Venus/pluto synastry

May 22, 2019 at 06:55 (UT/GMT)
(Gemini) stigmí
Venus/pluto synastry
I am interested especially in "how it ended" ??

But if you have anything to this - your experiences, insights will be very much appreccieted.

I mean conjunctions, squares, or both sided aspectations. Where is this theme highlighted.

Thank you :17:

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May 26, 2019 at 18:00
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » ram_goat
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"much of the time fisher & I cannot see these areas ourselves :)"

Just speak for yourself and for your account, please, ramgoat.

You don´t know me and you don´t know at all what I see and what I don´t see.


You don´t even have venus/pluto self-experience. Yours is sun/pluto - and completely different. And more ego-centered.

What I don´t mind- or care about- if you don´t get me named in - in your matters. You know quite for sure, what I mean.
May 26, 2019 at 17:56
(Aries) ram_goat » stigmí
Well said, siili.

also glad you can see where fisher & I agree.

much of the time fisher & I cannot see these areas ourselves :)

I am glad at least that other people can see them..
May 26, 2019 at 11:03
(Gemini) stigmí » Fishermansend
So higher life purpose is the key. Because it is not difficult to put out ego when you are in contact with these powers, but you can be smashed by energies that are very low with same principle "forgetting time and surroundings by doing their "thing""....but to stay aware of everything not....

I think this is where you and Ram goat are meeting each other...

I also heard about more levels of scorpio/pluto/8th energy. Never about dove, but about eagle yes. It is about how much are you able to rise above swamp, where live scorpio....emotions, feelings....symbols of eagle are above that...in high purpose and awareness....

as you write listen to an inner instinctive flow and feeling/intuition--this itself causes death of ego i think...difference between passive and flow is very important in this...
May 26, 2019 at 10:44
(Gemini) stigmí » Snm Str
Yes :74: this is really specific :74:
May 26, 2019 at 10:41
(Gemini) stigmí » goldenlion32
I have this aspects to chiron

Tri-Octile Ascendant (2°07’, Separating)
Octile Venus (1°49’, Separating)
Trine Mars (6°06’, Applying)
Trine Saturn (4°59’, Applying)
Bi-Quintile Neptune (0°24’, Applying)

Also venus....but it is not main aspect....anyway i feel my venus as very significant and chiron also because of their place in 4th and 7th house...

So maybe my whole life should be about healing :32:
May 24, 2019 at 01:35
(Pisces) fishscales » Fishermansend
So you would consider your NDE a positive experience? I believe the many people I have heard or read about who say it changed them for the better.
May 24, 2019 at 00:30
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » fishscales
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"the only difference being he is talking about a sign, and you are talking about planetary energy."

the sign is energy of the month.

The effective energy in contact with chart- is planet -Pluto- energy - the sign is not in contact with other signs...signs follow natural zodiac one after the other.

"I believe there are multiple levels of expression of both."

Yes I agree with that - and it also important what a person has already self-experienced as true and has survived- for example near to death experience ...
May 24, 2019 at 00:20
(Pisces) fishscales » Fishermansend
Hmm... I´m confused.

It sounds like you and ram_goat are saying essentially the same thing, the only difference being he is talking about a sign, and you are talking about planetary energy.

I believe there are multiple levels of expression of both.

"Third possibility and higher level in scorpio always includes "a death" of ego experience. Called initiation. Accepting a higher power above you more mighty than you yourself will ever have or be alone for your own."

Agreed--the highest expression of Pluto/Scorpio energy is ego death-- and not just acceptance, but union with, Atman, the Innermost, the Being, or whatever you choose to call it.
May 23, 2019 at 21:36
(Sagittarius) goldenlion32 » stigmí
Because some people have Chiron aspects to Venus and Pluto. It is the key to your soul and part of your soul intention
May 23, 2019 at 21:30
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » fishscales
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I know about this - as the shamanic people use the eagle too.

I don´t share it. For each planet energy you always have three possibilities you can choose.

Live it active or suffer from it passive by refusing to take the energy yourself and be the actor or to get out of it and take responsibility for your own and act consciously and risk to be seen as "actor" and risk to loose all you think about being soo worthy for you.

Third possibility and higher level in scorpio always includes "a death" of ego experience. Called initiation. Accepting a higher power above you more mighty than you yourself will ever have or be alone for your own.

Respect and honour nature power and nature laws and spiritual laws.
May 23, 2019 at 21:25
(Aries) ram_goat » fishscales
It´s been my lived experience too. you find all three kinds of scorpio and
all three expressions of this energy in charts. Mostly you find the negative unevolved kind. that predominates. the other two are rarer.
May 23, 2019 at 21:09
(Pisces) fishscales » Fishermansend
He is saying that there are different octaves of Plutonian energy, low, middle and high, represented symbolically by the scorpion, eagle and dove.

I agree with this.

I had a book that stated something very similar... Identical actually, but I think the symbolic animals were different.
May 23, 2019 at 20:44
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com
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I think the venus / pluto frame is more difficult. eg venus cancer and pluto libra
May 23, 2019 at 20:16
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » ram_goat
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scorpion is the lower octave/expression of scorpio/pluto energy

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No. Scorpio is the higher level offering three possibiliies to choose...

Scorpio/pluto is november when the trees let their leaves go (easily without crying) and retrain energy inside to the roots knowing some new will rise up again in due time.

And no need to feel addicted or to be addicted to someone and to put chains around somebody or to manipulate to keep somebody or to crucify own life to keep a partner in. Trust the deepest source and flow of life.
May 23, 2019 at 19:29
(Gemini) stigmí » ram_goat
Yes finally, thank you very much. Last two posts - thanks also to Fish. Now i feel closer.

I will think about it...
May 23, 2019 at 19:17
(Aries) ram_goat » stigmí
Also, on a somewhat broader conceptual level,

search for terms: scorpio: scorpion, eagle, dove

and read.

scorpion is the lower octave/expression of scorpio/pluto energy

eagle is the middle.

dove is the high octave.

Some people with pluto aspects channel the dark scorpion aspects, in relationships, whatever, all the dark aspects of scorpion energy- obsession, taboo, misuse of power and energy


some take the middle road.

a very few evolve these things to the dove consciousness that is the highest
octave. peaceful, light, evolved and evolving. Supporting life not destroying it or chaining in dark dungeons where things become a perversity and monstrosity.

I mean the answer here is on 2 levels, one more practical and chart based, but
another higher more conceptual level that speaks to the spirit and to the understanding.

You see all three sorts of behavior in relationships..

Maybe this is the thing you were trying to give shape & form to in the original question.

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May 23, 2019 at 18:40
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » stigmí
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Not much, thats why i am asking : )

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Scorpio/Pluto 8th house energy principle is to give up ego or to put own ego under a higher life purpose principle in higher sense preservation of species -to be prepared to give up your own life to rescue life of your own child. What anmial mothers instinctively also do.

What those people instinctively also do to rescue and help someone in danger not thinking about her own life first and risking own life for others.

To follow and to listen to an inner instinctive flow and feeling/intuition giving up control and be in the flow, disregarding normal standards of thinking and behaviour - like scientist do it when evolving something forgetting time and surroundings by doing their "thing" guided by pluto energy being in/on reception with venus/pluto and venus as female passive principle.
May 23, 2019 at 18:16
(Gemini) stigmí » Fishermansend
"But can you imagine what this power is able to do in a good intended way on a higher level ?"

Not much, thats why i am asking : )

Its not only because of me. I know another persons who came through this. I wonder, that there is nobody..
It sounds very good "to get it on higher level" but in fact impacts pf this are lost value, lost borders, chaotic perception of reality and chaotic perception of yourself.
I guess that it doesnt matter how high level you was before, but if you are able to not destroy yourself and to be able to find in biggiest shits of your unconscious your "true yourself".
May 23, 2019 at 18:07
(Gemini) stigmí » Fishermansend
Written with blood yeah :46: :122: :21: :61: :61:

(Sorry for my humour :61: )
May 23, 2019 at 18:03
(Aries) ram_goat » Fishermansend
But can you imagine what this power is able to do in a good intended way on a higher level ?

Politicans abuse this energy very often to manipulate others- then shown in 10th to 12th house - visible society area we are all part of.

#1 & #2 saddest things about it. wasted energy.
May 23, 2019 at 17:58
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » stigmí
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Politicans abuse this energy very often to manipulate others- then shown in 10th to 12th house - visible society area we are all part of.
May 23, 2019 at 17:56
(Aries) ram_goat » Fishermansend
Pluto/venus has a wide rage and everybody experience it different- corresponding to how consiousness is evolved and person able to use plutos energy on a higher principle way.


I need a tshirt that says this..
May 23, 2019 at 17:12
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » stigmí
System message: Post has been written by user Fishermansend, who already deleted profile on this website:
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"Can you explain this little more?"

normally venus/pluto is connected with any desaster and problems of addiction, passion and passionate love, orgies, personal rituals and obsessive habits, see yourself as a victim, sacrifice yourself as victim, get a victim of other people and person. Experience relationships in all darkest edges and darkest emotions - nearly as a question of life to death.

But in fact this isn´t all you can experience.

If venus/pluto is in physical body house or in 7th house it is a physical attraction on people and people tend to follow subconsiously - film actors earn their money with...they are trendsetters people follow and they have kinda power on people. They can use or abuse.

Houses where venus/pluto take place are important to know for its effects and where influence and experience takes place. And what is to be learned.
May 23, 2019 at 16:56
(Gemini) stigmí » goldenlion32
I mean aftermaths, impacts to people who was affected by those synastry aspectations.

Yes i really want to know if everybody feel it different depends on houses and signs where it is, or if there is some information that could connect to all.

Why chiron?
May 23, 2019 at 16:50
(Gemini) stigmí » Fishermansend
"corresponding to how consiousness is evolved and person able to use plutos energy on a higher principle way"

Can you explain this little more?
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