The Bible and Astrology - Discussions, questions

Ghost00 Y´all have been hypnotized. Repeat after me, bow y´all head, close dem eyes! Amen. What does Amen mean? It´s name of Egyptus higher power, Ra´s papa.

If bible had any value why would Jesus idly stand by while babies starve 2 death or worse? It´s just code jive y´all. Fake stories in bible hide the real truth about God, Jesus, Mary. Vous muss go see Jesus, he not able to travel, same god, marie. The gang all in Californie in underground bunkers and gold mines, wineries - short travel per 3H ok, just no 9H. Bible no good, instead read 1st Lutheran church newsletter on g£ttr. If y´all waz vegan y´all would unnerzand. Burp!!! 100010110111011 beeep beeeeep 8AC4E6B9D1 000110100100101010
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Spung A crazy?? video I just came accross, about how the bible is a compilation of Emerald tablets. Hmmm.
Anyone been investigating it closer?

Opal E https://www.deseret.com/2015/3/…

5 major religions and their choice and why of Worshiping Sabbath.

Opal E » Waybread It seems to me that those considerations are actually the same in both religions. They both follow the laws of, and they both seek mercy and forgiveness for their sins.

I have heard the same sentiment in the Islamic faith.

Mercy, love, laws. One common denominator. Religion.

Oh my stars Waybread, you changed your Avatar!

FOWL » Waybread Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom. I truly and deeply appreciate it.

Waybread » FOWL I think that´s a Christian (or post-Christian) interpretation. The idea that Judaism has a God of laws and Christianity has a God of love and mercy, for example. Religious Jews, in contrast, see God as exhibiting law-giving as well as love and mercury.

Anyway, I´ve been studying some of these themes for a few decades. That doesn´t necessarily make me correct, but it does cut down on the swoon factor.

FOWL » Waybread Great points... of course over time the gods all shift and sway. Trying to track one deity over time in any system can make the head swoon. I think there are significant elements of similarity to at least say he is has a strong Saturnian presence at the very least... definitely not a one to one analog.

Waybread » FOWL Hey, thanks.

The Saturn association is not intrinsic to Judaism, but was a gloss (or surmise) by non-Jewish authors.

For one thing, the Jewish sabbath starts on Friday at sundown, and ends on Saturday after sundown. In northern latitudes in winter, we´re talking about a large chunk of Friday and a truncated Saturday.

Saturday is not the Jewish term. Depending upon the dialect, it is called Shabbat or Shabbos, like our word Sabbath. Other days are basically called by their number in the order of the week. The portion of Friday before the sabbath is called Yom Shishi, or 6th day. Sunday is Yom Rishon, the first day heading up the week.

Note that the Sabbath was declared to be the 7th day of rest.

Also, the Jewish God has many ascriptions that do not pertain to Kronos/Saturn. Names like the master and creator of the universe, or the divine consciousness that preceded the Creation. The god Saturn was the son of Uranus, and was not seen as a universal creator god. The Jewish God is anthropomorphized to some extent, but it was forbidden to make idols representing God, which was the opposite of Greek and Roman worship.

All kinds of gods in the ancient world "demanded" temple sacrifices; or at least worshippers gave them sacrifices in various festivals and petitionary prayers. Some ancient cultures practiced human sacrifice, like the Phoenicians. This was not a Jewish practice (cf. the Binding of Isaac.) Sacrificial practices in the Greek and Roman worlds pertained to all of their major gods.

FOWL » Waybread Great info! Thanks Bread!

I would agree with the Greek and Latin Authors however. Jehova bears MANY similarities to Saturn overall, his demands for sacrifice, be it time, animal, or human are extremely Saturnian. The obsession with lineage is extremely Saturnian. The sabbath was on Saturn Day, while the Christians celebrated Sunday...

Waybread FOWL-- this is a great topic.

I think the key is to look at the Bible historically and as a work of literature, whatever else it might be.

The Bible itself actually has very few proscriptions against astrology. It condemns prognostication (false prophecy) and divination in a general way, but specifics against "star-gazers" or Chaldeans (a sub-group of Babylonians most associated with astrology,) are very few.

What the Bible condemns strenuously is worshipping other gods: the First Commandment. The concept of star-worshippers makes little sense today, but anciently the Mesopotamians believed that planets were actual gods, and they did worship them. So the spiritual danger for the Israelites was in worshipping these planetary gods.

The main critique of astrology is in Isaiah 47:13-15. Here the problem with astrologers is that they may predict the future but they are powerless to save themselves or anybody else from it.

Essentially, a God who can create the universe can change it at will; and only He can choose to save people from impending destruction.

The authors of most of the Old Testament lived long before the development of the horoscope. The Babylonians practiced a kind of "whole sky astrology," that was mostly what we would call mundane astrology-- concerned with king and country. Horoscope interpretation for individual personality assessment probably dates from around the 2nd century BCE. It is not prohibited in the Bible.

The Israelites don´t seem to have equated God with Saturn, although some Greek and Latin authors said they did. Baal was a Canaanite rain god. Jesus has solar attributes but is more notably a crop god who dies and is reborn.

As a work of literature, the Bible has some beautiful verses about stars, such as in the Book of Job, cited above. Ancient people used the heavens as a giant celestial calendar and clock.

Of course, some Christian leaders did condemn and prohibit astrology, long after the Bible was codified.

Opal E https://www.biblegateway.com/passag…

A riddle of the sun. Joshua 10: 12-14

King James Version

12 Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.

Opal E » sim Indeed. Science and the use of herbs and drugs is much harder to believe in than miracles.

Jesus was a learned man. He surely could not have been taught the basics of rye and ergot.

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sim Indeed! Shit-so-phrenic!!

nik$Nite89 » Opal E Coooool!

Opal E » nik$Nite89 https://www.scientificamerican.com/…

Ergot

Turned water into wine. When you put ergot into water, it is trippy, like being drunk, but not. Five loaves of bread and two fish, would go a long way. This is something that would have been known by the learned.

When you get it in your rye flour, it mimics the black plague, Nostradamus cured the Black Plague by having all the graineries cleaned.

Drink it high. Eat it die.

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nik$Nite89 Yeah like that story of Jesus miraculously making more fish and bread! He started with two fish, how Piscean is that? It was the story of two fish, five loaves!

Opal E » FOWL Ohmmmmuckohmmm

FOWL » Opal E https://www.youtube.com/watch/…

Opal E » FOWL If Yoko Ono can get recorded, it can’t be worse.

Opal E » Linda Harris And yes, why be limited to thinking inside the box, in the book.

Opal E » Linda Harris 🙂 Laine,

I have read that Job read like a script for a play, and has been performed as one.

FOWL » Linda Harris Song of Songs and Psalms particularly are straight up poetry books. But really it´s hard to get a sense of outside of the language it was written in... of course the music of the words is lost, and in the hands of transcribers how may or may not have had a poetic sense about them... and even if... you are traying to parse the meaning of something with the music... which in some cases can´t practically be done.

Linda Harris » Opal E There is a biblical scholar who says that depending upon the writer at that time, some of the Bible could be see as Poetry....
some of what you quote above seems like poetry...and why not? Why should the Bible be seen only as a history book or a set of events written by "the winners"..or the point of view only of the writer?
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Opal E Job 9:9
Who makes the Bear, Orion and the Pleiades,
And the chambers of the south;

Job 38:32
“Can you lead forth a constellation in its season,
And guide the Bear with her satellites?

Job 38:31-32
“Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades,
Or loose the cords of Orion?
“Can you lead forth a constellation in its season,
And guide the Bear with her satellites?

Job 31:26-28
If I have looked at the sun when it shone
Or the moon going in splendor,
And my heart became secretly enticed,
And my hand threw a kiss from my mouth,
That too would have been an iniquity calling for judgment,
For I would have denied God above.

Opal E » Linda Harris Hahaha!

Well I agree with your entire post. Laine.