Tropical astrology using Sidereal Nakshatras - Discussions, questions

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I dont know about this one , I feel like it dosnt make sens to use Nakshatras which are based upon the actual Stars placement into Tropical which is based on Seasonal Equinoxes, but at the end, a little like the video on Ayanamsa of KRS, whatever you have faith in will work out..

WHat I did yesterday was to use Placidius house system on my Sidearal Chart, I thought If im to use to actual stars placement , what not use the actual Earth inclination !! I like it better , having my jupiter and Venus in the 9th house makes so much more sens since a Have deep interest in religions, faith and beliefs and I Expect the women I will marry to have the same inclinations or similar.

s81 I do use some vedic concepts (some of those which can be applied) with tropical charts for only one reason: I saw they work. For example things like Sade Sati, Kala Sarpa, etc, are easily applicable and spot important things to see.
But just to clarify, I´ll say I see vedic astrology concepts just like I see hellenistic astrology concepts or concepts of other traditions, to me they don´t belong to their original tradition, they are just tools that popped out there but can be extrapolated. In fact, that happens all the time in history, that´s why greek lots are called arabic parts for example.

That said, it´s important to remember that not everything can be extrapolated, there are things that can´t due to it´s nature (for example, embedded religious ideas like karma).

rohini moon "it’s almost like seeing someone eat their fruitloops cereal with a fork. I mean, I suppose it works but is it really functional. . ."

Yeah. I don´t get it either. Pick one system, make a decision and stick with it... it´s not that complicated. It seems more complicated to lollygag between 2 or 3 different systems trying to come up with one answer, when I can get to one answer just by using Jyotish.. so - problem solved.

to each their own I guess.. maybe they like getting their noggins all confuzzled by using 18 different methods..

But to quote Sweet Brown - "Ain´t nobody got time for that!"

OS* » anotheralex "WHat I did yesterday was to use Placidius house system on my Sidearal Chart,"

OS* » s81 here´s what I find most interesting, We do not see any Vedic astrologers using tropical methods. However there´s quite a large handful of tropical astrologers or aspiring students trying to apply Vedic techniques to their western charts. . .

OS* » rohini moon I agree, 100%

s81 » OS* That fact talks more about any vedic astrologers than anyone else. But I don´t think that´s bad, it´s just the way it is due to it´s origins and roots. Vedic astrology is part of a bigger system, it implies things that are not astrology, for example karma, which is a religious concept. It´s natural to expect vedic astrologers to keep inside their cosmovision, I do understand them besides I don´t share that approach. For example, to me the South Node/Ketu is just pointing to a well known place from where you should detach due to your own personality traits, but it´s not pointing to past life experiences at all. To me, astrology is just a way to analyze reality.

Modern "western" astrology has it´s roots in a non-religious environment since, besides were mainly religious people -pagans, jews, christians and muslims- which developed it over the centuries, they didn´t force religious concepts inside the astrological meanings. I don´t do it neither.

That said, if I decide to see a sideral chart, of course I wouldn´t use Placidus, Topocentric, or other house system besides Whole Sign, since I understand they are not compatible, the calculations are basing in different things that can´t be joined, otherwise you´ll get a result that lacks of coherence, something that can be even dangerous if you are trying to make an important decision. But knowing that implies studying first how a tropical chart differs from a sideral chart, how house systems are calculated, etc, that way you´ll know which things can be done and which shouldn´t due to mere fact that they won´t work.

Resuming, one thing is to extrapolate concepts (like using sade sati or kala sarpa in tropical), other totally different thing is to mix systems (like using placidus with the sideral chart).

OS* » s81 I think talking about religion is like opening a can or worms here. . .

This fact I mentioned just shows that tropical astrology is so "complete and accurate" it needs to borrow, or use Vedic techniques to get a clearer picture. . .

Vedic might be more "preserved" than western astrology, mainly because people from the west see it as form of "entertainment" rather than a "science" of truths (or of Light to be literal)

some traditionalists don´t even apply kal sarpa, or other yogas that are more commonly known in modern astrology -Thus, we never see Vedic astrologers (modern or trad) using or extrapolating on tropical techniques. probably with good reasons. . .



"Resuming, one thing is to extrapolate concepts (like using sade sati or kala sarpa in tropical), other totally different thing is to mix systems (like using placidus with the sideral chart)."

in my opinion, applying Nakshatras or yogas with a tropical western chart, or even applying Bhavat Bhavam techniques with western is the same thing as extrapolating on a Sidereal chart using placidus house system.

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Well its interesting because I didn’t actually decided on my own to use placidus system but was reading a book on Vedic astrology which said it was a possibility and further research shows that their is actually The KP (krishnamurti padathi) system that actually use placidus.

OS* » anotheralex that´s really interesting because I thought Vedic astrology were all either diamond or square shaped. East, North or South charts.

Im curious how does that work ? how do you read the chart ?

OS* » anotheralex after doing a little research, KP is a technique used with dasha periods. Im not sure it´s meant to be interpreted solely, on its own. I could be wrong, let me know. . .

Nirayana bhava chalit chart https://www.youtube.com/watch/…

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Chart picture;

https://astro786.com/wp-content/…

Documentation;

https://www.kpastrology.com/kpbasic…

OS* » anotheralex Ok. but what you linked is not a "system that actually use placidus"


Krishnamurti is a Vedic astrologer that "claims to have invented" a cups house system for predictive techniques. this technique or called "KP System" is a cusp house system using the bhava chalit chart calculations.

all house systems have cusps. Tropical astrology has a full list, Placidus being one of them. they might be similar but they are not called the same.

s81 » OS* "I think talking about religion is like opening a can or worms here. . ."

Haha well, I like fishing, what can I do
But in any case, it´s interesting you state something like that, since that´s exactly what any vedic astrologer does when talking about karma or past lifes or things like that.

"This fact I mentioned just shows that tropical astrology is so "complete and accurate" it needs to borrow, or use Vedic techniques to get a clearer picture. . ."

Tropical astrology does not borrow anything, I do. I do always talk for myself, I don´t care what others do, I respect them and that´s all. I know concepts are universal and can be extrapolated if they apply, no matter where they come from, so I´m indifferent on what others say about that. After all, I´m not mixing religious concepts which can be an understandable concern to many, I´m just extrapolating astrology concepts like many others did over the centuries.
And btw, respectfully, nothing beats the precision of a Tropical Chart with Placidus (or the most modern and refined Topocentric) house system, and it does not requires nothing else. When I say I apply a concept like Sade Sati is simply paying attention to the transiting Saturn in the prior/same/next sign of the natal Moon... I´m not borrowing a technique to practice but a concept to have in mind, and of course I do it since it´s useful no matter if it comes from other type of astrology. If the remarkable special influence of Saturn over the Moon would be spotted by hellenistic astrologers, or uranian astrologers, or whatever, I would took that from them anyway. I want all the information I can gather from the chart, and I think people not doing so is loosing valuable information, like I said in other posts many times.

OS* » s81 "Tropical astrology does not borrow anything, I do."

Of course! that´s exactly what I mean -Ive seen a few using Vedic concepts and Nakshatras to the tropical zodiacs.

"nothing beats the precision of a Tropical Chart with Placidus (or the most modern and refined Topocentric) house system"

perhaps for you, but some people have to go through so many mental gymnastics to resonate with their tropical western birth charts.

I just find it so odd people using term like "Sade Sati" or applying Nakshatras to western astrology.

There are people with strong religious beliefs, like Christianity for example, yet they practice astrology. or others applying Jyotish astrology concepts, yet they do not believe in reincarnation (karma). that´s a big can of worms on its own. . .

Jessijessi504 There’s an astrologer named Vic DiCara on YouTube that uses this method and he’s actually quite good and incredibly informative.

I’ve also started studying more of the Vedic teachings along with the nakshatras and I’ve really been enjoying myself. It is interesting that both systems work albeit in two very distinct cultures that value the self vs. society at large very differently.

I would suggest looking into it for yourself and come to your own conclusions- we are often quick to pass judgement or accept what we are told without really digging into the “why is this said or how did this come to be accepted”

Like most rules, I feel as though they are more guidelines and theories that were derived from individuals observations (or at least some are) not all of these theories can endure for eternity, so they must change as our relationship with ourselves, each other and the lens through which we view and understand it all must also evolve.

Some people use tropical, or Vedic
Different house systems, focus on inner or outer planets, focus on asteroids, they don’t agree on why astrology works- some say it’s all nonsense
Etc

Lately I’ve become contemplative on how much belief (especially collective belief) itself actually shapes reality?
Nothing seems to be a one way cause—>effect event, just like you can’t define a person or relationship by one aspect alone.

My opinion and observation thus far is there is not one objective truth that is the same for anyone- we all have to find our truth and our lens that makes the most sense to us. So I’d suggest- look into it- find your lens and be open to others doing things differently. There is often wisdom in unexpected places ❤️ Much love y’all
Keep digging for your truth

OS* » Jessijessi504 Thanks for sharing your perspective,

personally, I connect much more with my vedic sidereal chart. I´ve found vedic has been so much more useful for me in the last 3 to 6 months than tropical has over the last years.

Vic DiCara is a tropical astrologer who uses nakshatras. . .

Jessijessi504 » OS* That’s awesome Vic is a Vedic astrologer who uses tropical signs - at least that is my understanding

I love any information that gives me a peek at the secrets of the universe 🙃
Lately I’ve been diving into solar return charts and I’ve found some really interesting things within them- some predictive things: like my dads health declining and car accidents for friends( thank goodness they are all ok!) and a cool relationship that arrived this year for myself
I use the tarot also, but I’m very eclectic.
Some people don’t like so much info, too much to sift through. I’ve found many things tend to be redundant in a birth chart- like look look this is important! And there are many layers to any astrology
I’m glad you found what works for you ! That’s great!!!

OS* » Jessijessi504 I think tarot has a mix of both numerology and astrology. I don´t believe the "techniques" are as established as astrology though,

Im not sure I understand how mixing two systems together could amount to any accurate results. for example using Nakshatras with tropical western placements.

"Some people don’t like so much info, too much to sift through."

I don´t think that´s it. Most people just like to choose what works for them. mixing both systems together just creates a bunch of mumbo jumbo, only causing confusion or bewilderment, imo.

Jessijessi504 » OS* That’s a valid perspective and you are certainly welcome to it.
Tarot is useful for current scenarios and motivations of the players involved. It is complimentary. I don’t use tarot and astrology for the same things.
I identify with my tropical personality description and tendencies.
I have been studying the nakshatras to deepen my understanding of these placements and the story of my life’s path as it is Unfolding.

That said, besides using astrology primarily to understand myself and what energies are currently at play, I’ve made accurate predictions using tropical with placidus.

Of important note, is that the aspects between the planets and points are the same, they are just framed differently.
I think both can work and i enjoy talking to various people here who practice one or the other or both. And many people who practice one are interested in the insight the system they don’t know can perhaps show them.

I prefer to remain open minded, because there is always much to learn and observe. It doesn’t confuse me or seem superfluous, but I don’t expect to have the same experience as the next person. Cheers

Check out Vic’s YouTube if you get a moment, even if you don’t agree with his style, he is really astute at unpacking lots of wisdom from the vedas. He seems a bit more philosophical than KRS Perhaps. I enjoy KRS also

OS* » Jessijessi504 thanks. I´ve checked out Vic Dicara´ youtube channel. is really not my cup of tea.

Jessijessi504 » OS* C’est la vie.
I’m glad you found what speaks to you, that’s rad.
Cheers!

Datta108 Namaste the Kp systems approach has been used sometimes along side Traditional Parashara Jyotish and as a stand alone method. My teacher would sometimes utilize some aspects of it but not always.

Imo astrological knowledge should be used to help others who are struggling and suffering in this material world and the only criteria that should be used is "does it work"?
That being said,"works" imo means does the system(s) that are being used give accurate results for the person,practically speaking.

In other words, is the astrologer actually giving correct predictions about future trends and events,yes or no??
That was always my object in seeking astrological advice, what will happen in a given amount of time, either the astrologer is right or wrong,and just like the cold hard concrete of New York, I wanted cold hard factual predictions about my life not personality traits, character analysis, likes n dislikes etc.. Others might not be interested in that aspect,some can´t handle the consequences of possibly knowing future trends and others dont even think its possible to predict anything ,so to each their own....

So looking at it from a very predictive pragmatic perspective, the proof in the pudding is in the eating, whatever system that is utilized should be able to accurately predict actual events and circumstances for the person consistently. Of course being able to do that or locating someone who can is exceedingly difficult and is where Gods grace and divine dispensation come in🙏🕉

OS* » Datta108 Very true, thank you Datta

I really not familiar with Kp system but I did do a little research after Alex mentioned in this tread. Im not 100% sure but doubt it is based on Placidus house system. nonetheless, Kp is not something Im quite ready to explore, well for now anyways.

Datta108 » OS* Yes better to stick to one modality and to learn its rudiments completely preferably by a living teacher, than to jump all over from one to the other.
Traditional Jyotish also has a few different branches like Jaimini and Tajika etc..that are not as popular as Parashara´s ,imo learning Parashara Jyotish from a spiritual teacher is the easiest way of excelling in Jyotish...