Jupiter rising in libra in (virgo) 12th/piscean house - Discussions, questions

JayJayAstrology Anni, didn´t you post a question about this same thing before? Seems I recall replying to it.

Jupiter is no more combined with Virgo planets than any other planet in your chart . . . I mean, it´s in Libra and your Moon/Mars is in Virgo. Jupiter is conjunct ASC and by that virtue, more of a first house planet. Moon/Mars and Jupiter do not share any aspects.

So, just read Jupiter in Libra conjunct ASC. What does that mean? Read Moon/Mars in Virgo in the 12th. What does THAT mean?

Jupiter is the ruler of your North Node in Sagittarius and important in answwering, how do I heal my south node wound? Jupiter is optimistic, enthusiastic, goal-oriented, loves to learn and grow. It has a philosophical side - wants to explore the meaning of life. If you do negative Jupiter then you think too big and don´t look at the details on how to get there. You can be overly optimistic when relating to people and not see who they really are. You can be the glass half full and not consider the whole glass. You can be blind to your own or other people´s so-called "negative emotions" and judge them for not meeting your high standards.

Venus in the 9th can feel like a new beginning. It can be asking you to grow, learn and elevate yourself. It is the house of higher learning. It follows the 8th house of deep personal transformation and is like arriving at a new level of awareness and consciousness. However, it is conjunct South Node in 8th - and - so perhaps there is a balance yet to be achieved between digging down and investigating the inner world for transformation and lifting up to the new level. Perhaps the missing piece is Jupiter on the ASC. In Libra - it is about how you relate to others - what you do with the energy exchange you have with others.

Virgo Moon/Mars in 12th - what of Virgo do you need to let go of? Moon is feelings, Mars can be anger, defensiveness, aggression. Do you need to let go of self-doubt and criticism - anger toward yourself? Or what do you need to let go of that is the quality of Moon, Mars and Virgo?

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Anna239 » JayJayAstrology Perhaps something similar awhile ago, but I infrequently have asked related but not absolutely the same questions, to clarify whatever element I am unsure about through whatever opinions people may offer. For this one I´m just wondering how my Jupiter is positioned in relation to the rest of my chart/9th house>12th, being in the sign of libra but also the house of Virgo and although apparently linked to the ascendant. Well I have read things about Jupiter in the 12th house and also in libra but I think it changes things having two signs and my asc involved. If you think that the influence extends more on the 1st house I would am happy to consider this option, as I am considering whole signs anyway, thank you for you interpretation and the questions. Well perhaps I feel that I should learn to be less in control, emotionally and psychologically speaking, I could probably be more open as well in actual practice. I am still unsure unfortunately of how I relate/want to relate to others

JayJayAstrology » Anna239 Personally, I don´t see how Moon-Mars in Virgo, 12th changes Jupiter in Libra, 1st with no aspects between them. When planets are out of sign even if interpreted in the same house, even if they are widely conjunct, may not influence each other at all. Jupiter is so far from Virgo and your Moon/Mars that I would say you need to read them separately and not as if they are somehow changing the way you´d read them separately. At least, that´s how I see it.

People have two signs in a house all the time. If Jupiter were not conjunct the ASC I would think differently. Then I would say that Jupiter needs to express through Virgo, because Virgo is on the 12th house cusp and Jupiter is in the 12th - but conjunct ASC in a different, sign, I have to view it as a 1st house planet.

I definitely see Jupiter as a first house planet in this case. Your Jupiter is NOT in the sign Virgo. No matter how you look at it, it is not in Virgo.

Anna239 » JayJayAstrology Oh I didn´t mean so much a moon and mars connection specifically, although them all being in the same house doesn´t quite seem to be a coincidence after having noticed other people with many planets in one house as well. Just being in a Virgo ruled house might alter the libran context, this is what I meant.

I respect your perspective that it is in the extended domain of the 1st house. I actually wanted to know of these possibilities and it is interesting to hear your reasonings. Why is it then that it is even in the 12th though, if it has very little to do with it?

This also wpuld raise other questions for me, as I am unsure of the impact it actually has on me as a 1st house planet

May I ask the difference generally speaking between rising planets in the 12th and the 1st? And as we are one the nearly related topic of planets at the very end of houses, is my sun in the 10th ruled by the 11th? And my Saturn in the 5th by the 6th?