Moon conjunct pluto - Discussions, questions

ellllisa I have moon conjunction pluto, I will follow the topic.
I just read a little bit, I´m in doubt, does the moon of hades only need the conjunction moon and pluto, or does it also need to be in the 8th house and in scorpio?
I just read an interpretation of a writer with moon of hades and about the moon of hades at the time of madie´s disappearance.

Krystaljane9 » ellllisa Great idea, I really don´t think there is alot of information online regarding this conjunction, it will be great to find out more!

Emanuel Read this :

"MOON-PLUTO ASPECTS: THE DEEP WELL

You are a deep well when the Moon is conjunct, square, opposite, sextile or trine Pluto in your natal chart; a deep well of emotion and intensity. Since the Moon rules our emotional responses and Pluto is a planet of extremes and complexities, you have an inner life that could be called tumultuous. You feel things profoundly and your needs are never simple or easy to understand. Getting to the
bottom of your emotional life is like peering down into that mysterious well. It’s dark down there
and you don’t know exactly when or how you’ll get to the bottom. But, you have this lifelong task of learning how to process all of your feelings in a way that will truly make you feel safe and comforted. The problem is that your idea of comfort is not exactly nice and easy.

In fact, you are more comforted by intense experiences in life, something that you can feel strongly within your gut. Because of this, Moon-Pluto people can believe that they possess a need for drama (which is false) and act out this desire very compulsively. It causes you to fall into toxic, painful, or turbulent experiences on a regular basis. The self-destructive streak is definitely strong with this placement. This is usually very evident with the conjunction, square, and opposition. However, even those with the sextile or the trine can drink their own form of poison and believe that it’s somehow good for them. The Moon is the irrational side of us, after all. So, even when you know better, it can be hard for you to break out of these patterns that make you a tormented person, set you up for heartbreak or terrible pain, or ruin good things in your life.

This all stems from the conditioned rapport with the mother figure in one’s life. It’s not something everyone wants to hear but it must be said: just like some Sun-Pluto people can have a terror for a father, many people with Moon-Pluto aspects are plagued with a monster of a Mom. Not always, of course, but it is a common pattern and should be addressed just for the sake of healing and awareness. In this case, the mother was abusive toward the child, on some often covert level. She

held some sort of frightening psychological power over you, making you feel suffocated and like nothing was secret or sacred. Feeling so controlled and invaded by Mom contributes to you feeling this compulsion to always control your emotions (which you’ll soon learn is essentially impossible) and keeping so much to yourself.

Yet, there is also usually a love-hate attachment to the mother while growing up, even when the situation is unhealthy and painful. You might have loathed her with as much fervor as you adored her, with either extreme being hard for you to understand. Moon-Pluto individuals certainly have very complicated relationships with their mothers. With Pluto representing death and loss, the
maternal parent also could’ve died at some in the upbringing or abandoned the child. Even with the Mom alive or present, there is still some strong fear of abandonment. This makes it hard for you to need people without going to extremes about it or having some sense of paranoia surrounding the connection. In the case of the toxic mother, there is an unconscious belief that develops that makes it hard for one to trust the support of other people. You can always suspect people of having terrible or evil intentions that they’re hiding from you. It’s hard to move away from such suspicions and it takes consistent self-discipline to do so. If not, such feelings will compulsively rise to the surface and end up destroying good connections with people who just wanted to love you.

It also needs to be said, though, that this placement doesn’t guarantee that you’re going to hate your mother or have an evil mother. There are also many Moon-Pluto individuals who have wonderful relationships with their Mom: empowering, rich, and passionate in a healthy way. The mother, however, will be fiercely protective (and, strangely enough, you can even see this in the
case of the Mommy Dearest types). She’s the kind of parent who will kill to protect her children. Due to this intensity, a part of you may have always been scared of her, even if the relationship was a good one. Similar to Sun-Pluto people who have healthy bonds with their father figure, with this

aspect, if your mom was good to you, it’s probably because of how she suffered in her own upbringing or past. In either case, the maternal parent went through Hell at one point, struggled with her own trauma. It’s just a matter of whether or not she used that pain to transform in a positive way, serving as an admirable example of power, or if she succumbed to those demons and created a Hell on earth for other people. It’s not an either or situation, though, because she could’ve lived life as the latter, at one point, and then shifted into the former.

This is a form of tremendous power that is passed down to you. You have to make a choice when it comes to how you deal with and use your trauma. You can either become a stronger, wiser person because of it or you can allow yourself to be consumed with all of your emotional issues. Moon-Pluto energy usually gives a person a lot of issues to work out and since it all goes so deep, it takes plenty of work to unravel it all. Again, how do you get to the bottom of the deep well inside of you?
Introspection will be required, which will involve a brutal kind of honesty with yourself in regards to what you’re feeling and why. With this placement, emotional awareness means confronting every single emotion that rises up inside of you, no matter how terrifying or forbidden it all may seem.

Some people with this placement can be scared of the darker emotions that they experience, particularly those with the square or the opposition. The conjunction makes one more at ease with this shadowy energy while the aforementioned aspects can resist or shy away from much of it. But, eventually, it will all come spilling out very destructively. You sometimes feel like a monster yet you need to know that this monstrous part of you is often being driven by fear, by need, by a yearning for love. It’s said that anger is only another expression of pain and hurt. So, when you get down into the very depths of what you feel, you’ll realize that this scary rage or obsessiveness inside of you is only stemming from the part of you that wants to feel loved or protected and that didn’t, in some way, during your childhood. You cannot run away from the unpleasant parts of your upbringing. You’ve got to be honest about it all in order to function emotionally.

There can be other Moon-Pluto people who are more so scared of their vulnerability and their softer
side. A signature of this aspect is a very driving need for control. We’re dealing with very
unconscious energy here, so it can drive you so much that you don’t fully realize it. Being subjected to so much volatility or instability as a child has instilled this notion that you’re only safe (Moon)
when you’re in a position of power (Pluto). However, you have to know that being able to enter into states of vulnerability or letting go is another expression of power. Instead of bottling up your emotions or believing that you have to control them, you have to remember that your emotions are your strength. Being able to feel things on such an intense, powerful level is part of what makes you strong. Therefore, expressing these emotions or revealing them is not a weakness. Those with their Moon in aspect to Pluto can come off as truly calm and controlled, all while they’re boiling or dying on the inside. Trying so hard to contain your emotions, though, only makes them stronger and
stronger, leading you to either explode or implode when you can’t hold them in or back anymore.

In order to overcome this pattern, you have to recognize the power your mother has held over you in the past and still may be holding over you. If you’re still letting her control elements of your life, she still has the power. If you still cannot forgive her for certain ways in which she’s hurt or mistreated you, she still holds the power. Even if you have a Mom who means well and just wants the best for you, she can be such an overpowering influence that you feel too dominated by her.
You have to look within yourself and recognize the power that you possess: through your emotional intensity, your intuitiveness, your insights into situations and people. Your mother passed this down to you in some way but it is yours. So, you have to use that energy to not “take the power back” but to realize that you already have that power and it cannot be taken from you. This stops her from being an overwhelming presence, because you will be in charge of your life, and also from you obsessing over her potentially bad mothering, as you are a formidable mother to yourself.

Moon-Pluto types experience the feminine in a very powerful manner. Women with this placement are particularly fierce, with the ability to be either amazing, empowering alpha females or femme fatales who are not to be trifled with (possibly switching from one to the other, depending on their mood). That is, if they have truly owned their power. Otherwise, they’ll find themselves in situations where they feel powerless, degraded, even abused, until they come out on the other side and realize just how incredible they are. Meanwhile, men with Moon-Pluto energy feel their feminine side very strongly. There is something much more mysterious, complicated, or sensual about him than the average man. They drip with a certain femininity yet in a way that isn’t deemed as “weak.” These men typically don’t have some sort of superiority complex with women. They don’t see them as the weaker sex, often because of their formidable mothers (Moon-Pluto people also usually come from families that are very female-dominated with strong women all around). If he is interested in women, this can create some power struggles yet also a deep respect for women.

Being so formidably feminine gives you an easy access to the Divine Feminine. It’s just a matter of letting yourself go to that place. This influence makes one a natural-born witch. By the way, witch is a gender-neutral term and applies to both men and women (don’t say “warlock” ever, it’s inaccurate and offensive to many). It’s also a word that can conjure up stereotypical images of evil and danger and terribly dark forces, reminiscent of stereotypical profiles of Pluto placements. But, there are
many ways to be a witch, just like you’ll come to understand that there are many ways to express your intensity. You could potentially go to that very dark place of no return. Yet, you must be wise enough to know not to go there and use your power in a healthy, healing way. The occult is deeply comforting for a lot of Moon-Pluto people. It allows you to utilize your perceptiveness to understand the mysterious workings of the Universe, to hone and cultivate your immense power for good, and to understand just how much you can transform your life and others’ lives for the better; all things that you inherently need because of this placement.

There are many ways to be a practicing witch and the fact that you study astrology is already a form of it, as long as you’re using astrology as a guide toward deep empowerment, higher awareness and positive change. You could also focus on manifestation and any sort of rituals needed to cleanse you of negative energy or send out the right intentions. Maybe you’ll even veer toward doing spells of some kind. Since your energy is so powerful, it can either be highly destructive or incredibly creative. The choice is up to you. Even creativity can be a form of magic for you, if done with the proper mindset, as it’s so intuitive and mysterious and such an outlet for you in terms of ridding yourself of all of the accumulated emotions that can block you, cripple you, make you sick. There is a reason why a lot of folks with a Moon-Pluto aspect inherently resonate with being a witch or magical. Some may say it casually or humorously but it holds a lot of truth.

Your ways of nurturing and protecting others and yourself are pretty uncanny and spooky. You tend to know just what’s going wrong with someone, without any words, and can naturally use your advice, insight, or presence as a healing balm. You can create an unnerving force field of protection around yourself or others, either through your intentions or the way you strike back at the offender. When you have someone’s back, you do so wholeheartedly. So, Heaven help the person who tries to mess with them or, for that matter, with you. You’re more than capable of cursing a person who has ill intent, either through fierce disapproval or exposing all of their weaknesses via some sort of confrontation or telling off. These are the many ways in which you can be a “good witch”, using your inner power to eradicate negativity. However, you also must come to recognize that there is
still a “bad witch” within you that has to be sublimated in some sense. You’re all too familiar with
evil and know it exists within you. Just don’t let it consume your being.

You also are very aware of how much evil exists within other people. People cannot hide their
innermost secrets and their darker selves from you. It’s something that you just pick up on without

even trying. You can plumb the bottom of other people’s emotional wells just as much as you do your own. This makes you hard to fool or lacking in naivete about who people really are, unless you have some Neptune aspects that get in the way. But, you would rather know that stuff, anyway.
You feel more at ease with people who know and accept the uglier, messier, or scarier parts of
themselves. People who just act like everything’s fine all the time or who can’t engage in deeper
self-examination tend to alienate you, making you feel like you’re too much for them. This is another reason why you can keep so much of your inner life so private. Even when you’re more “open”, you’re still going to have plenty of secrets. This only draws people to you more, as there is always something within you that people have to discover or unravel.

So, others can fall into your deep well quite readily, not knowing until it’s too late, while some can be kind of scared of you because of this quality. But, it contributes to the raw magnetism you have that’s also driven by your strong sexual energy. Pluto is erotic and animalistic in that way and when blended with the deep needs of the Moon, you have a highly sexual nature that constantly is looking for a release. The key is allowing this energy to flow and not blocking it, which could be easy to do because it’s so overwhelming. It magnetizes people and sends out strong, primal signals to people, whether you embrace it or not. So, it’s better for you to just go with it, seeing it as another form of power, which it is. For you, sex is a vehicle for real, hard-hitting emotional intimacy and also for healing of yourself and others.

You might find that much of the pain that plagues you is because you haven’t completely embraced or come to terms with the true depths of your sexuality. Many Moon-Pluto people feel connected to their sexual energy since the earlier parts of their childhood and can internalize a lot of the
messages of it being “inappropriate” from that time, as well. But, this only gives just as many with
this influence the need to express that, no matter how taboo or discomforting it is for others. Since there is such a raw emotional charge behind your sexual expression, letting your feelings flow will

allow you to feel sexually freer. Conversely, sex can be a cathartic release for your emotions, which means that any sexual encounter, no matter how casual or committed, hits you very deeply. You also have a way of making your sexual partners feel at ease in terms of fully expressing their hidden desires, seeing it as another form of intimate comfort you can give.

Moon conjunct Pluto: Having the conjunction means you experience your emotions in the most intense, complex way and are also the most secretive about what you feel. Yet, all the pain you endure only makes you an amazing survivor and a formidable being. You’ll eventually emerge as the Supreme, the fiercest witch of all, as long as you use your power with correct intentions.

Moon square or opposite Pluto: With the square or the opposition, you suffer from a lot of emotional repression, avoiding the demons that plague you until you can’t afford to anymore. This can lead to breakdowns and push you to the psychological edge. You have a lot of inner transformation to do until you truly come into your power, which will make you a magnificent force to behold.

Moon sextile or trine Pluto: Since you have the sextile or trine, you’re emotionally intense without going overboard with it, much of the time. However, you are still capable of being too obsessive, resentful, or stuck in a dark place. This is why it’s important for you remember your strength and your ability to transform whatever is in front of you or within you.
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ellllisa » Krystaljane9 I just read a few things about this aspect, I´ll leave the link in case it might interest you.
https://theastrologyplacemembership.com/…
http://maddiemccannmilliondollarbaby.blogspot.com/…

Krystaljane9 » Emanuel Wow what a fantastic insight on the moon conjunct pluto, Thankyou for this - all of it is relatable especially the mother link. Although she was present physically, she was unsupportive and cold. I mostly brought myself up as a child, grew up very quickly. I feel over the years I have had lots of emotional issues to work on, still ongoing but I have had so many positive transformations throughout, its an ongoing theme for me, but I do look at it from a more spiritual evolved sense now. I am very creative as well so I can relate to this helping me to evolve and my work revolves around magic and mystery!

cubic Didn´t like the "natural born witch" larpery , but the rest of the text was pretty good.

At some point some years ago I was a bit tired of having to watch what I say to not get under people´s skin and / or transform them negatively, so I tried, and I guess successfully forfeited that power to transform / impact others.

Maybe I´ll reclaim it later in life when more of the quirks of that configuration are sorted, but it´s just not in my values or desires to be so helpful or having to be so insanely careful with how I say / word things, and what energy there is behind it on daily basis.

cubic » cubic https://www.scribd.com/read/…

Few chapters preview of The Hades Moon book, rest can be read with signing up for trial. Don´t remember how good the whole thing was, read it too many moons ago.

Also a solid meme

Emanuel » cubic The author is queer lgbt witch shit, so it s understandable why he use "witch power" so often. It s a trend

Krystaljane9 » cubic Yes I can totally relate to the ´watch what I´m saying´ so many times I have said things and thought oh dear I have really put my foot it in moments.. I am very careful in case things I say might get musconstrude.. I think it stems from thinking and speaking so deeply that I come across as too much, too harsh. I really can´t do small talk.. That´s me, anyway!

Aren Levi it gives your Moon a flavour of scorpio energy, but aspects are not stronger then actual placements

Tratak From my point of view, doesn´t matters so much what an aspect give you, but what you need to do having an aspect.

Moon conjunct Pluto requires you to give up efforts to have the power. To learn the humility that the true owner of the power is only God.

Krystaljane9 » ellllisa Thankyou I will take a look at this! ☺️

cubic Here is some from that same book I linked to, taking requests for other Moons if there is interest, I´ll copy / paste here.

HADES MOON IN LIBRA
The drive for the Moon in Libra is toward relationship. Self-worth is measured in terms of other people’s opinion of oneself. It is a romantic Moon, much given to glamor and beautiful surroundings. Everything has to “feel right,” Libra seeks harmony and avoids conflict—at any cost. In order to feel comfortable, the Libra Hades Moon will adjust, adapt, and compromise too much.

This is not a Moon that feels comfortable without a partner. The urge is toward someone who will “make a whole,” someone who will complete the half-person who is seeking the relationship, a relationship which is by its very nature symbiotic. Even if the other person does not really “feel right,” the relationship may continue with Libra trying to adapt and make it fit, at times with traumatic results. Although well disguised, there is something very, very dark indeed at the heart of the Libra Hades Moon, and it is usually projected out onto, and reflected back through, the partner. This Moon can become obsessive and compulsive, totally submerging itself in order to be in relationship, no matter how unfulfilling. What it most fears is being ostracized and cut off from social interaction. Because of its own unacknowledged darkness, Libra can often act out the Pluto archetype for other people, pulling them down into Hades to “meet their doom.”

The Libra Moon is the people-pleaser. Born out of the need for other people to like them, Libra Moon people will put their own desires to one side. Eventually, of course, these unfulfilled desires explode into awareness, demanding to be met. Sensitive people trying to deal with a Libra Hades Moon will be aware of this hidden potential for violence, feeling that the Libra Moon’s niceness is not to be trusted. There is an added Plutonian dimension, a “malignant niceness,” about the Libra Hades Moon. The person with this fawning Moon will be whatever the other person wants, at the same time subtly manipulating and maneuvering the partner to gain support, approval, acceptance, or whatever. The fear is: “If my partner knows what I am really like, I will not be loved.” Or, the fear is that if the partner does not feel good, then the whole world will collapse. This Moon is extremely uncomfortable with other people’s darker emotions, and will do all it can to avoid dealing with them. Indeed, with all the indecisiveness of Libra, the Hades Moon in this sign will often let other people play out all that it has never got around to acting out.

Lunar food: What the Libra Hades Moon craves is admiration, adulation, and harmony, with success nourished by beauty. Everything must be “nice.” Immersed in peace, Libra feels nurtured by partnership. But what the Libra Hades Moon most needs is to find those inner qualities which make self-nourishment possible.

Mother: What the Libra Moon seeks from a mother is peace and harmony in a beautiful environment. The mother, symbolized by the Moon in Libra, is pleasant and relaxed. She does all she can to provide a comfortable home. What the Hades Moon in Libra fears is that mother will turn out to be not at all nice.

Archetypally this is one of the “nicer mothers.” It is Demeter before Persephone is snatched, or after she has been returned. We can, however, glimpse shades of the destroying face of Demeter in the darkness that lies at the heart of Libra. There is a peculiar selfishness: nothing is allowed to disturb the emotional equilibrium. It is important to the mother represented by the Libra Moon that her child is liked and accepted by everyone, which may mean that the natural tendency of the child with Libra Moon toward compromise is reinforced by parental approval. The child needs to be approved of, and so adapts to whatever mother wants. The Libra Moon mother archetype would much rather that the other parent dealt with unpleasant matters so that disciplinary threats are usually on the lines of, “Wait ’til your father gets home.” By the time he does, peace and quiet has returned to the family, but nevertheless to a child with the Libra Hades Moon, the father may well be an ogre figure.

Healing: Libra Hades Moon healing comes in harmonizing and balancing one’s own needs with those of other people, effecting a creative compromise that meets both sets of needs. It also comes through being a complete person in one’s own right, not needing someone else to make oneself whole. When the Libra Moon finds personal inner equilibrium, there is no need for external approval. This Moon is then able to be honest and truthful in expressing feelings.

Potential: To become a whole person who can relate from a position of emotional equilibrium.

Emanuel » cubic Interesting.also,it can be downloaded from zlibray

https://b-ok.xyz/book/5910936/…

rohini moon » cubic hell hath no fury like a child´s illustrative depictions of being born into a Moon-Netherworld configuration.

Sunnyshadow » Emanuel

here. Interesting and pretty accurate. It´s one aspect I keep coming back to.

I watched a vid a few days ago calling it "one of, if not the, most difficult aspects to have"

It´s a doozie.

Sunnyshadow » Jaided 🤣

Just give it some time 🤣🤣

Just kidding, of course

Sunnyshadow » Jaided That´s good. I hope it all goes according to plan (or maybe not, 40 is pretty old to be living at home :61)

My mom was not as terrible as the article made it out to be. She tried, in her own way. It wasn´t perfect by any means though. We are still friendly with one another, and try to show love. But it´s not a typical mother/son relationship. There is a distance there. Her and my older brother get along much better, and I´m glad of that.

She was a little controlling as we were growing up, but I´m so firey and strong willed, I eventually broke her of that habit. With me, anyway.

I wish things could have been better between us, but such is life. Astrology actually helped me understand part of what was/is going on. A little bit of consolation anyway

Krystaljane9 » cubic An interesting read! 👌☺️

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I have Moon trine Pluto and absolutely love this aspect. It can be intense and challenging sometimes but I am glad my moon is in Gemini I’d say it makes it a bit easier to pick myself up from very dark states and helped me to do personal studies and research on many psychological issues. It’s also in the12th house and opposite Neptune.

Krystaljane9 » Ksuwaves I agree, the moon pluto placement can also be a blessing as well.. I have overcome many obstacles and life chalenges but I still have a long way to go.. Life is so interesting as well as I can get to the darkest depths of things, its certainly isn´t a shallow existence and makes for an interesting roller-coaster!!