Difference between Indian and Western Astrology

September 16, 2019 at 01:45 (UT/GMT)
(Libra) Lib_8
Difference between Indian and Western Astrology
Hello,

Growing up in India I did go to many jyotshis. I always felt that the advice I got was pretty generic and most of the time it seemed like things you wanted to hear or something outrageous.

I know on a basic level Indian astrology focuses on the position of the moon whereas the Western style is based on the sun. My sign by birth is Libra but according to Indian astrology I become a Capricorn. So this has confused me quite a bit.

In terms of a question I would like to ask specifically about my relationships and love. My natal
chart does show that I have a Venus square Saturn. I have had difficulty finding good people. Does it show up on my Vedic chart?

Any insight will be great!

Thank you

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September 20, 2019 at 20:27
(Capricorn) ShriSaiganeshE-jyotish » Helen.Pahlavi
Glad to learn the german Vehlow system is same as
Vedic equal houses Bhava Chart! thanks!!
September 19, 2019 at 11:44
(Libra) Lib_8 » ShriSaiganeshE-jyotish
I’m in Canada now. Have been here for over 20 years. I’m happy here and I hope to continue to spend my life here. So to add to a thing you mentioned earlier I’m not actively seeking a foreign deal or relationship I would definitely like to keep my home base here.
September 19, 2019 at 09:27
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » ShriSaiganeshE-jyotish
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Thanks for sharing, but it is the same or not?

Vehlow
The Vehlow house system belongs to the equal ("same size") house systems. Here, the Ascendant is placed exactly in the middle of the first house. Ascendant and MC therefore do not coincide with a house cusp.

The Vehlow house system is named after the German astrologer Johannes Vehlow (1890-1958).

Back to the over view list

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15 degrees each way,
the same like Bhava, or not?
September 19, 2019 at 09:26
(Capricorn) ShriSaiganeshE-jyotish » Lib_8
Thanks for the prompt ack and introducing yourself further.

btw which country do you stay!

Having read a chart in one system,
do not usually attempt again in another system
taking a whole lot of time to compose.

People think these are just rattled off,
a cookbook reading,
and often merely say thank you, sans feedbacks,
even if responded to a personal PM.

Nice of you to have cared to share details
validating the effort gone into.

We are discussing things here and not merely
offloading off the shelf products commercially.
These are astro discussion forums.

Some get irritated with the astro-logics incorporated,
want straight yes-no answers
and expect all answers to be right,
it is more about probability,
based on astro principles and grammar.
Each can have own proficiency levels.

Giving a blank reading is difficult,
and may deviate from some ground realities
among the possibilities.

One usually is curious what one has to say
without knowing the background of the person,
and then ask the questions one by one,
having to practically realign the reading again.

Appreciate for the care to share feedbacks,
wishing you well,


kshantaram
September 19, 2019 at 09:14
(Capricorn) ShriSaiganeshE-jyotish » Helen.Pahlavi
Vedic is not erratic,

uses wholesign equal houses in the basic chart,
supplemented with bhava chart for houses,
and 9th harmonic as basic harmonic
among the range of harmonic charts,
especially used for marriage matching,
apart from confirming chart interpretations.

western forums have no scope for
vedic bhava chart and vedic 9th harmonic,
hence use vedic whole sign houses
for basic chart reading,
which is fair enough.

Bhava chart and 9th harmonic are used
by advanced Astrologers,
though this too is quite basic,
but needs extra effort and practice and experience.
Avoided not to make things sound complicated
and confused.

Appreciate raising the query, regards,


kshantaram
September 19, 2019 at 08:58
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » Leo Moon
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3 years ago I was surprised when I found out that he´s actuality astrophysicist :78:
September 19, 2019 at 08:55
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » ShriSaiganeshE-jyotish
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There is "western" house system named Vehlow-Equal, calculated also on astro-seek, which seems to me similar to what you say about Bhava houses. What do you think about Vehlow system?http://radixpro.com/project-houses/…
Why Vedic astrology is using sometimes Bhava houses, sometimes Whole Signs system, sometimes Placidus?
September 19, 2019 at 08:52
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » Helen.Pahlavi
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horrey! :75: something is finally happening to us!!
September 19, 2019 at 08:42
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » IIyyaarr13
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C/2019 Q4 Borisov with 2-16 kilometres in diameter, ultra extreme speed and eccentricity, the second confirmed interstellar object, can be here in just two months. Some even speculate about alien spacecraft. :11: :97:
September 19, 2019 at 07:51
(Libra) Lib_8 » ShriSaiganeshE-jyotish
Hello,

Thanks for taking the time to provide such a detailed response. If everyone I went to in India gave me such explanations I would have been happy :)

The salient features that are correct from what you mentioned :

- I am a foodie, very keen in learning about foreign cultures and traditions

- I broke my leg badly last year and needed major surgery. Throughout my life since I was 8 I’ve had to have surgeries for various reasons. At 8 I had to have my appendix removed.

- I’m an assistant librarian and supervisor by profession. So I work on projects and my favorite part is working with kids. I work on mentoring them especially as part of after school programs.

- I have never been married and at the moment still single. I’m fine with how my life is now and I’m happy. I would like to
settle down but not at any cost. I come from a close knit family and they mean a lot to me.

My question to you sir is do you see similarities to things you mentioned to me in my natal Western chart?

Thank you again
September 19, 2019 at 05:59
(Capricorn) ShriSaiganeshE-jyotish
Strange, you are an Indian from Mumbai, have already met vedic astrologers,
were not satisfied, and again ask about your vedic chart.

Could have posted in the vedic section with a sidereal chart for ready ref.

The debate here instead of discussing your chart has become an academic discussion between vedic and western systems, unless you intended to get western interpretation.



Do share how this reading here generic or outrageous!
how true-untrue-insightful-helpful,
traits-talents-health-life trends-remedies-ideas to adapt etc etc


By vedic, scorpio Asc, secretive, suspicious, sentimental, sarcastic, passionate, magnetic personality;

Moon cap ambitious, hardworking, good at event management etc,
moon aspect own cancer 9th supportive of luck-education-travels etc;
cancer 9th inimical-badhak for scorpio asc,
luck-edu-travels etc under stress-delays;

Moon shravana nakshatra, noble, burden of responsibility, etc


ketu separative SNode scorpio asc, attention catching looks,
keen research-occult-alchemy-forensic aptitudes;
pain-injury-surgery head-urological etc
jup past one year transit scorpio;


jup-mars sag 2nd, earning through own efforts,
good at project advisory services, banking projects, etc
mars 2nd volatile finances;

sun-mer virgo 11th, gains through intellectual-oratory,
critical thinking, good at audit-quality control-editorial roles,
gains from corporates, social elite, govt;


rahu-NNode taurus 7th, love of food-comforts, foreign relationships,
delayed marriage-relationship; separative tendencies;
wear brown hessonite over pendant touching heart;

sat-venus libra 12th for foreign lands, art-dance etc, law-justice etc,
seeking affections but difficult to manifest,
mutual health issues in marriage-relationship;
wear 0.25 carat diamond over platinum pendant touching heart;


jup-mars sag seeking men
athletic-sportive-ambitious-optimistic-advisory capacity;

Lords 1/7 mars-venus over sag-libra 3/11 unfriendly signs lords venus-jup,
merely dutiful relationship in marriage, sans personal charm;


Sat-ketu now 1.5yr transit jup-mars sag 2nd,
detachment from family-finances-advisory roles,
pain-injury-surgery thighs-throat-teeth-liver inflammations etc;
prayers to Goddess Bhadrakali,
offer 1.25kg white til every month tues evenings after sunset;


16 yrs jup dasa-period since age 33,
jup sag 2nd for family-finances-marriage-children;

jup now transit scorpio asc aspect rahu-taurus 7th for foreign relationship,
trine pisces 5th for luck-edu-romance-children-advisory position;
trine cancer 9th for luck-education-travels;
jup direct scorpio since Aug 11th;

jup past 4-5m retro towards sat-venus libra 12th,
may be reviewing a foreign relationship/assignment;

jup year end last quart transit natal jup-mars sag 2nd,
alongwith sat-ketu,
may be detachment from parental family through marriage!
jup effective mid-course come March-June 2020.


hope find clues, promptly ack and share salient pointwise feedbacks,
which could be interesting to learn from for all of us here,



wishing well, kshantaram


btw, astrology is merely my hobby, whether western or vedic charts;
with the little generic information and understanding i happen to have;


Vedic starts with Moon Nakshatras finetuning more specifically,
further divided into nine harmonics,
arriving at planetary periods at birth and later, with sub-periods.

Marriage matching starts with the quarter-charana moon is placed
and tarabala/luck between the bride-bridegroom and other matching points
for health, temperament,emotional bonding, mutual attraction, etc etc.
The planets are matched for luck, children etc and mutual compensations
and whether planetary periods supportive of each other.

Marriage timing is finetuned to suit nakshatras of bride-bridegroom,
especially in South India where marriages are performed to Muhurtha
even after mid-night, hasth-milap performed to the second auspiciously;

Astrology and astronomy are matters of precision
alike landing of Chandrayaan on the moon, nothing should go amiss,
whatever methodology you follow.

The vedic chart of houses is known as the Bhava Chart,
usually not deployed on western forums,
the bhava calculated from the asc degree
generally equalised with 15 deg eitherside for ease;

Sign determines how a planet would behave,
while bhava determines what house matters will be affected,
and during the planetary periods and transits.

The transits in principle are seen from the moon
governing the attitude and behaviour of the person in action
and the resultant outcome, based on the individuals mood;
whether able to take the opportunity or not;
with very elaborate transit rules;

Now adays the argument is to see transits from the asc,
as asc is finetuned to the hour of birth,
moon stays in a sign for 2.25 days rather.
Asc chart determines the subject matters,
while moon determines the probable behaviour and success or failure.

Navamsa or 9th harmonic determines
whether a planet is strong enough on the terrain to manifest itself;
matters of precision alike CT SCAN/MRI etc.
September 19, 2019 at 03:51
(Aquarius) Leo Moon » Moon_Queen
Brian May is an amazing a guitarist!
September 19, 2019 at 03:26
(Taurus) IIyyaarr13 » Moon_Queen
Vaccines going bad.
Politics going bad.
Asteroid Apophis threatening to blow up in a decade.
The dark might win!
September 18, 2019 at 17:17
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » IIyyaarr13
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There should be one true principle in astrology in whole world.

We entered last decade of Pisces era and it´s time to wake this old Lady up an give her back her crown.

With the pissibilities that this age is giving us is absurde to live in the dark.

Knowledge about astrology has to be united, filtered, upgraded and spread...
September 18, 2019 at 16:33
(Taurus) IIyyaarr13
According to Edgar Cayce, Astrology was imposed on India by the Persians.
My argument that Edgar Cayce went through "phases" that were beyond his control would have started a fight with his son Hugh Lynn Cayce!
The eastern Astrologers starting more schools in the west might be idealoguery but would help ´ALL´ astrology everywhere.
Swearing loyalty to one Astrology and then dabbling in another is like going to receive closed communion thinking it is open communion!
September 18, 2019 at 12:41
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » Lib_8
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He was amazing! :78:
Queen is my favorite group, very attached to astrology. They give us so much wise life instructions throughout their song.

The latest song Innuendo is my personal hymn, so complete.
September 18, 2019 at 12:37
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com
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oops I see now it´s back, not forward...
September 18, 2019 at 12:36
(Libra) Lib_8 » Moon_Queen
Yes Astrocode.

Freddy Mercury was also a Zoroastrian from India. We share the same background. ?
September 18, 2019 at 12:24
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » Lib_8
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That´s cool! This is new :78:

It looks like you include secondary progressions at the start.
According to secondary progressions every next day of life stands for every next year of life...what means that every year our natal chart is actuality changing (progressing).

BTW
Isn´t that Freddy Mercury was Zoroastrian? :25:
September 18, 2019 at 12:04
(Libra) Lib_8
Not to break up but this conversation but I would like to share an interesting fact.

I’m a Zoroastrian and traditionally our calendar had 12 months of 30 days. Means our year is 360 days! To account for this discrepancy they tried to make changes and adapt it.

But it is interesting that every leap year our birthdays according to the Zoroastrian calendar goes back 1 day. So
I was born Oct 4 but this year my Zoroastrian bday will fall on Sep 26. Needless to say all this is too confusing for me to keep track. But from an astrological perspective also I’ll be going from a Libra to a Virgo slowly.

It’s hard to explain but this link may help clarify what I mean.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/zoroastria…
September 18, 2019 at 11:54
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » Helen.Pahlavi
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Astrology (generally) has to refresh little bit...
September 18, 2019 at 11:52
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » Helen.Pahlavi
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Yes they are (like everything in Universe), some of them are moving faster some of them slower (much slower than solar system) and that leads us to conclusion that neither of those two systems are completely correct, since both are connected to constellations made of stars that are moving non-coordinately...
September 18, 2019 at 11:21
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » Moon_Queen
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Right, but stars are also moving https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
September 18, 2019 at 11:18
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » Moon_Queen
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If Tropical shows Capricorn in December 15000, the same like in 2019, so it will be still aligned in future with seasons on Earth.
September 18, 2019 at 11:18
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » Helen.Pahlavi
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Of course is normal, It´s not normal to be stuck for eons in space where everything moves...
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