Jesus Natal Chart? What do you think of this? - Discussions, questions

IIyyaarr13 When I look at nineteenth century charts there are half a dozen asteroids who have lost accountability, was definitely a little different two millennia ago!
A U.F.O. in the East should probabely be added to the Jesus Christ speculative charts!

goldenlion32 » asterzod Oh...it´s a huge debate with all those charts! If he was only here to verify what is the right one! If he was here, he might even provide some random chart no one one ever thought about.

asterzod We can see several charts here:
https://www.astro.com/astro-databan…
My opinion is that the best one is this:

Alternative birthtime
Proposal of John Addey
Date 22 August 07 BC (-06) Jul.Cal. at 20:08 (= 8:08 PM )
Place Bethlehem, ISRL, 31n43, 35e12

In fact, the Messiah was waited for as the "Lion of Judea". The Magi started a long trip to find out him, as they saw non only the major triple conjunction Jupiter-Saturn in the Pisces (both Sign and Constellation at that time), beginning the Pisces Age. But they also they surely know that also it shall happen the rare configuration of 6 planets of 7 in their respective signs/constellations: Moon in Cancer, Sun in Leo, Mercury in Virgin, Venus in Libra, Mars in Scorpio, Jupiter in Pisces.
Furthermore, if the Ascendant was ai the 1st degree of Aries, and use the Equalis house system (or the Whole Sign house one), then the same planets would stay in their respective right Houses, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 12 in perfect order.
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goldenlion32 » Leo Moon If they had some kind of birth registration at that point, I imagine through the centuries it´s been destroyed, damaged, or may be by coincidence you might find it like the Dead Sea Scrolls. With technology advances maybe at some point they can get a clearer picture of what is under the earth in some places or find secrets places under the ground through archeology.

And then you probably have excavators that turn up graves all the time and stuff and either don´t notice or run it back over. Always a fascinating thing around the world how things are found.

Leo Moon I agree with Rohini. It’s not possible to find a chart like that at this point.

I seem to recall reading the case for Jesus being a Pisces.

Part of that I’m sure had to do with the Age of Pisces.

There’s many people born in the twentieth century for whom I can’t find accurate birth charts.

goldenlion32 » Promethean_Soul I agree. There´s no one here alive to verify information.

Promethean_Soul We dont know real birth time of Jesus and some believe such person was never born. Of course we have very little information about him. I know only about him , some probhets looked at star ´Deneb Adige´ mega star and anounced his arriving. I dont know this is true or not I like to observe star Deneb adige and constellation Cygnus. I guess some prominent astrologers rectified Jesus natal chart. I am not sure if it is true or not

goldenlion32 » hh This is what I´m getting at. This is more Warrior energy with Aries in Chiron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch/…

AphroditePrincess I likee your thread I don’t have any useful information ,but i did enjoined reading the comments i love watching or reading historical themes,but sadly a lot of the historical events didn’t even happened the way that are shown in some movies or books

Astro-Seek.com » goldenlion32 System message: Post has been written by user hh, who already deleted profile on this website:
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i think you are inadvertently making a case for the sidereal version, chiron in pisces. as pisces is the last sign, all about pain and the suffering through it without getting anything in return, the dissolution of karma, resurrection by faith. aries is the beginning, not the end.

chiron is currently in the middle sidereal pisces. we see the past wounding and much needed healing of the underclass, the forgotten people. we saw it first with the forgotten white mostly lower class and its result of trump getting elected (trump is their savior) and we see it now in this same country with the black community and their past wounds that have never really been healed, they too feel forgotten and marginalized.

goldenlion32 » MarvinReal This one has way too much Pisces and would make him escape life all the time. I don´t think he´d have enough strength to deal with the masses with all that Pisces.
https://www.alphee.com/a-the-life-o…

Astro-Seek.com » ElizabethP System message: Post has been written by user MarvinReal, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Of course he had temptations as well. Live a life for himself or get married. Many temptations. The strongest ones were to make a bread for himself from stones and feed himself. But that would be misusing divine powers for self satisfaction. The others were more tricky. Throw yourself from a roof and prove you´re a God´s Son, so if you´ll survive, everyone will immediately worship you and recognize you as a Messiah and the one sent from God. Another one, to rule and subdue all over human kingdoms and live happily, instead of being tortured and killed. Just for bowing once to the devil´s authority. None of those choices would fulfill the mission he was sent for. Passion is an original meaning for suffering.

goldenlion32 » ElizabethP Well Capricorn would be more the Ephesians that wanted to control him with the Ascendant. And Cancer would be the Spiritual Teacher or Leo Ascendant, so and would have been seen as a Spiritual/Religious Teacher, so that´s why I don´t agree with Capricorn. But I guess you can look at the initiations of the Cardinal Cross:

He was more on the Fixed Cross: Leo, Aquarius, Taurus, Scorpio I would think in some kind of combination. Since he was poor, went around living off other people as a bum according to 2020. The Republicans would abandon him because he´d be a democrat!

Which again the Scorpio is the Phoenix, which Jesus is the Phoenix. Death & Rebirth. The regeneration of rising from the dead metaphorically emotionally, mentally, spiritually, physically, sexually, and financially. So the 8th house then would be all that Jazz in the 8th house.

When you look at other Spiritual Teachers/Religious teachers there´s this theme with the Cancer/Leo Ascendant. And usually they do have a Libra Sun or which this chart gives him the shadow side of Libra Moon which would represent his mother.

Usually Mother Mary is affiliated with Cancer Moon, North Node Cancer, or North Node Aquarius if you look at the chart they have for Mother Mary. Which I guess her birth chart and Jesus´s birth chart shouldn´t be spread out too far if they were related or it would be really a Miraculous Birth.

https://www.astrotheme.com/astrolog…

Astro-Seek.com » ElizabethP System message: Post has been written by user hh, who already deleted profile on this website:
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thanks for the article, i would go with 5´9" as the only physical description we have in scripture is in psalms (if i remember), likening his appearance to a root, meaning sort of average and perhaps leaning on slightly ugly. if he was 6ft i would imagine it would be more commonly known either in scripture or through the works of josephus or historians of that time. even 5´9" would have used to be thought a stretch, at least to me, as most people think the people of this time were rather short. but i recently watched something about military requirements for roman soldiers, one of which is that the height should be around 5´9" or taller which puts it fairly close to todays average height, surprisingly.

goldenlion32 » goldenlion32 Wish I could find the video. Sigh..I watched it in 2018.

goldenlion32 » hh Because Aries in Chiron is ruled by Mars and he was beat pretty bad. You go through a lot of physical abuse, emotional abuse, mental abuse, spiritual abuse. As you can see a lot of weapons come out right now in the same transit and Military/Government, and Medical/Mental Health professionals are being wounded.

Aries/Scorpio is the Military/Spiritual Warrior and Chiron is the wounding.

Most of the Aries in Chiron Generation go through a lot of pain and suffering don´t let them fool you. They usually die and come back to life even just like Jesus. If you heard some of there stories with Virgo Pluto and Libra Pluto they´re tough because they go through so much trauma through their life time more so then other parts.

Scorpio Pluto might be close to the same traumatic experiences.

Aries is the Ram

http://christianastrologers.com/ACh…

Been awhile since I studied Christian Astrology, but Jesus is the lamb and Good Shepard. Pisces is the sacrifice.

Astro-Seek.com » ElizabethP System message: Post has been written by user hh, who already deleted profile on this website:
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his sidereal chart using given birth date:

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Tuesday, September 15 -6 (7 BC), 11:45 PM (Julian cal.)
Bethlehem > Bayt Lahm (West Bank), Israel
35.12E ; 31.43N / 2E20, 09:25 PM UT


Sun 23°26´ Virgo
Moon 12°29´ Gemini
Mercur 17°07´ Libra
Venus 8°08´ Scorpio
Mars 24°49´ Scorpio
Jupite 22°34´ Я Pisces
Saturn 21°45´ Я Pisces
Uranus 6°23´ Я Pisces
Neptun 6°29´ Scorpio
Pluto 13°21´ Virgo
Chiron 11°18´ Я Aries
Ceres 2°03´ Capricorn
Pallas 17°31´ Scorpio
Juno 16°39´ Taurus
Vesta 18°33´ Я Taurus
Node 3°25´ Я Taurus
Lilith 28°15´ Aries
Fortun 18°03´ Libra
AS 7°06´ Cancer
MC 20°45´ Pisces


Jupite Conjunction Saturn Orb 0°48´
Saturn Conjunction MC Orb 1°00´
Venus Conjunction Neptune Orb 1°39´
Jupite Conjunction MC Orb 1°48´
Sun Conjunction Pluto Orb 10°04
Sun Opposite Jupiter Orb 0°52´
Sun Opposite Saturn Orb 1°40´
Sun Opposite MC Orb 2°41´
Uranus Opposite Pluto Orb 6°58´
Pluto Opposite MC Orb 7°23´
Saturn Opposite Pluto Orb 8°23´
Jupite Opposite Pluto Orb 9°12´
Moon Square Pluto Orb 0°52´
Moon Square Uranus Orb 6°06´
Uranus Trine Neptune Orb 0°05´
Neptun Trine AS Orb 0°36´
Uranus Trine AS Orb 0°42´
Venus Trine AS Orb 1°02´
Venus Trine Uranus Orb 1°45´
Mars Trine Jupiter Orb 2°15´
Mars Trine Saturn Orb 3°03´
Mars Trine MC Orb 4°04´
Moon Trine Mercury Orb 4°37´
Sun Sextile Mars Orb 1°22´
Venus Sextile Pluto Orb 5°12´
Sun SemiSquare Venus Orb 0°17´
Saturn SesquiQuadrate Neptune Orb 0°16´
Venus SesquiQuadrate Jupiter Orb 0°34´
Neptun SesquiQuadrate MC Orb 0°44´
Jupite SesquiQuadrate Neptune Orb 1°04´
Venus SesquiQuadrate Saturn Orb 1°23´
Venus SesquiQuadrate MC Orb 2°23´
Mars Quintile Pluto Orb 0°32´
Moon BiQuintile Neptune Orb 0°00´


first thing i see is the great conjunction on his mc, in pisces!. pluto the destroyer opposing this conjunction on his mc, you will not assert religious balance (sat-jup) to the public (mc).
sun-ic: inner royalty, dosnt need to wear it outward.
venus conjunct neptune, no duh. haha.

its actually a very convincing chart, haha. although perhaps the finder of this chart wanted his sun to be in leo and thus used the tropical zodiac accordingly. it would also put his moon in cancer, both of those make more sense. i wonder if the chicken came before the egg or what. nevertheless, i like the aspects which will be the same in either tropical or sidereal chart, very convincing.

ElizabethP » hh The Shroud of Turin - which is still in play for being probably authentic - has Jesus at between 5´10" and 6´ tall. The 6´ tall is what the early church (first two hundred years) also said about Him.

Here is the document from the Shroud people on His height.

https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/…

Astro-Seek.com » hh System message: Post has been written by user MarvinReal, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Yep, even the Roman Catholic church is admitting that date of birth of Jesus is unknown and that it wasn´t in late December. Check terms "Christmas", "Easter", "Birthdays", etc. Every denomination and faith group has its own encyclopaedia, so refer to multiple sources, preferably in combination with secular sources.
https://www.catholic.org/encycloped…

ElizabethP » MarvinReal I would think his birth chart would reflect his mission and his lifes work - which were not ordinary. He had no inner temptations and no karma to work through like we do. He had temptations from outside (as seen in the 40 days in the desert story) but not from the inside from sin. No wife. No kids. Just the mission. That´s pretty direct. Full of compassion and mercy. That´s not ordinary. Working miracles. Etc. I´d think a chart would reflect all that. It maps out pretty well.

Even his death could be on the chart. Many believe the cusp of 8th house and placement of pluto denote clue to the manner of death. The one chart I did for that time given had pluto sitting on the 8th house cusp in Virgo. Empty 12th house. Full 8th and 9th ... I´ll see if I can figure out how to post it ...

On the outside = ordinary.
But the life map I´d think would show very differently.

But as I said .. it´s all speculation.

Astro-Seek.com » goldenlion32 System message: Post has been written by user MarvinReal, who already deleted profile on this website:
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None of those charts can be accurate. Certainly not any of these attempts.

Astro-Seek.com » goldenlion32 System message: Post has been written by user hh, who already deleted profile on this website:
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wow 15 different charts. astrotheme says he was 6´ tall, haha. probably default setting.

why is chiron in aries considered brutal? i imagine chiron-aries generation to be much more forthright in their overcoming of wounds. not unlike chiron-mars aspects, one of my favorite combinations.

speaking of aries, i remember watching a special on the history channel, when i was a younger, about the ´shroud of turin´. whether its legit or not, i dont really care, i just remember thinking ´wow, he looks like an aries´. haha.

ElizabethP » goldenlion32 This is the chart that the author put up.

I plugged the info into a BC natal chart site and came up with
a different chart. I don´t know how to load it here.

The date was picked because Herod died in 4 BC. Jesus had to be a few years old at the time of that death. He also had to be born in the fall, according to the way the John the Baptiser part of the story goes. It´s very specific on when the father of John The Baptiser learns that he is to be a father. That gave the general mid to end of September 7BC time frame.
The 15th and the time were picked based on astrological charts .. as best that I can tell.

If someone wants to plug in September 15, 7bc, 1145pm, Bethlehem ...
and put that chart up here ... please do.

Astro-Seek.com » hh System message: Post has been written by user MarvinReal, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Important is also to notice that all those roughly 50 persons mentioned in those two articles on this topic were all historical persons and all were absolutely sure that Jesus of Nazareth did existed as a historical person. It´s ridiculous that nowadays is quite modern to deny even this and burden of proof is placed on the opposite, so gathering of facts necessary to prove historicity and historical Jesus, alike historical accuracy of scriptural accounts.

I made a commentary on forum about killing babies in Judea. This too was predicted to happen.

Let´s check sidereal chart on those centuries around. Also, there is a possibility that Tropical chart was used too, because Indian astrologers, and perhaps Chaldeans and Egyptians too, "forgotten" about the precession for few centuries, and realized that error much later, after about 6th century CE, I don´t remember exactly. Although, in Europe such change back to Sidereal didn´t occurred since then. I am saying that the Magi of the East might have been using either Tropical or Sidereal at the time around birth of Christ. I would like to find out transits back then.

goldenlion32 » hh Well there´s a chart that they believe he is an Aries in Chiron Tribe since it usually is quite brutal. Fortunately, there´s a few different charts. So whether any of them are accurate, I do not know.

https://www.astrotheme.com/astrolog…

https://www.astro.com/astro-databan…