Most judgmental/least trusting signs/or sign combinations? - Discussions, questions

Anna239 » theycallmetym I´m thinking that possibly this could have to do more with having your third house in scorpio. This would mean that you demand transparency in communications and hate when people are mincing their words? Also my third is in Saggitarus so I prefer people to be as direct as possible and my mercury in cancer will become suspicious if given reason 😁

Anna239 » goldflower Thanks for your reply, I do understand what your saying very much, however also I think that firstly there are distinct characteristics for every sign/sign placement written about/and repeated on many astrology websites and different aspects contributing to certain effects. Additionally everyone has "negative" aspects of some kind or another unfortunately as well as positive.

We can only observe from experience and collect these observations.

Anna239 » goldenlion32 Mercury, Jupiter and Pluto. But also a Scorpio and Saggitarius stellium. Oh and her mercury is conjunct Pluto.

*just looking up her chart again, I don´t know if any of these aspects are relevant but she seems to have a lot of squares + planetary aspects between Pluto, Saturn and chiron

Mercury Square Saturn
Mercury Conjunction Pluto
Saturn Square Pluto
Jupiter Sextile Chiron
Sun Square Chiron
Saturn Square Ascendant
Venus Conjunction Pluto
Mars Sextile Saturn
Sun Conjunction Mars
Moon Trine Mars
Venus Square Chiron
Venus Square Saturn

Zephyrin » AIP I think it trines of Neptune generally give imagination and art talent if we talk about Mercury, Jupiter and Venus.

But if there are Sun or Mars aspecting to Neptune, I approach suspiciously.

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What about Mercury Trine Neptune? Also prone to lying?

Zephyrin » goldenlion32 "Maybe channeling that energy a lot into writing because I write a lot every day! Always been a prolific writer of some sort."

A wise thing to do use that energy for literature indeed, good for the tireless nature of Mars.

Zephyrin » N_thecat "Interesting...I have Scorpio Moon and I think it often works like a lie detector"

Oh, I have always dreamed of encountering an evolved Scorpio Moon in my life, you can be the one

"Mercury - Neptune aspects has many other disadvantages and because I´ve met many people with these aspects (squares,sextiles,oppositions), I must admit that Mercury - Neptune are one of the least favorite aspects, especially - it´s like nightmare.."

Even the conjunction of it is truly problematic. I know someone with that aspect trying to make all classmates love him constantly, and even he even lies to reach his purpose, do everything to be respected by others.

Of course he is an Aquarius Sun, Leo Moon and Virgo Ascendant. Mercury in Aquarius and Mars in Pisces... Yikes

Actually Pluto in 3rd, if used correctly, may give talent in literature. Just a theory.

Mars in 3rd is hard to deal with, I associate it with Mercury/Mars conjunction because they like each other a lot as far as I observed. May be highly critical, hurtful and sharp-tongued if not directed in a good way.

Zephyrin » theycallmetym "..stab the knife with your words."

Such a great phrase. No doubt you know how to stab people verbally with that Aries Mercury and Mercury/Lilith opposition lol

Zephyrin » Sunseeker They´re enigmas

If she is your mother, you´re lucky indeed. As an ex boyfriend, they are terrible!

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That´s also the truth. I always say what you do behind the scenes is more important then face value. You usually feel guilty when you are doing something you know you shouldn´t be doing.

But we all have human nature and a shadow side and screw up time to time. I never met anyone who didn´t lie.

There are times we use White lies just to be polite. Sometimes people dress bad, have body odor, bad make up, bad hair and we might have to work with them or go to school. Lol

I used to laugh sometimes when church ladies would gossip.

All you can do is try your best to be honest as much as possible. It is just the natural process we go through.

Although there are some who are chronic liars and deliberately lie. While some have mental disorders.

So you really have to pay attention to why someone would lie. I mean a lawyer tells you to protect yourself. A domestic violence counselor as well to protect self and children.

Police go under cover.

It is quite interesting to look at different angles why someone may lie. Even as a health care worker I had to say I cannot admit or deny I help this person.

theycallmetym » goldenlion32 Exactly.Be confident,no need to fear,lie.If you did something wrong,of course there will be some consequences.I think people who lie a lot just fear to face them,fear to face themselves,running away by their ego.Its also important how you was raised up as you mentioned.

rini chandra Eh I think anyone can be "least trusting" or "judgemental" no matter what sign combination they have. You need to look at the whole chart of the individual to get a complete picture of what would form that....

Just because you met one Scorpio/Sagittarius who was like this doesn´t necessarily mean another one would be. house placements, aspects and conjunctions could be nothing alike..

That being said, I don´t know what sign is the most judgmental but having Saturn exalted would make a person very judgmental, but In the correct manner. Just and fair. Balanced. But still Judging, if that arrangement lands in your first house - they would make a top notch judge

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I kind of thought I wasn´t sure about Taurus Sun either, since I have kid with Sag Ascendant, Jupiter in Sag, and Moon in Sag, Mercury in Gemini, and I always taught him to tell the truth no matter what they did, and I know last year there was mail box hit on accident. No problem telling the person. So, I think Taurus Sun isn´t necessarily accurate, depends on how you teach your children right from the start about honesty, and not making them feel guilty, shame, or blame for making mistakes, or being themselves, and just teach them to be honest, and talk about about why it was wrong, and never had a rebellious child doing it that way like other people who try to control their kid, threaten them, intimidate, and scared them to death for making mistakes.

I think people lie, because they´ve been conditioned to believe it´s not okay to speak their authentic truth, be themselves, make mistakes, fail, and often get abused for making mistakes. And then they lie because they fear getting into trouble or getting abused again. So, they go hide what they´re doing.

Sunseeker » Zephyrin The combinations of my mum you mention: Taurus sun , Aries mercury with Virgo Ascendant, no picnic in the park but a confused mess.. but then she has her 9 planets in separate houses almost making a hexagon .. its hard to decipher along with her mercury conjunct SN.

theycallmetym » Zephyrin Omg you just wrote there my chart

Taurus sun in 9th,mercury in aries,virgo asc..

Everything aside,i seriously hate lie,and liars,HATE.
(Not just in a way that every person will normally..)
At the same time,cant manage to lie..
Wouldnt say im a good manipulator,you need to be cold and patient,wait for the time and stab the knife with your words. If i think something i will put it into words instantly and purely,sometimes even naively

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Many Gemini placements are difficult, prone to lying. Mercury Gemini just saying.

Cancerman23 I would say I´m judgemental & very skeptical. I have a moon & Venus in Virgo. I tend to criticize myself & others. I dont see it as a negative though everybody can always do better. Scorpio placements I believe make people suspicious. Mars in Scorpio in my case

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Uranus opposition Mercury I know can be quite brutal with arguments, loves to start stuff!

Astro-Seek.com » Zephyrin System message: Post has been written by user goldenlion32, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Maybe so. I have always been kind of into the tools, methods, techniques, and possibly influenced by relatives since age 13. And while might have been a bit more wild during Saturn in Aquarius, kind of mellowed out in Saturn in Pisces when I had my child and just kept working on stuff, because I didn´t want to pass emotional and mental patterns on to them. Which has paid off when I see them now in 2020.

Maybe channeling that energy a lot into writing because I write a lot every day! Always been a prolific writer of some sort.

N_thecat » Zephyrin >"Taurus Sun, Scorpio Moon/Mars and Mercury in Aries... Besides their judging attitude, they are lie machine."

Interesting...I have Scorpio Moon and I think it often works like a lie detector

On the other hand I hava Mercury trine Neptune and I know that lying comes very easy to me. Of course I am adult and I can control it, but in the past I could do that even for fun Mercury - Neptune aspects has many other disadvantages and because I´ve met many people with these aspects (squares,sextiles,oppositions), I must admit that Mercury - Neptune are one of the least favorite aspects, especially - it´s like nightmare...


>"Pluto and Lilith in 3rd house... They know how to trick you, use words as weapons."

I agree with it in 100%. Pluto in 3rd house is such a tricky placement.

But it depends on which side you look from...

Pluto as a planet has such a bad reputation, it seems to me that most people looking at its placements in chart associate it with problems/struggle. The way someone deals with it is another, more complex thing, but thinking : "Pluto = problems" it seems that Pluto in 3rd is still softer than other placements and in my opinion it is one of the better placements if you own it, of course...Worse if you have to deal with them...

I understand what you mean - a conversation with someone who always tries to trap you, often even treat every conversation as a battle to win. That attitude is almost comical and meaningless for me, sorry...I agree with you - people with Pluto in 3rd can use words as if it was a game of chess

Mars in 3rd? I don´t know anything about that placement, really...

Zephyrin » goldenlion32 It seems you learned how to restrain it and use in a good way but other way it is a dangerous position for Mars, hard to evolve. Harsh aspects can make it crazier.

I myself have Mars in Cancer in 7th and still have difficulty taming it. It is also weird that its conjunction to Sun and North Node make things more difficult.

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I rarely get into people´s business with Mars in the 3rd. I don´t even hang out with a lot of people intentionally because I´m Introvert. If I do interfere it´s only if it´s a situation that harms others in severe way. I don´t even talk on the phone. Usually, I do stay out of other people´s business since it is the two individuals karma and dharma being worked out. Once in awhile some people do need a third person to mediate for certain reasons.

I technically don´t even like conflict! So may be dependent on whether they´re Extroverted I guess with Mars in Scorpio in the 3rd, or some other archetype like Mars in Gemini, Mars in Aquarius, Mars in Libra being Air signs. Maybe Mars in Aries because they love the conflict once in awhile. Mars in Leo kind of loves to start drama at times.

Zephyrin Taurus Sun, Scorpio Moon/Mars and Mercury in Aries... Besides their judging attitude, they are lie machine. Sun (9) is harshly aspected by Moon and Mars in 3rd house.

Mars in 3rd likes to interfere with the business of other people even if they have not that right.

Virgo ascendants... They can be sometimes unnecessarily harsh and inconsiderate to others, highly judgemental, I can not say they are dishonest.

Pluto and Lilith in 3rd house... They know how to trick you, use words as weapons. Latter words are also valid for Mercury/Mars conjunction but they´re not that bad as long as someone doesn´t mess with them.

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Mercury Conjunct Mars might be one.
https://darkstarastrology.com/mercu…

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Yes, you do have to have open mind since you attract the same energy, but in different combinations and really about maturing, growing, and learning to communicate more effectively. Learning how to use your personal power more in a balanced weigh instead of staying in lower consciousness and fighting and arguing all the time about anything and everything. Choosing your battles wisely.

But there are certain archetypes and planets that influence certain behaviors, but you always have a choice how you use that energy in an unhealthy or healthy way in relationships.