Competitiveness in natal chart

November 18, 2019 at 15:53 (UT/GMT)
(Pisces) fishscales
Competitiveness in natal chart
I´d imagine it has something to do with Mars...

My Mars is in Taurus (in detriment) though I am extremely competitive.

I also have Mars in the 8th house...maybe that makes competition kind of a life and death thing for me. I´ve been told I get way too intense on family game night :61:

I also have Mars sextile sun...an opportunity to be competitive at heart?

Anyone else have any observations regarding competitiveness in natal chart?

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November 30, 2019 at 21:03
(Gemini) Sinem
Since the first and last degrees are important in astrology, I think that the pluto which is "0" will give such an effect and it will be in the 12th house. :63: :1:
November 30, 2019 at 03:17
(Gemini) hipogrifo010 » IIyyaarr13
the leos and virgo that I know are not competitive, or at least they do not show up like that, on the other hand, aquarium is very much, also dedicated in that aspect but only in a certain thing. see ya :5:
November 30, 2019 at 02:57
(Taurus) IIyyaarr13 » RunnerChic85
What about Leos and Virgos in New Zealand, Argentina, and Chile?
Have to be sure if it is planetary ray or weather!
November 30, 2019 at 01:08
(Leo) RunnerChic85 » Thegirlwithspades
Thegirlwithspades--I actually was trying to reply to the whole thread, and looks like I replied to you, whoops, sorry, I´m new to this site and actually still learning about astrology as well, have only been at it a few months :1:

Anyway, I never really thought of Aquarius as a competitive sign, but I´ve read somewhere that a higher proportion of olympians are Aquarius or Pisces. I´m curious now, will have to look into it. I don´t know if it´s a physical thing, like Winter-born babies are just somehow more athletically inclined, or astrological.

As for your competitive Aquarius friends, that would be very interesting to see what their other placements are :1:
November 29, 2019 at 07:51
(Leo) Thegirlwithspades » RunnerChic85
Oh! I understand now. I guess it might have been my bad.
Perhaps you´re right. Although I was just saying that based on an observation I have noticed, that quite a number of Aquarius friends are very competitive with me. I guess I should look at their chart in more detail :1:

I have my Mars In Sag in the 2nd house, although I have no Idea but I never feel the feeling of competitiveness with anybody around me. Although from time to time there might be a little bit of jealousy, but never really competing for anything.

Thank you so much for explaining it to me though, I understand that much better now. It looks like I do have much more to learn haha. :2:
November 29, 2019 at 02:11
(Leo) RunnerChic85 » Thegirlwithspades
I´ve always thought of competitiveness being a Mars trait. I´ve always, since a young child, been very competitive in sports, and I even still am when I run races. There were many times I´d go into a race thinking "I´m just going to run this to enjoy it, not focus on place." Yeah right! A few minutes into my race I´m like, "Nope, gotta catch him, gotta pass her!" and end up racing all out. I get mad at myself for those few races when I did have gas in the tank at the end, kicking myself for not running harder.

I have my Mars in Leo, and I´m also a 3rd Decan Sun Leo, which is affiliated with Mars. I even find myself feeling super competitive when my boys play hockey (they´re ages 6 and almost 8). My almost 8-year old is doing really well this year, I´m very proud of him, but I´m secretly afraid someone is going to upstage him. That´s a fear I need to work through--I´m making sure he´s not aware of those feelings. My mother projected those types of feelings onto me when I ran track and cross-country, and it caused for an extremely stressful time--not only wanting to run well for myself, but to make sure my mom was happy. I don´t want my son to have that kind of experience.

Someone had mentioned the 5th house being related to sports. I have my Saturn in the 5th house. I know some people look at Saturn in the 5th like it´s a bad thing, but for me, I feel like it´s allowed me to stay disciplined to train every day so I can work hard to be successful.
November 28, 2019 at 04:39
(Leo) Thegirlwithspades
I´m not too sure whether this will help you, although I have noticed that my friend that has some Aquarius energy in her chart (in her case her sun is in Aquarius) and she is a very competitive person when it comes to school results.

You could also have a look into your 9th house planets, as I head they are indicting information on your education and your overall process of learning.
Hope it helps you a little bit! :1:
November 20, 2019 at 02:21
(Scorpio) venushouse » fishscales
Love the iron fist in the velvet glove. I often refer to that in daily life, perfect description of how I feel. Good point! It´s all good though. I am so grateful for my mars, it is my life blood, the passion, A reason to live to the full!
November 20, 2019 at 00:25
(Pisces) fishscales » venushouse
Quite a few military leaders born under the sign of the scales...

Eisenhower, Pompey, Napoleon...

Libra, as the polarity of Aries, can be the iron fist in the velvet glove...
November 20, 2019 at 00:14
(Scorpio) venushouse
My feeling is that a warrior is always a warrior no matter where they are! lol. I have Mars in Capricorn, Mars being my ruler (Scorpio sun in the 10th house) Mars in my 1st house, Aries 4th house as well as Mars being my 2nd dominant planet. My first dominant planet is Venus and I have Libra as my sole dispositor but don´t be fooled. I am very martial. All of my kids school projects have turned into my personal manifestos! I have kicked a co-parent off of my daughter´s science project because her vision wasn´t grand enough and I couldn´t take the chance we would loose because of her (we did win 1st place by the way) I´ve always loved Military jackets, I make military coats. I always open with my Libra but it is Mars that is never far behind. Lol. My Aries dad and I used to make bullets in our basement when I was around 7 years old. He used to take me to the firing range. So yeah in a nutshell I can relate, and family game night is serious business!
:)
November 19, 2019 at 23:22
(Pisces) fishscales » stigmí
"..but what i also see in your chart, that you have desc in aries with chiron on it...so maybe this is also signification of competitive tendentions..."

Hmm.. Interesting... I´ve never thought of my Chiron placement in that way before...will contemplate...
November 19, 2019 at 22:38
(Scorpio) MelodicBlu » stigmí
i sure as hell noticed that.. didnt know about the mars in leo, but it makes sense
November 19, 2019 at 21:29
(Gemini) stigmí » MelodicBlu
Mars in leo is very competitive yes...with strong inner fire...and mars square pluto also...this is explosive combination
November 19, 2019 at 21:26
(Scorpio) MelodicBlu
Oh. well.. My ex was a very sick competitive type. He had Mars opposite Sun, this is a strong indication of a person seeing others as competition. I had pointed it out towards him once, and he confirmed that its true he sees people that way.
Besides that, i dont know what other aspects indicate competitiveness.
Within his birthchart, he has Mars square pluto, thats a powerful one.
Mars in Leo (in the 12th house)
November 19, 2019 at 21:21
(Gemini) stigmí
I think you are true with mars/aries influence to this...
Maybe taurus mars make you more stubborn...but what i also see in your chart, that you have desc in aries with chiron on it...so maybe this is also signification of competitive tendentions...

I have weird strong mars and i am competitive, but just my way...i can´t look at myself, when i feel myself weak, not enough perfect, so i want to prove to myself that i am stronger or better...and so on...i am not competitive aries way...and everyone who awakes this inner critic in me, awakes also this inner fight :3:
November 19, 2019 at 16:15
(Aquarius) nikkia
Well, I´ve got Saturn :191: Mars. I cannot seem to separate these two energies. (0.46" sep) regardless of house or sign.
I compete against myself -- looking to improve upon my ´personal best.´ I can be a bit hard on myself, but less so as I matured.
When it comes to *actual* competition, having discipline and endurance attached to competitive drive has its advantages.
This :191: :198: :171: :152: Win, lose or draw, I play fair. I consider myself gracious in both victory and defeat.
November 19, 2019 at 01:22
(Leo) Sunnyshadow
I´ve got mars conjunct my midheaven. I was very competetive in my late teens through my twenties. Seemed to mellow out as I got older. I think it´s a competetive position for mars to be in. As it´s the highest planet in the chart
November 19, 2019 at 00:30
(Taurus) IIyyaarr13 » fishscales
According to the Magi Astrologers, athletes are more prone to trines to Mars, however high-payed MVPs are prone to "exact" trines to Mars!
Pluto and Sun may both be exalted in Aries. ( :171: :151: :160: )
Aquarius stelliums often win academic competition against those locomotive splash sorts who are diligent students in their own right. :44:
There were Olympic Committee experts who wanted to disqualify Shawn Johnson from Olympic competition merely for being too stiff-jointed! As if gymnastics were a "limberness & elasticity" competition! Something slightly reminiscent of the never-ending "trannies in track & field" argument.
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November 19, 2019 at 00:08
(Pisces) fishscales » nikkia
"Which chart, Fish?

Placidus: 2nd house.
Whole Sign: 3rd house."

I take it you´re asking which house position of Mars you should be using?

Only you can answer that nikkia. Whichever one feels right to you.

"Forgive the newbie - but doesn´t the Sun and Saturn factor in here, too?"

I don´t think of the sun as a competitive planet.

If anything, the sun thinks it is already the undisputed leader. There´s nothing to compete for.

Think of its position in the solar system. It´s the unquestioned center of everything.

Challenge a sun person though, and you could be in for a rude awakening. They are not going to give up their position without a fight. After all, according to them, it is their birthright.

That´s not really competition though.

And Saturn... I don´t associate Saturn with competition... More with doing what needs to be done, regardless of what anyone else is doing.

Edit: Correction. Maybe Saturn is concerned with what others are doing... But it displays that in the form of personal ambition, rather than direct competition with others.
November 18, 2019 at 23:57
(Pisces) fishscales » Leo Moon
"I also think Pluto can be involved in competition.
It’s a heavier ,” I will grind my adversaries to dust and pound them into the ground and they will be forgotten to time” kind of competition."

:61:

Or a "crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of the women" kind of competition
November 18, 2019 at 23:51
(Pisces) fishscales » Nola_la
"I believe that people with Mars in 8th love a fight to the death :4: :3: :3:"

Yes... It kind of comes naturally. When an 8th house Mars springs into action, it creates a very "kill or be killed" type of attitude. Not in a literal sense, but if the circumstances were right... In a literal sense as well. Probably why I see it as a competitive placement.

It´s a survivalist placement too, which can be related to competition.
November 18, 2019 at 18:30
(Pisces) Nola_la » Mrav
>"No, Mars with Saturn gives you stamina, so you can for example work for many hours without being tired...you have great patience and energy to complete work-task!"

I agree with that, that´s a positive side of this aspect. But in real life I heard about 3 people for whom this aspect turned out to be very harmful.
November 18, 2019 at 18:22
(Cancer) Mrav » Olenna
No, Mars with Saturn gives you stamina, so you can for example work for many hours without being tired...you have great patience and energy to complete work-task!
November 18, 2019 at 18:21
(Aquarius) nikkia
Which chart, Fish?

Placidus: 2nd house.
Whole Sign: 3rd house.

Forgive the newbie - but doesn´t the Sun and Saturn factor in here, too?
November 18, 2019 at 18:21
(Cancer) Mrav
Competitiveness is a matter of 5th house, sports and games... so natural Suns house, Sun will shine, show off, be best.. But in order to be competitive Sun need some fire... so Mars in good aspects with Sun brings positive competitiveness without aggression just with strong will to win, to be determent to win. Mars pushes Suns ambition.
Sun in negative aspect with Mars gives impulsiveness, aggression, anger, primer instinct when you don´t choose your weapon wisely which leads to explosiveness, short temper and so on!

Great topic!
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