Pluto definitely the ruler of Scorpio?.. / Or a 3rd planet

July 22, 2021 at 13:03 (UT/GMT)
(Libra) Veri935
Pluto definitely the ruler of Scorpio?.. / Or a 3rd planet
With or without Mars. Or is there possibly another main ruler? Other than these two options (that modern and traditional astrology approaches have not been able to agree on)

After reading about this issue I am wondering if both traditional and modern astrology “may” be wrong in attributing either Mars or Pluto to Scorpio. After all there are other dwarf planets, perhaps there could be a third option?… possibly

Also I’ve read that Virgo and Libra may have other planets ruling them possibly too

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July 22, 2021 at 13:50
(Aries) JayJayAstrology
Well, there is, as usual, debate among astrologers regarding Pluto rulership. But generally, yeah, it is widely considered that Pluto is the modern ruler of Scorpio and Mars is the traditional ruler of Scorpio. I personally look at both. Mars is of course, a personal planet and will speak more about the personality - and Pluto is a transpersonal planet - some call it a universal planet, and will speak more about Soul´s intention - or the evolutionary intent.


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July 22, 2021 at 14:53
(Aquarius) viv » JayJayAstrology
I agree Jay Jay.

As an example I have Scorpio rising, traditional chart ruler Mars, but Pluto’s on the MC and more strongly placed. Pluto soul intent and ruling Asc when I’m focused, Mars energy to take initiatives in everyday life, get stuff done, defend myself etc
July 22, 2021 at 17:09
(Aries) JayJayAstrology » viv
July 22, 2021 at 18:20
(Leo) cubic
Let´s say Mars rules it 70-75%, the rest goes to Pluto.

I think about it that way anyway, until the debate settles. Various Mars transits I can observe have effects, I´m a Scorpio Ascendant, so that one is definitely a legit, primary ruler, imo.
July 22, 2021 at 18:38
(Virgo) LotusStar
Pluto is said to be primary ruler and Mars is secondary. But more day to day I notice the Mars transits more, also when I discovered about the phases of invisible and visible it explained a lot.
July 22, 2021 at 19:31
(Taurus) Rosincvist » cubic
One of the exciting things about the Twenty-first century is :160: exhaulted in :182: & then :171: after that early Taurus shall have Charon repeatedly eclipsing Pluto!
July 22, 2021 at 19:58
(Cancer) ZynCitrus » Rosincvist
Why is Pluto exalted in Pis? End? I´m generally confused about assigning rulership and exaltation to planet that we haven´t even follow one full circle. Just saying.
July 22, 2021 at 20:21
(Taurus) Rosincvist » ZynCitrus
Everyone is more conservative than they usually are with :199: erschel in :172: the :66: era under way!
The short life of Edgar Allan Poe was marked by never having to experience :160: out of exaltation!
Joseph Smith Junior would be a good subject in this matter for someone unafraid of religious reactionism!
The Babylonians used Pluto and quite a few circles around the :27: have happened since that time!
July 22, 2021 at 20:45
(Cancer) ZynCitrus » Rosincvist
I really have hard time to understand you... as usual.

can you just in simple lines explain why is Pluto exalted in Pis? Yes I can google. I just wonder about reasoning.

p.s.the question is how much did we really wrote down in that time. Psychology is pretty much individual, so we can´t just lean on historical global events, and global changes are written by winners/conquistadors/people in power, church people... not too high percentage of literate people i those times ... I´m quite skeptic. I have right to question things.
July 22, 2021 at 21:30
(Taurus) Rosincvist » ZynCitrus
Their is a fringe group who calls :160: the `esoteric ruler´ of :182:
That is the closest thing to real sense from them!
There is the dispute that only none or one exaltation is ode to any planet!
Queen Victoria´s chart looks a little better than it would otherwise be when you consider :182: the :108: !
The :182: :160: 484 listed among the famous at Astro-Seek are a particularly talented bunch IMHO! The list is going to grow this century if enough people move to Greenland and Antarctica!
The :151: and :157: also have exaltations trine rulerships and they have less to complain about between them!
Maybe :156: by Jove as well!
July 22, 2021 at 21:45
(Virgo) LotusStar » Rosincvist
In a way I can see why Pluto would be exalted in Pisces because Pluto likes to hide and remain unseen, wants to have power and influence but from behind the scenes. Pisces having Jupiter influence and boundless sign was can make their power abundant and have wide reach while remaining hidden. Have seen this a bit with ppl with 12h Pluto they can have a lot of inner power or abundance of hidden ressources which are not immediately obvious and so appear less threatening (at first).

I´ve also heard some say Pluto exalt in Virgo which I don´t get... Perhaps the precision of Virgo can harness the power more effectively and if used for good can be healing.
July 22, 2021 at 21:51
(Cancer) ZynCitrus » Rosincvist
I still don´t understand you..sorry

How it´s possible from my point of view is that pluto is endings, and Pis rules endings loses. They are both associated to mistery and the unknown. Pluton in 12 is usually guilty of life full of addictions and mental illness. So in that way I can see connection. But Pluto is fixed, cruel, fear and terror, and Pis are mercy, mutable switching, hope... I just can´t get it.
July 22, 2021 at 23:54
(Pisces) fishscales
Mars and Pluto both rule Scorpio.

I don´t think it is ever wise to discount a traditional or a modern ruler.

I believe anyone doing so has an agenda.

(backing their "system", etc.)

There are systems and schools of thought, and then there is reality.

Always let your intuition guide you, instead of going along with this or that "club."
July 23, 2021 at 04:21
(Libra) Veri935 » LotusStar
Sorry I should have illustrated my thoughts a bit more clearly.

I should have added that I was wondering if both traditional and modern astrology “may” be wrong in attributing either Mars or Pluto to Scorpio. After all there are other dwarf planets, perhaps there could be a third option?… possibly

Also I’ve read that Virgo and Libra may have other planets ruling them possibly too
July 23, 2021 at 04:22
(Libra) Veri935 » fishscales
Yes so says modern astrology. (Though also obviously Pluto was not known about in ancient times)
July 28, 2021 at 11:10
(Scorpio) Random Stranger
Doubt it. Just stick with Mars. This is coming from a Hades Moon.…
August 17, 2021 at 00:06
(Aquarius) viv » ZynCitrus
Pluto is about stripping away the uneccesary, including illusions, its akin to Kali worshipped because she delivers from illusion.Pluto isn´t gratuitously cruel. Before we can become who we are we have to let go the cuddly blanket of infancy so to speak.
August 17, 2021 at 01:26
(Taurus) Rosincvist » Veri935
Zecharia Sitchin back in the aughts and pre-millennium would differ with you as to Pluto´s ancientness! We gave such nice names to rocks in the asteroid belt that we have had to name some Kuiper Belt objects after Graeco-Roman horrors! That is one problem with giving a new planet the rulership of :178:; It would release the :122: :123: :122: :121: :122: :123: :122: :121: :122: :123: :122: :121: :122: :123: :122: :121: :122: :122: :123: :121: :122: :121: :122: :123: :122: :121: :122: :123: :122: :123:
August 17, 2021 at 18:13
(Sagittarius) jaderosez
Honestly I would say it is. Now I wouldn´t do predictions with it like for example, I would solely use the dispositor of a scorpio house as mars. But it is and I´ll tell you why. The reason why pluto was known as ruling scorpio or having a similar energy is because of what themes were prevelent when it was found (nuclear bombs, porn industry booming when pluto was in scorpio etc).

Astrology podcast had a discussion on it. Pluto in the first is also found to be prevalent in prostitutes.

Also, I´ve actually done research on countries that are stereotyped as having women be witches or places where witch craft was present. Moon-Pluto seems to come up a lot.

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