Dodecamatoria - Discussions, questions

fishscales Division of each sign into 12 signs.

It´s a Hellenistic astrology thing, and I´m no expert on Hellenistic astrology.

I know that the first division of each sign will begin with the sign that it is, ie, the first division of Libra will be Libra, the second, Scorpio, the third, Sag, etc, with the 12th and final division being Virgo.

I suppose this would give more depth to interpretations of planetary placements, like a more fine tuned version of decans.

Not sure what role it plays in predictive work, if any.

I always thought it could have value in medical astrology since each body part/system is represented by each sign. (in this case, within each sign)

For instance:

An afflicted Mercury in Virgo could lead to trouble with the bowels that is rooted the mind...if Mercury were in the Capricorn subdivision of Virgo, maybe those troubles would also manifest through a skin condition... Or digestive malabsorbtion that would somehow effect the bones...

Or maybe I´m just thinking too much...

GerdaHuber81 » fishscales I´m also trying to learn more about this method...it seems to be quite hard..

luis7 » GerdaHuber81 Bonjour oui tres employe en astro horaire. C est la 12eme place dun astre das un signe de 30 degre chaque division de 2degre 5si mercure est le maitre du signe par exemple tu trouves la duodecomarie en partant de mercure ds le sens des planetes. Cela renseigne sur ce que pense la personne.

peti » GerdaHuber81 Vedic astrology works that way.

iris70 Duads/Dwads/Dodecatemoria are quite important in astrology for many reasons, one of which is chart rectification. Another important factor is that if you already have a precise TOB, you can see similarities in family charts eg ASCs in two members in the same Duad of a sign. It is amazing how they match. Another thing is in twins and this explains the difference in appearance/character, as the ASC moves quite fast, so a few minutes difference in TOB can offer a different Duad, so a different life focus and appearance-of course the moves quite fast too, so it may form some different aspects, even minor.

I won´t say more on that, I don´t consider myself an expert on them. I have collected a few sites/articles to find out more about them and also how to calculate them.

https://www.astro.com/astrowiki/en/…

https://www.melpriestley.ca/how-to-…

https://aliceportman.com/calculatin…

I hope I have helped a bit.

hyepark3 Hello,

I´m still learning and don´t have much experience with real natal charts, but I was taught that the purpose of the twelfth-parts(Dōdekatēmoria) is to further qualify the condition of the planet or house cusp.


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Here´s one of the quotes concerning Dōdekatēmoria

Paulus Alexandrinus5

22. Concerning Dōdekatēmoria (Twelfth-parts)

The dōdekatēmorion of the benefics contributes much whenever it falls in the zōidion where the Sun, Moon, or star of Hermes is, or on one of the four pivots, the Lot of Fortune or Spirit or even Necessity, or on the prenatal Conjunction or Whole Moon. For through this theory it will be necessary to distinguish the fortunate, long-lived and blessed. Just as when the dōdekatēmorion of the malefic stars falls in the zōidion where the Sun, Moon, or star of Hermes is, or on one of four pivots, or on the Lot of Fortune, Spirit, or Necessity, or on the prenatal Conjunction or Whole Moon, it points out labourers, those unable to acquire property and cursed, since it sets down short lives, violent deaths, sufferings or feebleness.

-Paulus Alexandrinus and Olympiodorus with the Scholia from Later Commentators – translated by Dorian Greenbaum and published by ARHAT 2001

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- So, if the twelfth-parts of benefics are placed upon the luminaries, 4 angle points(especially ASC and MC), lots(especially the lot of Fortune and the lot of Spirit), and syzygy(prenatal new moon or full moon), it is considered as a very fortunate signification. But if the twlfth-parts of malefics are placed upon such stars or points, it is considered as an unfortunate signification.

It´s only one of the quotes. it seems that 12th-parts of benefics and malefics can add their influences to the natal planets and points.

I was also told that 12th-parts of planets or points placed upon benefics/malefics/significant points/good or bad houses can give us some clues about the native. So, I think it is one of the considerations we have to assess, but its purpose is to further qualify the condition of the planets or points.

That´s how my teachers use twelfth-parts in their practices.
I hope it helps.