other monogamous / non hook-up placements ? - Discussions, questions

nikkia It´s so refreshing to see someone who isn´t crippled up over being single!
Someone who is happy and secure within themselves!

I can so relate to what you have written. I don´t judge others either, but there´s something in me that is very serious about intimate relationships and loyalty. I cannot overstate how precious this is to me.

I´m not much of a chart reader and have no clue what aspects would determine ones willingness to engage or not. Generally, I see gender more of an indicator than planets - although I´m sure some planetary configurations can add more energy to the natural drive endowed by hormones.

But we both have planets on IC. That´s what is private.

For me, the moon is there - so it has to ´feel right´ before I can even dream of intimacy with someone. This happens --- rarely! I don´t care how fabulous someone is, or how much they may be interested in me. If I´m not feeling ´it´ - it won´t happen. Even if I feel ´it´ - if there is the slightest doubt in my head, it won´t go far, either... a kiss perhaps. The kiss tells me all I need to know.

You´ve got Saturn on the IC. That´s a STOP sign. Or at very least a SLOW DOWN warning. Responsibility and right timing comes to mind. So does commitment. And Maturity. With your Sun and Mars in Virgo, you might be rather ´discerning´ and there´s nothing wrong with that! Good for you! Being willing to wait for what you want is smart. It´s also nice know that you won´t die without it, either!

Perhaps someone else can try to explain the astro reasons that influence intimacy but really - does it matter? Do YOU. You´re happy. I´m happy. Nothing wrong with knowing what you like and want - and that you´re willing to wait for it.

You´re so young yet.
There´s a ton of time ahead to experience such matters. When the time is right, you´ll know it.
Until then, keep enjoying your amazing independence.

Astro-Seek.com System message: Post has been written by user windinthetrees, who already deleted profile on this website:
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After reading your post I immediately thought of the asteroid named after the Greek Goddess Artemis. She is one of the ´virgin´ Goddesses which doesn´t mean she never had sex, rather she was whole and complete within herself. While she might choose to be with a man, she did not need one for completion. Pallas Athena is another ´virgin´ Goddess. The asteroid Artemis in your chart is 12LI18, this is conjunct your 7th house Mercury, and they both trine your asteroid Pallas Athena.

Also the Roman version of Artemis is the Goddess Diana. She is 7LE16 in your chart which puts her conjunct Jupiter which is oppossed Neptune and these two create a wide T-square with 7th house Venus.

I have had many and various life and love experiences. Artemis is oppossed my Venus, and Diana is in wide conjunction with Venus. Diana is less than a degree conjunct my IC.

Artemis is one of my favorite Goddesses, I sometimes feel like an embodiment of her. She is widely conjunct my MC. Other Goddesses on my MC are Irene, Goddess of Peace, and Metis, a titan and 1st wife to Zeus, goddess of wisdom and deep thought. (Saturn is also up there). My Artemis and Diana are in a wide opposition.

I did not look at the other asteroids in your chart. I was just trying to pinpoint the ones that might pertain to your post.

h1028nnas » nikkia I really love your response! I do feel like my sun and mars in virgo makes me fit the "prudish" virgo stereotype to a T, but I don´t have a problem with it hahaha. Being young also gives me a lot of optimism for the future, as I have plenty of time for relationship experiences that won´t be affected by teenage decision-making and things like that.

I didn´t know that about the IC as well, so I look forward to learning and discovering more about the private areas of my life! I think you are totally right about the idea of commitment and maturity being huge for me, especially when I think about how what it seriously means to be in a relationship with someone. Once again, thank you for the response :D

astreo I don´t know if it has anything to do with what they mention about Saturn, but
I have an ascendant in Capricorn and my Saturn in the 4th house.
Before I was HIGHLY CONSERVATIVE, in fact I had a hard time associating with people my age, I felt uncomfortable, I felt more comfortable with older people.

nikkia » windinthetrees It´s so interesting that you mentioned Artemis ! I strongly identify to this archetype.

How did you calculate Artemis´ placement? I don´t see an option for her.
I´d love to know where she lands in my chart.

rohini moon "I have been asked out on dates and have been in many intimate situations"

" but I´ve never had my first kiss and am still a virgin"


I´m confused...

h1028nnas » windinthetrees Wow! I´ve never really looked into asteroids (other than Juno, I believe), but you have piqued my interest further !! I feel like that T square with the venus, neptune, and jupiter have really felt prominent throughout my life recently actually. While I don´t see myself in a full relationship with /that/ kind of intimacy anytime soon, I do feel that the square I have with my venus and neptune makes me EXTREMELY susceptible to romantic delusions and making myself believe in fake futures for myself and my crushes! It´s interesting to see how Artemis can interact with that!!

h1028nnas » rohini moon LMFAOOO . . . Every time someone has tried to kiss me, I always dodge it / change the subject / avoid it hahahaha . Even being asked for a hook-up, I´ll consider trying things out for a little experience, but I usually shut things down pretty quickly, because I often don´t feel truly ready for any huge steps or anything.

Astro-Seek.com » nikkia System message: Post has been written by user windinthetrees, who already deleted profile on this website:
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I have a SolarFire astrology program on my computer. It is currently quite expensive but I have had mine for many years. This link will let you find any asteroid you have a number for:

https://serennu.com/astrology/…

Artemis is 105
Diana is 78

Here is a link for asteroid numbers:

https://minorplanetcenter.net/iau/…

Even SolarFire only has about 1000 asteroids in its database.

rohini moon » h1028nnas Do you think you could be gay?

Not judging, and I´m not being facetious. Genuinely wondering if that could be a reason?

nikkia » windinthetrees Oh Thank you! I found their locations in my chart:)
Man, the stars don´t lie !

It´s so odd to me that Artemis and Diana would be separate.
Are they interpreted differently? If so, why?

h1028nnas » rohini moon That could be a possibility, as I used to have intense crushes on female friends when I was younger, but recently, I have had many more male crushes. I don´t have any current experiences with girls to base anything off of really, but I´m not ruling bisexuality out though ^^

nikkia » h1028nnas You´ll have double the options if you are Bi

Hey Ro, give the girl a break... She´s young and there´s no rush!
She´s still a kid!

The first boy who planted a kiss on me got his nose bloodied!
Sent home.
Crying.
That little jerk! He´s lucky that´s all I did to him!

Meanwhile there were other girls ´dreaming´ of him kissing them.

Not everyone wants this sort of thing in childhood.

rohini moon » h1028nnas "That could be a possibility, as I used to have intense crushes on female friends when I was younger, "

I thought it may be in the realm of possibility based off of your descriptions. Thanks for understanding I was genuinely asking. May be helping you get to the bottom of your question - no astrology perhaps needed? Never know.

Astro-Seek.com » nikkia System message: Post has been written by user windinthetrees, who already deleted profile on this website:
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There are many mythologies out there. The astronomers ´pick´ whatever they want, there had been tradition to use mostly the Greek and Roman Gods and Goddesses, but there are way too many asteroids, now astronomers use places for names, their own last name, their pets names. The biggest and brightest asteroids usually were discovered first. Diana at 78 was found first. The Romans had some of their own Gods/Goddesses but they also brought in some of the Greeks and adapted some of their stories, so there are very close parallels.

GREEK ROMAN
Demeter Ceres
Proserpina Persephone
Apollon Apollo
Hera Juno
Hestia Vesta
Minerva Pallas Athena
Artemis Diana
many more...

So why are they separate and what do they mean?
I do not know?? The myths of Artemis and Diana are a little different, but they seem to be the same basic archtype, but I imagine it would take more study to discern what exactly they each mean. I don´t think any asteroid or planet matches the myths exactly. I don´t know how to interpret them as two different types. My Saturn almost exactly opposses Diana, so that is no help in me trying to figure it out.

The inner core of my being (Diana right there at IC) is totally aware of some restriction, limitation, oppression (by Saturn at MC), but Artemis escapes by 5 degrees from exact conjunction (up at the MC) AND is within about a degree opposite Venus which is about 7 degrees from IC.

I´m not exactly sure what it all means in the details, but it feels right.

I know more about Artemis. Goddess of the wilderness, of the hunt. She carried a bow and arrows. She is the patron Goddess of conservationists. Many, if not most of the Goddesses were Goddesses of civilization. Artemis preceded this. THE earth Goddess. Zeus was her father and he granted her freedom, the bow and arrow and hunting symbolized her independence. She was not dependent on men. She was a twin, Apollon her brother. Most all of this translated to Diana.

I would love to know what differences there are in interpreting their asteroids. In my chart Saturn wants to have a say so with both of them. Which, I just realized, for a time I really was a bit of an embodyment of Artemis, that could be due to Saturn. I had the authority of Artemis. I literally lived in the wilderness, hunted with a bow and arrows. And at the time I knew some mythology, but had not heard of either Diana or Artemis. I was responsible for being Artemis. I´m thinking out loud here, but this was true. But this is just one part of my being and this happened long ago, one chapter of my life, but the archtypes of Artemis and Diana are strong in me.

So I have both near my vertical axis with Saturn. And Venus. The archtype got real literal for me. Years later I believe I found a progression setting the whole thing off.

I am now looking and waiting for the asteroid of Harpo (as in Harpo Marx) to be discovered or renamed. I know this one will be prominent in my chart!



Star Trek transporter beams. Artemis and Harpo got transported at the same time and got merged on the way. Sounds ridiculous but it is an accurate way of describing myself.

nikkia » windinthetrees Thank you for such a thoughtful reply. As a kid I was in love with Greek Mythology. I recall being so angry when I learned that the Romans stole the system from the Greeks and changed the all names! So, Roman names get under my skin. A pet-peeve!

I read a really interesting book (the *female* author and title escapes me at this late hour) written by a Jungian who took all the Greek gods and goddesses and broke down the psychological make-up of each one.

Although I felt echoes of Hestia and Athena - I am Artemis at my very core.
I know a lot about her. And, not many woman can feel her energy... so I get very excited when I come across a fellow ´sister´!

Or in this case, ´sisters´! Two in one night. Wow!

We do operate differently than society would prefer.
We can be an enigma to other women as well. At least we ´get´ each other!

And thanks to your posts - I know where Artemis is in my chart. MC!

Hahaha....I think God is Harpo Marx!
Only a god with a sense of humor would make us as we are.

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Reality check, You are still young. For sure you have other priorities in life. I have 4 sisters when they are at your age of 18 they are all busy with their studies. You still have lots to grow to be a fine woman someday. At the right time and place, the right person will come to steal your heart away. Be prepared coz life is never easy and love can never be that pretty. Consider yourself lucky when that time comes goes well and easy for you. We the soon to be old people here wishes you luck.

LotusStar Don´t let society dictate what is right for you. It has taken love and commitment out of the equation but it doesn´t mean you should if that doesn´t sit right with you. And it definitely doesn´t for everybody, so you´re not alone.

That being said, just looking at your astrology, I noticed you have Mars square Pluto, so I wonder if there is any subconsious fear behind this for you. If it´s not a question of fear of intimacy or something like that you feel is holding you back and it´s just because you haven´t found someone you feel like doing that with yet, there is nothing wrong with that. Plus, Virgo tends to have high standards... there is a pickiness about the sign. So having Sun and Mars in Virgo can also make you very picky about men in general and who you want to be physical with. Just saying... I have Mars in Virgo too, I know how that goes, but keep that in mind so you don´t eventually miss out on a good person either because of too high expectations.

h1028nnas » LotusStar I was raised with a very "No Sex/Dating Before Marriage" kind of background, so I actually often asked myself if it was that childhood "fear of sin" that made me so "prude-like" ! Looking internally, I feel that I would actually still have a similar attitude towards casual ONS / hook-up intimacy even without that kind of background though. Mainly because of the placements in my chart haha . Luckily, I have met other people my age who also have that kind of commitment-focused mindset towards relationships, so I don´t think all hope is lost or anything :D

Astro-Seek.com » nikkia System message: Post has been written by user windinthetrees, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Congratulations! I myself would not know who I was without Artemis energy.

I have met a few people who have understood me, or at least understood me more than most. I can think of two, and strangly both of them were men, but men who loved wilderness and more importantly loved strong independent women.

Yes, I would say many of the Gods and Goddesses have a sense of humor, and likely Source Energy too.

I think Bambi is Harpo!! But I am still looking and exploring the asteroids.