Competitiveness in natal chart - Discussions, questions

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Since the first and last degrees are important in astrology, I think that the pluto which is "0" will give such an effect and it will be in the 12th house.

hipogrifo010 » IIyyaarr13 the leos and virgo that I know are not competitive, or at least they do not show up like that, on the other hand, aquarium is very much, also dedicated in that aspect but only in a certain thing. see ya

IIyyaarr13 » RunnerChic85 What about Leos and Virgos in New Zealand, Argentina, and Chile?
Have to be sure if it is planetary ray or weather!

RunnerChic85 » Thegirlwithspades Thegirlwithspades--I actually was trying to reply to the whole thread, and looks like I replied to you, whoops, sorry, I´m new to this site and actually still learning about astrology as well, have only been at it a few months

Anyway, I never really thought of Aquarius as a competitive sign, but I´ve read somewhere that a higher proportion of olympians are Aquarius or Pisces. I´m curious now, will have to look into it. I don´t know if it´s a physical thing, like Winter-born babies are just somehow more athletically inclined, or astrological.

As for your competitive Aquarius friends, that would be very interesting to see what their other placements are

Thegirlwithspades » RunnerChic85 Oh! I understand now. I guess it might have been my bad.
Perhaps you´re right. Although I was just saying that based on an observation I have noticed, that quite a number of Aquarius friends are very competitive with me. I guess I should look at their chart in more detail

I have my Mars In Sag in the 2nd house, although I have no Idea but I never feel the feeling of competitiveness with anybody around me. Although from time to time there might be a little bit of jealousy, but never really competing for anything.

Thank you so much for explaining it to me though, I understand that much better now. It looks like I do have much more to learn haha.

RunnerChic85 » Thegirlwithspades I´ve always thought of competitiveness being a Mars trait. I´ve always, since a young child, been very competitive in sports, and I even still am when I run races. There were many times I´d go into a race thinking "I´m just going to run this to enjoy it, not focus on place." Yeah right! A few minutes into my race I´m like, "Nope, gotta catch him, gotta pass her!" and end up racing all out. I get mad at myself for those few races when I did have gas in the tank at the end, kicking myself for not running harder.

I have my Mars in Leo, and I´m also a 3rd Decan Sun Leo, which is affiliated with Mars. I even find myself feeling super competitive when my boys play hockey (they´re ages 6 and almost 8). My almost 8-year old is doing really well this year, I´m very proud of him, but I´m secretly afraid someone is going to upstage him. That´s a fear I need to work through--I´m making sure he´s not aware of those feelings. My mother projected those types of feelings onto me when I ran track and cross-country, and it caused for an extremely stressful time--not only wanting to run well for myself, but to make sure my mom was happy. I don´t want my son to have that kind of experience.

Someone had mentioned the 5th house being related to sports. I have my Saturn in the 5th house. I know some people look at Saturn in the 5th like it´s a bad thing, but for me, I feel like it´s allowed me to stay disciplined to train every day so I can work hard to be successful.

Thegirlwithspades I´m not too sure whether this will help you, although I have noticed that my friend that has some Aquarius energy in her chart (in her case her sun is in Aquarius) and she is a very competitive person when it comes to school results.

You could also have a look into your 9th house planets, as I head they are indicting information on your education and your overall process of learning.
Hope it helps you a little bit!

fishscales » stigmí "..but what i also see in your chart, that you have desc in aries with chiron on it...so maybe this is also signification of competitive tendentions..."

Hmm.. Interesting... I´ve never thought of my Chiron placement in that way before...will contemplate...

MelodicBlu » stigmí i sure as hell noticed that.. didnt know about the mars in leo, but it makes sense

stigmí » MelodicBlu Mars in leo is very competitive yes...with strong inner fire...and mars square pluto also...this is explosive combination

MelodicBlu Oh. well.. My ex was a very sick competitive type. He had Mars opposite Sun, this is a strong indication of a person seeing others as competition. I had pointed it out towards him once, and he confirmed that its true he sees people that way.
Besides that, i dont know what other aspects indicate competitiveness.
Within his birthchart, he has Mars square pluto, thats a powerful one.
Mars in Leo (in the 12th house)

stigmí I think you are true with mars/aries influence to this...
Maybe taurus mars make you more stubborn...but what i also see in your chart, that you have desc in aries with chiron on it...so maybe this is also signification of competitive tendentions...

I have weird strong mars and i am competitive, but just my way...i can´t look at myself, when i feel myself weak, not enough perfect, so i want to prove to myself that i am stronger or better...and so on...i am not competitive aries way...and everyone who awakes this inner critic in me, awakes also this inner fight

nikkia Well, I´ve got Saturn Mars. I cannot seem to separate these two energies. (0.46" sep) regardless of house or sign.
I compete against myself -- looking to improve upon my ´personal best.´ I can be a bit hard on myself, but less so as I matured.
When it comes to *actual* competition, having discipline and endurance attached to competitive drive has its advantages.
This Win, lose or draw, I play fair. I consider myself gracious in both victory and defeat.

Sunnyshadow I´ve got mars conjunct my midheaven. I was very competetive in my late teens through my twenties. Seemed to mellow out as I got older. I think it´s a competetive position for mars to be in. As it´s the highest planet in the chart

IIyyaarr13 » fishscales According to the Magi Astrologers, athletes are more prone to trines to Mars, however high-payed MVPs are prone to "exact" trines to Mars!
Pluto and Sun may both be exalted in Aries. ( )
Aquarius stelliums often win academic competition against those locomotive splash sorts who are diligent students in their own right.
There were Olympic Committee experts who wanted to disqualify Shawn Johnson from Olympic competition merely for being too stiff-jointed! As if gymnastics were a "limberness & elasticity" competition! Something slightly reminiscent of the never-ending "trannies in track & field" argument.

fishscales » nikkia "Which chart, Fish?

Placidus: 2nd house.
Whole Sign: 3rd house."

I take it you´re asking which house position of Mars you should be using?

Only you can answer that nikkia. Whichever one feels right to you.

"Forgive the newbie - but doesn´t the Sun and Saturn factor in here, too?"

I don´t think of the sun as a competitive planet.

If anything, the sun thinks it is already the undisputed leader. There´s nothing to compete for.

Think of its position in the solar system. It´s the unquestioned center of everything.

Challenge a sun person though, and you could be in for a rude awakening. They are not going to give up their position without a fight. After all, according to them, it is their birthright.

That´s not really competition though.

And Saturn... I don´t associate Saturn with competition... More with doing what needs to be done, regardless of what anyone else is doing.

Edit: Correction. Maybe Saturn is concerned with what others are doing... But it displays that in the form of personal ambition, rather than direct competition with others.

fishscales » Leo Moon "I also think Pluto can be involved in competition.
It’s a heavier ,” I will grind my adversaries to dust and pound them into the ground and they will be forgotten to time” kind of competition."



Or a "crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of the women" kind of competition

fishscales » No_la "I believe that people with Mars in 8th love a fight to the death "

Yes... It kind of comes naturally. When an 8th house Mars springs into action, it creates a very "kill or be killed" type of attitude. Not in a literal sense, but if the circumstances were right... In a literal sense as well. Probably why I see it as a competitive placement.

It´s a survivalist placement too, which can be related to competition.

No_la » Mrav >"No, Mars with Saturn gives you stamina, so you can for example work for many hours without being tired...you have great patience and energy to complete work-task!"

I agree with that, that´s a positive side of this aspect. But in real life I heard about 3 people for whom this aspect turned out to be very harmful.

Mrav » Olenna No, Mars with Saturn gives you stamina, so you can for example work for many hours without being tired...you have great patience and energy to complete work-task!

nikkia Which chart, Fish?

Placidus: 2nd house.
Whole Sign: 3rd house.

Forgive the newbie - but doesn´t the Sun and Saturn factor in here, too?

Mrav Competitiveness is a matter of 5th house, sports and games... so natural Suns house, Sun will shine, show off, be best.. But in order to be competitive Sun need some fire... so Mars in good aspects with Sun brings positive competitiveness without aggression just with strong will to win, to be determent to win. Mars pushes Suns ambition.
Sun in negative aspect with Mars gives impulsiveness, aggression, anger, primer instinct when you don´t choose your weapon wisely which leads to explosiveness, short temper and so on!

Great topic!

IIyyaarr13 Stephen Craig Paddock was burning himself out gambling before the arsenal he put in his hotel room was put to use, might say he competed against his Public Enemy Father and lost! He had Tee & with little 14 year orbit asteroid Hidalgo making a grand cross to the other three.
Competing as a self-challenge is obviously more noble than competing to "blow people away" and destroy competitors.
Gassed twice as a child, some unknown enemy wanted to "kill competition, before puberty set in"
What competition "turns you on"; Artist vs. Artist competition; Steroid Giant vs. Steroid Giant competition; or just simple monkey versus monkey competition!

No_la » Leo Moon I forgot about Mars in 1st - you must be competitive with Mars in 1st house.

I guess Pluto prefers to manipulate rather than compete

Olenna I believe some Saturn involved with Mars can make one competitive.