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Aren Levi » Waybread I did not write cruel things to you, i use vulgar speech, its part of my identity. Its not personal.
( explained for the tenth time )

I wouldnt hurt you even if we were living next to each other
I aint no criminal chill out

Yeah i am a really nice person actually. Full of smiles and laughs even when i use vulgar speech. Its hard to understand through texts.

Best wishes to you

Iceblu333 » Waybread So... when´s the Wedding?... -

Waybread » Aren Levi Aren,

Feeling Christian love towards another person is inconsistent with writing vicious hostility. Of course, you wouldn´t hurt me physically. I live thousands of miles away from you and you don´t have my street address. To you, I´m just a stranger on an Internet forum, not a real person. That makes you feel that you have freedom to say cruel things to me.

So that´s on you, as a self-declared Christian.

Billions of people on the planet do not and will not accept Jesus as God. You cannot be hostile to all of them.

Most of what I have written explains or directly quotes Christian scripture.

But I appreciate your latest message to me. It´s the nicest thing you´ve said to me so far.

Yours is a God of love and forgiveness.

Best wishes for your spiritual journey.

Iceblu333 » Aren Levi ...

Iceblu333 » Waybread Enjoy your "Toilet Bowl"... I hope your Future Honeymoon... has an Happy Ending... -

Meaning... a Movie-esque Lifetime type Movie ending... with a Masked Naked Serial killer remaining on the loose... at the resort you plan on having your alledged sexy time at -

"...I know what you did last Summer..."

Iceblu333 » Aren Levi Why don´t you 2 just get a Room, Already ... -

lilnevermind great observation, transcendental energies that we can not explain, I do not define god creator but I would define something that is above us :)

Aren Levi » Waybread Oh i am born natural expert

No, my argument is with you, since i have no argument with Bible scripture

Oh come one Waybread, i use no malice against you, and my mouth is a clean toilet

I have written before to you that i love you as a human being, just because i do not agree with your opinion on Jesus does not mean i would hurt you physically.

Every human has part of themselfs that is absolutely beautiful and then there is part of themselfs that is full of opinions and sometimes those opinions do not correlate with truth.

I do not "preach" to people to have some good feelings from "control" or "authority" ... I do that because i trully care about their well being of their soul.

Best wishes to you and i hope you will accept Jesus as God one day.

Waybread » Aren Levi Aren, since when did you become an expert in biblical exegesis?

Let´s take the plain meaning of Psalm 39:1, marked as a psalm of David:
“I will watch my ways and keep my tongue from sin; I will put a muzzle on my mouth while in the presence of the wicked.”

Since you think I´m wicked, I think Ps. 39:1 applies.

Don´t shoot the messenger, Aren. I am simply quoting the scripture to you that you believe literally. Your argument isn´t with me. It´s with your own scriptures.

It´s not so much your toilet mouth that´s at issue. It´s that you use it to express malice towards me. You can go back and look up the verses I gave you on moderating one´s speech.

So let´s move on, to the theme of Christian forgiveness. You are required to forgive me.

Matthew 5:44-47: "...I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same?"

Luke 6:31-37. "Do to others as you would have them do to you. If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do the same.…But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them, expecting nothing in return. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.… Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."

Matthew 6:14-15: For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

Matthew 6:14-15, 17:2, 18:35

Think of the Lord´s Prayer: "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trsspass against us." In some versions, "Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors."

Mark 11:25

Luke 6:37

Your verbal hostility towards me is not an expression of Christian love or forgiveness.

Best wishes for your Christian journey.

Aren Levi » Waybread Well i write vulgarly all the time if i write longer texts or when i speak.
Its a fact.
Like i do not know how to explain it to you more than this

Psalm 39:1 is about contradicting word of God or speaking ill of God which you have done and not me.
Its not about common vulgar speach about common stuff.

I have all the time explained what those verses means like this one.
Again you shoot verses at me but you really shoot yourself.
Good job, keep going you are your own demise

Waybread » Aren Levi Aren, I can only conclude that you either did not read my posts carefully, or that you disliked them so much that you mentally blocked them out.


I didn´t see the time 6:51 on your posts from yesterday. I think this site shows our own time zones. If there´s something vitally important for me, please repeat it.

You don´t use vulgarity in ordinary speech on this thread, but to express hostility towards me. That´s the difference. You deploy vulgarity as a weapon, to be combative, not to express a point consistent with Christian love. Frankly, I´ve heard a lot worse than what you write : that´s not the issue. it´s just not the message of Jesus and his apostles.

Also check out Psalm 39:1.

This is why I think you are hypocritical. You claim to be a true Christian without observing Jesus´ and his apostles´ teachings.

I stand by everything I wrote.

It´s not me you´re criticizing. It´s the proof texts in the Bible that I send you. Please read them.

Don´t shoot the messenger.

When you are ready to go back and read my posts and proof texts more carefully with an open mind, maybe we can have a real conversation.

Waybread » IceSíckle Best wishes for your spiritual journey, IceSickel.

It is a lifelong journey, with challenges, plateaus and rest stops along the way.

I don´t know if there is a current denomination that is close to the Gnostics. We don´t know everything they believed, but they seem to have stressed an inward Christianity based on mysticism vs. the literal, fundamentalist, and hierarchal approach of the emerging Catholic church.

One thing the earliest Christians stressed was community and fellowship, so I hope you find that as your beliefs develop.

One church you might find interesting to look into is the Society of Friends, or Quakers. They emerged in the 17th century and one of their early leaders, William Penn, founded Pennsylvania.

I find them appealing because they focus on the individual´s direct experience of God or the holy spirit; and leave specific beliefs about Jesus pretty much up to the individual. Their services are called meetings, and it is up to individuals to share (or not) what they feel moved to say to the congregation. So no Nicene or Apostles´ creed, no responsive prayer, and no clergy leading the meeting.

https://quaker.org/faith-and-practi…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Meanwhile, some food for astrological thought is how the constellation Aquarius appears to bow down before the constellation Pisces. John the Baptist said that he wasn´t the Christ himself, and was unworthy to "tie the sandals" of the one who was coming after him. Of course, Pisces rises after Aquarius in the sky.

Aren Levi » Waybread

Your only defence against my points in this discussion is repeteadly scolding me for my "vulgar" choice of words.
I have written previously its not because of emotions, its my way of communication. My habbit.
So you can again, excuse your whining about my choice of words

" environmental studies "
Wow, what did you teach them ? How to recycle ?

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No, of course you don´t love me as a Christian should. Your vulgar, angry words to me speak for themselves. You cannot love someone in your heart and then speak viciously to her.
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Do you know who padre Pio was ? I thought so
Speech is a speech, message is important. If you are stuck on words you gonna lost the meaning. I thought i wouldnt have to explain smt like this to a mature person.



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Even if we suppose, for the sake of our debate, that you speak the truth, you´re not going to convert Unbelievers to Christianity by scolding them with gutter language and hostility. Whatever you think you´re doing to save souls, you´re having the opposite effect.
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You have no authority to speak for others, hence your opinion is not valid for me.



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I see you as personally hypocritical at best. At worst, you´re showing your own scriptures to be full of contradictions.
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Where do i show my scriptures to be full of contradictions exactly ?
Since now all you have done was showing contradictions by your opinions which i have pointed out and "fixed" with actual verses with explanations.

Have you already reacted to my text to you from September 19, 2023 at 06:51 ?
Its full of good stuff for you

Iceblu333 » IceSíckle And when I think of her meaning of turning into Dice....

My point was, what if the Dice she "turned" into were manufactured at the Same Date and time of Her Birth... she and the Dice would have the same Begin time... so maybe the Drugs along with a Transit happened in which her Body/reality temporarily showed her another form of her "Event" Reality... in the form of "Dice" being that they both had the same Birth Date and Time...

My point is, do we really understand reality?

But maybe I´m just thinking too far into things.

Iceblu333 » IceSíckle "Eat the Acid" - Kesha

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Iceblu333 » IceSíckle [Your Commentary]

"...I like to think after we die we will know the ultimate truth of who we are and where we came from."

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[My Commentary]

I was gonna stop there but, you just reminded me of another Point...

My friend who Passed Away Did Mushrooms and Acid once... and told me that she... "Turned into a Pair of Dice" and was terrified that she would not ever become Human again...

I´ve never done any Drugs like that, I´ve only Drank Liquior...

but I´ve been thinking for awhile... what if that was actual "Reality"... what if we don´t even really know what "Reality" is...

Being that astrology is a science based on Pointing out the "Start" and the "End" of Events... what if the "Reality" is that we are Just an "Event"... and Time and Space does not really matter. What if our Human Body is nothing more than an Equal Event as a Creation of a Toy such as Dice... or even a Hurricane or Tornado event... our reality and point of existence is to do what we are meant to do and be the Actual Energy of that Event...

Maybe that´s going too far... out on a Limb...

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Anyway, what´s scary is Losing Memories due to tragic accident...

I mean, are you going to Heaven if you raped and killed 75 people and then Bump your Head and Forget... and then somehow become head of a church?

If you lose your memories... you basically become a different Person... so... would God forgive you or not...

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These are the questions that pop into my head... and is also why I simply just joke around... because I can be overwhelming sometimes...

But since you asked... there ya go...

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IceSíckle » Iceblu333 Thank you for your thoughts IceBlu...I understand God is a hard thing to ponder on and the meaning to all of this life we see around us...I like to think after we die we will know the ultimate truth of who we are and where we came from. Maybe the truth is just far beyond our understanding right now in this mortal life.

Iceblu333 » IceSíckle "One thing effects another... and another... and another in a Huge.... long game... or Cycle...; When one thing Happens to one Person... The Entire World is Effected.... believe it or not."

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I came to this conclusion several times after first finding out that Petr9 made this USA Version of Astroseek when my Friend Died...

Events like this has happened several times since I´ve taken notice of patterns such as that...

I´ve seen other patterns with other People as well... there are periods of Times where multiple People suddenly have Great Gains all at once... and others Lose... or Go through Traumatic Events and Losses...

It´s like a cycle of push and pull... relative gains and relative losses...

And there seems to be a Balance to the Cycle as well...

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But I digress... I´m probably starting to sound crazy... which I am... but... I hate being Serious and sounding Crazy at the same time...

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Oh well... hope that Helps.

Iceblu333 » IceSíckle And also, I mean have you been in a Room of Mirrors that Reflects your image countless times?

OK, now... think about this Universe... and how Planets revolve around the Sun...

And now think about an Atom and how Nuetrons, Electrons and Protons revolve around each other...

It is very similar...

But go even further... think about how many Atoms are on this Earth... it´s countless...

If you look at a Glass Cup... there are countless Atoms making that Item...

But what if all of those atoms were Universes... but not just universes... But exact copies of our Current Universe...

Hell there could be atoms moving at a different speed... so not exactly our current Universe but... some being in differing times as well... maybe in one universe you are just being born... in another... you´re 76 years of age... or in another dinosaurs are walking the earth...

And if you look at the Periodic table... the amount of atoms determine an Element...

So what if Size in our current awareness does not actually matter...

What if time/the speed and rotation of the earth didn´t matter, either...

And there were multiple copies of you in reality... but not in this universe... but in another Universe/Form.

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It´s so much to think about...

So, no I don´t think about God... and Supposed Rumors of God...

Iceblu333 » IceSíckle Additionally, have you ever had a Dream that felt so real... that you couldn´t distinguish it from Reality?

The Funny thing is... I have those Dreams all the Time... and in those dreams... I have "False" memories of previous events that lead to my situation in that dream...

So...

Not only am I faced with the fact that I will never know the Truth... but I am faced with the fact that my Memories can be lost or replaced at anytime and I would never know... it will be like one of those vivid dreams... with false memories...

So, I don´t think nor care about the concept of God anymore because it is to much to think about and understand.

I have other perspectives... but that is the Gist of it.

Iceblu333 » IceSíckle I just don´t care... about it.

Understand, if you can predict "EVERYTHING" using Astrology... then that means that everything was planned from the Beginning... we are just living it...

So, when you say "God"... what I see is Just His apparent plan...

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Also, Understand... there are different Realities that each person has to live... different Fates... one person succeeding means that someone else loses... but it goes beyond even that... Everything is like dominoes...

One thing effects another... and another... and another in a Huge.... long game... or Cycle...; When one thing Happens to one Person... The Entire World is Effected.... believe it or not.

So, what do I think of God? At this point I don´t.

My thoughts are more so, why the fuck is all of this stuff happening? What is the End Game...

And I´m helpless in the fact of knowing that I will possibly never know... because this Earth will keep spinning with or without me.

IceSíckle » Iceblu333 Wait before you do...I wanna hear your thoughts on God..what do you think of the supreme Creator of this universe?

Iceblu333 » IceSíckle OK... now... Back to trolling -