Vedic Astrology - Discussions, questions

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Check KRSChannel on YouTube

Kisses Claire Nakti. VL Astrology. Joni Patry. KRS. Simon Chokoisky

Aren Levi https://www.youtube.com/user/…

Great astrologer

and living example of free will used through D1 - his chart is like it belongs to a serial killer or a spiritual guru. His free will took him into spirituality and good deeds

He talks about it in some of his many videos but i cant remember which it was.

i also recomend watching videos about house rulers in different houses which he makes.

2s » moonlike00 Me too. I feel very wronged looking at things from a Vedic astrology point of view, because everything I´ve taught myself of my own positions basically all change. And I related heavily to all my tropical astrology placements, so whenever I look at Vedic and it´s basically just the sign before except my Saturn and Venus stays, I feel like identity becomes especially evasive. Nakshatras interest me though, and I want to learn more about it ahahaha

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One astrologer I follow (who uses tropical but uses Vedic techniques) made a suggestion once that maybe tropical shows you the current situation and what an individual is born with, while sidereal shows you what is to be done or the yearning of the self - but for him, as he stated many times, always uses tropical.

2s » Seanfhear What´s the astrologist´s name? I´d like to check out their content, thanks for telling me c:

That´s a very interesting perception.

MichelAngelo Practice shows that the sidereal zodiac allows you to look deeper into the cosmogram (for example, check the hidden dominion and planetary submission through the insight into the position of celestial bodies in nakshatras and their padas). While the tropical zodiac is focused mainly on the description of external features (egotic creation of one´s/someone else´s "I" within specific cultural patterns), the analysis of the birth chart based on the sidereal zodiac is able to show this hidden, at first glance invisible side of the human psyche - the emotional sphere, the inner world, that is, roughly, who the person to whom a given chart concerns really is. It´s not by chance that the Moon, not the Sun, plays the key role in the vedic astrological system.

Many of Jyotish elements found their way into European astrology through Ptolemy and Hipparchos. One such element is the concept of juncture, which in the West mainly refers to the positions of the planets in a given cosmogram at the edge of signs and/or houses (drishti grahas/bhavas). However, the juncture also discovers the basis for the traits contained in the archetype of each zodiac sign (drishti rashi). This is most clearly seen when a synastry list of both natal charts is compiled - the one based on the tropical zodiac and the one based on the sidereal zodiac. Then it can be seen that, for example, for Leo, who is thirsty for applause and praise, the basis is the sensitivity characteristic of Cancer (which in this case takes the form of fear and frustration in the face of the lack of attention), and in turn the basis for Cancer plunged in the world of his own emotions is typical of Gemini inquisitiveness and ambiguity, leading to introspective excursions, etc..

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Well, do you understand Arabic? :) I follow two of them who ventured into sidereal (and said they do get some fine results with it) but at some point they turned back to tropical (but using vedic techniques).

I can give you their channels (in private) but ... it´s all in Arabic :)

2s » Seanfhear Alright! I can´t understand Arabic sadly though :´) I´ll try translating or looking up words, if you really want to understand something you´ll find a way lmaooo

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hehe ok though i think it´s quite hmm hard (if not impossible) but i will send the links in DM

LotusStar » MichelAngelo “the analysis of the birth chart based on the sidereal zodiac is able to show this hidden, at first glance invisible side of the human psyche - the emotional sphere, the inner world, that is, roughly, who the person to whom a given chart concerns really is. It´s not by chance that the Moon, not the Sun, plays the key role in the vedic astrological system.”

interesting post, I wonder about this as well

Vedic seems a spiritual maybe higher self perspective chart and tropical is more ego identity based but I also find it fitting

Tropical is more tied into the Sun’s movement as the central element, even placidus is centred on Sun’s illuminating path

Ex my ex was a Taurus Sun/Rising/Venus … In sidereal all that goes into Aries but nothing else could account for all the very obvious Taurus traits he exhibits… from his sensual and tactile side, his big love of food, and artistic side, his obsession with quality and being so money minded, stubborn to change…. It was Taurus through and through, it didn’t fit with the Aries exclusively chart.

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since when have you been trying to get into vedic astrology ?

I just find it a little odd since about 2 weeks ago you had wrote that tropical has become a "stable part of your life and was hesitant to adapt sidereal astrology."

perhaps if you find it´s "false or unclear", maybe because western tropical is more for you ?

MichelAngelo » LotusStar I dare not say with certainty whether, as you say, it didn´t fit (I would have to see the full his chart for that), but let me give you a hint: the Aries archetype includes such qualities as unparalleled sacrifice in the name of professed values, enthusiasm (or impetuosity) and self-centeredness subordinated to the need to exist in the world. Focus on oneself, expressed by strenuous efforts to maintain one´s own image in the eyes of others, is a motivation for striving to meet the conditions that make it possible - and luxury, prosperity and the abundance of resources are, at first glance, perceivable and respected determinants of an individual´s value, situating it in the upper ranks of the social pyramid.

2s » OS* I´ve always had the intention of understanding the parts of Vedic astrology that aren´t in tropical astrology. For example, nakshatras. I´m not willing to transit to my planetary positions from tropical to sidereal, that´s what I was implying, apologies if it was unclear :´)

Aren Levi » LotusStar try to forget signs and understand that his taurus/aries fall both into one and same nakshatra.

also - have you checked his D9 which shows true dignity of his planets ?

It does not matter if he has 4 planets in same sign --- When there is one dominating planet that overshadow rest.

I was once defender of tropical being as good as vedic BUT nahhhhh

signs may share same nakshatras but house systems and house positions make huge difference too.

In whole sign - Rulers of houses sitiing in other houses show so much !!

Tropical was made to cloud peoples mind from sideREAL astrology.

and saying of "Sun iluminating path" might be huge paradox and trap - remember Sun is also ego and only through death of ego you can see the truth.

Give your ego power and you will be blinded.

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"I´m not willing to transit to my planetary positions from tropical to sidereal, that´s what I was implying, apologies if it was unclear"

sure. no worries. tropical can work.

though, I will never agree that Castor and Pollux are in sign of Cancer. Nakshatras aren´t applicable to tropical system.

rohini moon » MichelAngelo This is true what you say about the Arian archetype. Focus on themselves is apart of their path in this birth. I know a person who is Aries rising, their focus in this life is all about wealth. Higher status in life, and their legalistic achievements. A very self-serving individual with no base in the spiritual realm because it has no materialistic value.

as for Vedic - from K.N Rao´s own words

"Jyotish is a dazzling living tradition. It´s very name means ´the science of illumination´. Rao explained, ´Practiced lovingly it takes you through all stages of yoga, from yama and niyama (personal ethics) to samadhi (deep meditation) from vedanga (spiritual technology) all to Vedanta (Spiritual wisdom). It´s purpose is to destroy negativity and encourage hope. The best of astrologers are yogis even today"

I´d recommend it to everyone.

2s » MichelAngelo Thanks for your reply on my forum. That was a very interesting perspective, and informative too :)

2s » MichelAngelo This is a very valid point, the one you made about the connection towards prestige and luxury/material goods. However, I will have to say that the Taurus nature is more humble with their material goods as are all earth signs, they subtly show off their tastes and position in society but are less inclined than Aries with drawing direct attention towards it. Additionally, Aries may not be as good with money and with earnings (although ambitious) as they tend to impulsively spend their earnings quickly.

As they are more self-centered, it is less likely they perceive social classes and prestige as an important part of their identity like Libra or Capricorn would.

MichelAngelo » 2s It´s impossible for me to disagree. After all, the Aries archetype can be expressed in the word "I am", and Taurus in turn is guided by the slogan "I have".

Sus » 2s If you look to astrology by a psychological point of view, yes you can identify yourself as per tropical chart.
But vedic isn´t about that, or at least not the main subject. For what I read, vedic is more like a guide to your life. Its more about fate or karma brought to this life. I understand that you are not into vedic. It took me more than 4 years to surrender to it. I jsut refused and it is very hard to umderstand. But after I pay attention to planet´s real position I changed my mind. My moon, mercury, jupiter, saturn and venus are not in my tropical signs. I have doubt about sun and ascendant just because...they don´t fit neither one or the other. Not because description but because constellation´s boundaries. My sun is clearly in ophiuchus but is not considered a sign. Too bad cause sun is out of scorpio and sagittarius limits.

2s » Sus yeah, there aren´t a lot of sources for vedic astrology unfortunately. in my opinion, that only adds to the hesitancy of looking into it. i guess you can say i´m kind of more fixed in my mindset, which is another thing, i will essentially be losing upon shifting to vedic (the fixed dominance). i´m not that willing to switch to vedic in terms of positions. it´s essentially shifting everything and all the time you spent learning about yourself, as you´ll basically become all the signs before your sign, save some retrograde planets or planets that are near the end of their transits. however, the aspects of vedic that are new from tropical i´m willing to pick up :)

additionally, yes, i have heard that vedic is the more spiritual path, and i have thought about it, but tbh i don´t think i relate to any of my vedic signs in a spiritual sense the way i do with my tropical placements. usually i´m a pretty spiritual person and will self reflect, but i just don´t see it.

ah yes, the elusive thirteenth zodiac sign. it would shake the entire system too :´)

2s » stellium12 thanks for the article. i´ll look into it. i also agree my tropical placements describe me well, however the only line i do draw is i don´t really relate to the passive-aggressive position of libra mars.

your slower approach into learning vedic astrology is pretty advisable and agreeable in my opinion! it´s kind of my plan to ease my way into developing vedic astrology into my mindset as well, but for me i want to focus more on nakshatras and their influence/significance.

as for the focus on the moon, a lot of people have told me that about vedic astrology, as well as vedic astrology being a more spiritual path compared to tropical. however, i have to say i don´t relate to aries moon in sidereal at all. in tropical astrology, my moon in taurus in the first house is already my most influential planets, making the most amounts of aspects only behind my sun, leading the locomotive line pattern in my birth chart, being in the first house in general, and ruling a good amount of planets. i relate to and hold on tightly to all the traits taurus moon has, and aries is dramatically different than taurus.

that´s also the case for me, vedic astrology points towards me having a fast tendency in falling in love quickly, compromising in terms of having a lot of passive planets such as dominance in virgo and libra sun, and finding relationships more as intellectual, which don´t apply to me at all.

thank you! good luck to you too, and additionally i hope your early family life didn´t have a destructive effect on your life. you seem to have turned out fine, but you can never tell online.

Hermetic Dreamer Great discussion, all of you have given me a lot to think about.