, Saturn is in 5th house Aries, yeah Saturn is the greater malefic(especially in a night chart), yeah the ruler of the Ascendent is Jupiter in Pisces in 4th house, yeah Pluto is on ascendant.... But still i dont think all of this seems correct judging how thid guy behaves.

He is introverted, not talkative, he keeps many thoughts for himself to not make someone angry, he has very few friends(he also says friends are just assets, you need to behave well with everyone because this is how you climb the hierarchy).That´s what he says about friends, but it s a paradox that when you need help from him he help you very fast. Also, he never had a girlfiend, he pretends that he dont want one(because he hates intimacy).
As hobbys he likes to go to gym, CRYPTO, anime, learning japanese, japanese cartoon porn (he is porn addicted yeah). He is my colleague at Medicine, we are quite good friends.
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March 31, 2022 at 16:21
(Capricorn) Emanuel » Rosincvist
This also can be true
March 31, 2022 at 16:31
(Capricorn) stellium12
I know what you mean. I´m a sag rising but don´t show it externally unless with people I know. A friend is a sag rising, scorpio sun, virgo moon and he comes across as a virgo more than anything.

I would throw out for discussion that sag rising is more as an internal way of thinking than a outward expression. My friend and I are very optimistic, don´t hold grudges, don´t dwell on things, rather go where the fun is than worry about things that you can´t control or influence.
March 31, 2022 at 18:58
(Capricorn) Emanuel » stellium12
"would throw out for discussion that sag rising is more as an internal way of thinking than a outward expression"

Maybe... Possible
March 31, 2022 at 21:49
(Capricorn) stellium12 » Emanuel
Having a cappy moon is a tough placement. And remember that Saggi is a mutable sign so they aren´t going to to be pushy. Does your friend seem independent and don´t care what others think in an aloof way? Those are characteristics of a saggi.
March 31, 2022 at 22:11
(Leo) Zephyrin
Sorry, not sorry, Pluto in Sag generation is sort of dead inside. The things they haven´t experience yet are alien invasion or zombi attacks. What else could we expect from the life of ones who have Pluto-Antares conjunction?

"They are kidna shy,reserved ,quite lonely and not that talkative or preachy"

I feel attacked by that description. People usually assume I´m a Scorpio or Gemini (?!), even if I have Sag ASC; but I have Lilith and SN in 1st house in Capricorn. I suspect some confuse Scorpio characteristics with those of Capricorn.
April 1, 2022 at 09:57
(Capricorn) Emanuel » stellium12
"Does your friend seem independent and don´t care what others think in an aloof way?"

Yes, but this also can be put on his Venus in Aquarius or Aries stellium(very independent). But considering the Aries stellium in 5th house... I expected to be much more of a hothead. If he has Scorpio Rising, the Aries stellium goes into 6th house... This could explain much more why he is not that typical aries hothead.

But again, Saturn is also present in that Aries stellium...
April 1, 2022 at 10:02
(Capricorn) Emanuel » Zephyrin
Exactly :)). But I also know some Sag Rising that are what you expect a Sag Rising to be: preachy, adventurous, religious,phylosphical good hearted, very tall(physical aspects), tendency to get fat some (Jupiter excesess), always happy and smiley etc. Kinda like a guru (but a different one from a Pisces guru).

We also dont need to forget that Sag Risings have Scorpio in their 12th house of self-undoing and repressed stuff...
April 1, 2022 at 10:40
(Capricorn) stellium12 » Emanuel
Im a sag rising and I can see traits of all my placements and aspects. These various traits come out depending on what is being triggered. The asc sign is how you present yourself to people you do not know. The sun and moon traits come out more when your with people you know and are comfortable with. This is a good friend of yours so you are seeing their cap moon side more. Try to remember when you first met them, what were they like?

Adjust the birth times on the chart and see how off the birth time needs to be a scorpio rising. If it is close you may be right. I doubt its off by more than a five minutes if the birth was in a hospital.

Did you ever give them a printout of their chart reading and ask if it fit?

Have fun and good luck with your quest. This person must mean something special to you to be so interested. Have you run synastry charts? Are there karmic connections?
April 1, 2022 at 10:49
(Pisces) Leo_Ness
Because tropical Sag rising is mostly actually sidereal Scorpio rising.
April 1, 2022 at 11:45
(Capricorn) Emanuel » Leo_Ness
Sidereal doesnt work :1:. I m a Gemini Rising in sidereal and this is the most innacurate description of me ever.
April 1, 2022 at 11:47
(Capricorn) Emanuel » stellium12
He said 1 AM his birth time. If its 12:5 AM for exemple, it s still Sag Rising... So I guess after all it is Sag Rising.
April 1, 2022 at 12:24
(Sagittarius) LanaRen
I see birth chart more as a picture of potential, sometimes it just doesn´t portrais the person as much. if there is some kind of anxiety or stress, for example, even so.
April 1, 2022 at 12:30
(Capricorn) Emanuel » LanaRen
Well, you are right in a way. Every experience with a person, every transit... Shape us in a unique way.

This guy I m talking about had very intense transits from his childhood to present day. Pluto conjunct Moon, Pluto Square Sun/mars/mercury/saturn, Uranus square Moon, Uranus conjunct Sun/mars/mercury/saturn... NEPTUNE conjunct Jupiter

Many many transits..
April 1, 2022 at 13:26
(Taurus) Morena_Lu
I can always guess scorpio ASC, I can tell by their appearance..they have a seductive, powerful, penetrating presence, there is something magnetic about them, probably their hypnotic eyes.
April 1, 2022 at 13:27
(Pisces) Gabbo23
Hi there, I have Sagittarius rising and in my experience it´s that most of my child experiences were very Scorpio, very traumatic (death, power fight), obviously a Sagittarius rising child end up being very afraid of life. But all this happen in order to trust in life you have to recover 12th house memory that it´s Scorpio. The problem it´s that most of Sagittarius rising stay at the 12th house with the drama and the dark things.
At least this is my point of view and experience, and other Sagittarius rising people experience that I saw
April 1, 2022 at 13:32
(Virgo) Aren Levi
Because tropical Sag rising is mostly actually sidereal Scorpio rising.

April 1, 2022 at 13:34
(Capricorn) Emanuel » Morena_Lu
I say... Dont trust this description very much :)). Also, I encountered many Scorpio Rising that are sturdy, overweight, at first glance nothing remarcable individuals.

Maradona, Hitler(yeah, I m in the team Hitler Scorpio Rising, not Libra Rising), Napoleon...
April 1, 2022 at 13:35
(Capricorn) Emanuel » Aren Levi
I replied to a similar comment earlier and I deboonked it.
April 1, 2022 at 13:38
(Capricorn) Emanuel » Gabbo23
"The problem it´s that most of Sagittarius rising stay at the 12th house with the drama and the dark things."

Yeah... They have a scary private alone time..
April 1, 2022 at 13:47
(Virgo) Aren Levi » Emanuel
You deebonked it by saying sidereal does not work ?
Thats so "convincing" :61:

I have done many people for which their sidereal charts worked 100% ( for free )

You say gemini asc is not you ?

you know that gemini is sign of duality ? maybe you are surpressing some other side of you ?

When it comes to physicality
- you should look at your Mercury ( 1st house ruler )
- then your 2nd house ruler ( Moon )

I still wonder why you think you have nothing from gemini asc
April 1, 2022 at 15:45
(Virgo) Etherealmind » Emanuel
Just pretend to agree with him hehe :37: :1:
April 1, 2022 at 15:59
(Capricorn) stellium12 » Aren Levi
I cannot resonate with Sidereal either. Tried and tried but just doesn´t fit.
April 1, 2022 at 16:09
(Virgo) Etherealmind » stellium12
Shhhh just pretend to agree with him :4::37:
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