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Jesus Natal Chart? What do you think of this?
August 25, 2020 at 23:01 (UT/GMT)

Jesus Natal Chart? What do you think of this?
Jesus Natal Chart? What do you think of this?
This is my first thread so be patient if I mess up.
This is all speculative of course. And I´m new at this.
But kind of fun to dive into. .
Everyone is curious and no one knows for sure.
But I read an article that makes a great case for
September 15, 7BC in Bethlehem at 11:45 pm.
This is the article. The date is based on the death of Herod in 4 BC and the age Jesus would have been when that happened, along with the very exact description of the events leading to the birth of John the Baptiser and the time his birth would have happened, etc.
https://astrologyresearch.co.uk/is-…
This is my first thread so be patient if I mess up.
This is all speculative of course. And I´m new at this.
But kind of fun to dive into. .
Everyone is curious and no one knows for sure.
But I read an article that makes a great case for
September 15, 7BC in Bethlehem at 11:45 pm.
This is the article. The date is based on the death of Herod in 4 BC and the age Jesus would have been when that happened, along with the very exact description of the events leading to the birth of John the Baptiser and the time his birth would have happened, etc.
https://astrologyresearch.co.uk/is-…


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September 12, 2020 at 19:05


A U.F.O. in the East should probabely be added to the Jesus Christ speculative charts!

September 12, 2020 at 19:01



September 12, 2020 at 18:39

https://www.astro.com/astro-databan…
My opinion is that the best one is this:
Alternative birthtime
Proposal of John Addey
Date 22 August 07 BC (-06) Jul.Cal. at 20:08 (= 8:08 PM )
Place Bethlehem, ISRL, 31n43, 35e12
In fact, the Messiah was waited for as the "Lion of Judea". The Magi started a long trip to find out him, as they saw non only the major triple conjunction Jupiter-Saturn in the Pisces (both Sign and Constellation at that time), beginning the Pisces Age. But they also they surely know that also it shall happen the rare configuration of 6 planets of 7 in their respective signs/constellations: Moon in Cancer, Sun in Leo, Mercury in Virgin, Venus in Libra, Mars in Scorpio, Jupiter in Pisces.
Furthermore, if the Ascendant was ai the 1st degree of Aries, and use the Equalis house system (or the Whole Sign house one), then the same planets would stay in their respective right Houses, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 12 in perfect order.
















August 28, 2020 at 15:35

And then you probably have excavators that turn up graves all the time and stuff and either don´t notice or run it back over. Always a fascinating thing around the world how things are found.

August 27, 2020 at 03:38

I seem to recall reading the case for Jesus being a Pisces.
Part of that I’m sure had to do with the Age of Pisces.
There’s many people born in the twentieth century for whom I can’t find accurate birth charts.

August 26, 2020 at 20:13

August 26, 2020 at 20:01


August 26, 2020 at 18:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch/…

August 26, 2020 at 17:19







August 26, 2020 at 16:03

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i think you are inadvertently making a case for the sidereal version, chiron in pisces. as pisces is the last sign, all about pain and the suffering through it without getting anything in return, the dissolution of karma, resurrection by faith. aries is the beginning, not the end.
chiron is currently in the middle sidereal pisces. we see the past wounding and much needed healing of the underclass, the forgotten people. we saw it first with the forgotten white mostly lower class and its result of trump getting elected (trump is their savior) and we see it now in this same country with the black community and their past wounds that have never really been healed, they too feel forgotten and marginalized.

August 26, 2020 at 16:03

https://www.alphee.com/a-the-life-o…


August 26, 2020 at 15:51

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Of course he had temptations as well. Live a life for himself or get married. Many temptations. The strongest ones were to make a bread for himself from stones and feed himself. But that would be misusing divine powers for self satisfaction. The others were more tricky. Throw yourself from a roof and prove you´re a God´s Son, so if you´ll survive, everyone will immediately worship you and recognize you as a Messiah and the one sent from God. Another one, to rule and subdue all over human kingdoms and live happily, instead of being tortured and killed. Just for bowing once to the devil´s authority. None of those choices would fulfill the mission he was sent for. Passion is an original meaning for suffering.

August 26, 2020 at 15:50

He was more on the Fixed Cross: Leo, Aquarius, Taurus, Scorpio I would think in some kind of combination. Since he was poor, went around living off other people as a bum according to 2020.

Which again the Scorpio is the Phoenix, which Jesus is the Phoenix. Death & Rebirth. The regeneration of rising from the dead metaphorically emotionally, mentally, spiritually, physically, sexually, and financially. So the 8th house then would be all that Jazz in the 8th house.
When you look at other Spiritual Teachers/Religious teachers there´s this theme with the Cancer/Leo Ascendant. And usually they do have a Libra Sun or which this chart gives him the shadow side of Libra Moon which would represent his mother.
Usually Mother Mary is affiliated with Cancer Moon, North Node Cancer, or North Node Aquarius if you look at the chart they have for Mother Mary.

https://www.astrotheme.com/astrolog…


August 26, 2020 at 15:47

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thanks for the article, i would go with 5´9" as the only physical description we have in scripture is in psalms (if i remember), likening his appearance to a root, meaning sort of average and perhaps leaning on slightly ugly. if he was 6ft i would imagine it would be more commonly known either in scripture or through the works of josephus or historians of that time. even 5´9" would have used to be thought a stretch, at least to me, as most people think the people of this time were rather short. but i recently watched something about military requirements for roman soldiers, one of which is that the height should be around 5´9" or taller which puts it fairly close to todays average height, surprisingly.

August 26, 2020 at 15:37

August 26, 2020 at 15:30

Aries/Scorpio is the Military/Spiritual Warrior and Chiron is the wounding.
Most of the Aries in Chiron Generation go through a lot of pain and suffering don´t let them fool you. They usually die and come back to life even just like Jesus.

Scorpio Pluto might be close to the same traumatic experiences.
Aries is the Ram
http://christianastrologers.com/ACh…
Been awhile since I studied Christian Astrology, but Jesus is the lamb and Good Shepard. Pisces is the sacrifice.


August 26, 2020 at 15:25

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his sidereal chart using given birth date:
Jc
Tuesday, September 15 -6 (7 BC), 11:45 PM (Julian cal.)
Bethlehem > Bayt Lahm (West Bank), Israel
35.12E ; 31.43N / 2E20, 09:25 PM UT
Sun 23°26´ Virgo
Moon 12°29´ Gemini
Mercur 17°07´ Libra
Venus 8°08´ Scorpio
Mars 24°49´ Scorpio
Jupite 22°34´ Я Pisces
Saturn 21°45´ Я Pisces
Uranus 6°23´ Я Pisces
Neptun 6°29´ Scorpio
Pluto 13°21´ Virgo
Chiron 11°18´ Я Aries
Ceres 2°03´ Capricorn
Pallas 17°31´ Scorpio
Juno 16°39´ Taurus
Vesta 18°33´ Я Taurus
Node 3°25´ Я Taurus
Lilith 28°15´ Aries
Fortun 18°03´ Libra
AS 7°06´ Cancer
MC 20°45´ Pisces
Jupite Conjunction Saturn Orb 0°48´
Saturn Conjunction MC Orb 1°00´
Venus Conjunction Neptune Orb 1°39´
Jupite Conjunction MC Orb 1°48´
Sun Conjunction Pluto Orb 10°04
Sun Opposite Jupiter Orb 0°52´
Sun Opposite Saturn Orb 1°40´
Sun Opposite MC Orb 2°41´
Uranus Opposite Pluto Orb 6°58´
Pluto Opposite MC Orb 7°23´
Saturn Opposite Pluto Orb 8°23´
Jupite Opposite Pluto Orb 9°12´
Moon Square Pluto Orb 0°52´
Moon Square Uranus Orb 6°06´
Uranus Trine Neptune Orb 0°05´
Neptun Trine AS Orb 0°36´
Uranus Trine AS Orb 0°42´
Venus Trine AS Orb 1°02´
Venus Trine Uranus Orb 1°45´
Mars Trine Jupiter Orb 2°15´
Mars Trine Saturn Orb 3°03´
Mars Trine MC Orb 4°04´
Moon Trine Mercury Orb 4°37´
Sun Sextile Mars Orb 1°22´
Venus Sextile Pluto Orb 5°12´
Sun SemiSquare Venus Orb 0°17´
Saturn SesquiQuadrate Neptune Orb 0°16´
Venus SesquiQuadrate Jupiter Orb 0°34´
Neptun SesquiQuadrate MC Orb 0°44´
Jupite SesquiQuadrate Neptune Orb 1°04´
Venus SesquiQuadrate Saturn Orb 1°23´
Venus SesquiQuadrate MC Orb 2°23´
Mars Quintile Pluto Orb 0°32´
Moon BiQuintile Neptune Orb 0°00´
first thing i see is the great conjunction on his mc, in pisces!. pluto the destroyer opposing this conjunction on his mc, you will not assert religious balance (sat-jup) to the public (mc).
sun-ic: inner royalty, dosnt need to wear it outward.
venus conjunct neptune, no duh. haha.
its actually a very convincing chart, haha. although perhaps the finder of this chart wanted his sun to be in leo and thus used the tropical zodiac accordingly. it would also put his moon in cancer, both of those make more sense. i wonder if the chicken came before the egg or what. nevertheless, i like the aspects which will be the same in either tropical or sidereal chart, very convincing.

August 26, 2020 at 15:21

Here is the document from the Shroud people on His height.
https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/…


August 26, 2020 at 15:16

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Yep, even the Roman Catholic church is admitting that date of birth of Jesus is unknown and that it wasn´t in late December. Check terms "Christmas", "Easter", "Birthdays", etc. Every denomination and faith group has its own encyclopaedia, so refer to multiple sources, preferably in combination with secular sources.
https://www.catholic.org/encycloped…

August 26, 2020 at 15:11

Even his death could be on the chart. Many believe the cusp of 8th house and placement of pluto denote clue to the manner of death. The one chart I did for that time given had pluto sitting on the 8th house cusp in Virgo. Empty 12th house. Full 8th and 9th ... I´ll see if I can figure out how to post it ...
On the outside = ordinary.
But the life map I´d think would show very differently.
But as I said .. it´s all speculation.


August 26, 2020 at 15:10

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None of those charts can be accurate. Certainly not any of these attempts.


August 26, 2020 at 15:04

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wow 15 different charts. astrotheme says he was 6´ tall, haha. probably default setting.
why is chiron in aries considered brutal? i imagine chiron-aries generation to be much more forthright in their overcoming of wounds. not unlike chiron-mars aspects, one of my favorite combinations.
speaking of aries, i remember watching a special on the history channel, when i was a younger, about the ´shroud of turin´. whether its legit or not, i dont really care, i just remember thinking ´wow, he looks like an aries´. haha.

August 26, 2020 at 15:00

I plugged the info into a BC natal chart site and came up with
a different chart. I don´t know how to load it here.
The date was picked because Herod died in 4 BC. Jesus had to be a few years old at the time of that death. He also had to be born in the fall, according to the way the John the Baptiser part of the story goes. It´s very specific on when the father of John The Baptiser learns that he is to be a father. That gave the general mid to end of September 7BC time frame.
The 15th and the time were picked based on astrological charts .. as best that I can tell.
If someone wants to plug in September 15, 7bc, 1145pm, Bethlehem ...
and put that chart up here ... please do.


August 26, 2020 at 15:00

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Important is also to notice that all those roughly 50 persons mentioned in those two articles on this topic were all historical persons and all were absolutely sure that Jesus of Nazareth did existed as a historical person. It´s ridiculous that nowadays is quite modern to deny even this and burden of proof is placed on the opposite, so gathering of facts necessary to prove historicity and historical Jesus, alike historical accuracy of scriptural accounts.
I made a commentary on forum about killing babies in Judea. This too was predicted to happen.
Let´s check sidereal chart on those centuries around. Also, there is a possibility that Tropical chart was used too, because Indian astrologers, and perhaps Chaldeans and Egyptians too, "forgotten" about the precession for few centuries, and realized that error much later, after about 6th century CE, I don´t remember exactly. Although, in Europe such change back to Sidereal didn´t occurred since then. I am saying that the Magi of the East might have been using either Tropical or Sidereal at the time around birth of Christ. I would like to find out transits back then.

August 26, 2020 at 14:52

https://www.astrotheme.com/astrolog…
https://www.astro.com/astro-databan…

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