Mass hypnosis? - Discussions, questions

doonit » Sæglópur It´s funny that destiny has placed me amongst a bunch of mars themed people in this life and in defense I´ve had to learn to kind of laugh them off or at least take the wind out of their sales wherever possible. Not out of malice but rather in the understanding that mars may burn bright but it doesn´t burn long. Don´t feed the flames! Rather step back and wait for it to cool (and come to its senses).

Sæglópur » doonit I was always told my mouth would get my ass beat.

Worst I ever got was a tooth knocked out and indeed I am sorry for that. Far worse was the loss of employment and by extension many future opportunities, but for them I am not sorry in the least.

doonit » Sæglópur Mercury in aries??? Who woulda guessed?


Hahaha

Sæglópur » doonit Ah, standby for the rare astrology post from me.

Basically I´m always pressed for time (being a father + terrible organizational skills), and my Aries Mercury ruling my Virgo ASC makes for a bossy personage often only capable of fire-hosing information out in a torrent. What makes it onto this forum (one of a couple I´m on) is perhaps a quarter of my thoughts on whatever topics arise.

Aren Levi » doonit You cannot trust religious texts made by people influenced by fallen angels and demons and expect truth.
Only religious texts you can believe Is Bible.
That is my advice.

IceSíckle » doonit The similarities between Lucifer, Prometheus, and Enki are definitely there. But you also see this type of story of a person rebelling against a powerful authority figure in order to enlighten or save humans. Its in movies, plays, religions, anime, and other stories across human history. I personally think the author of Genesis is using a historical narrative rather than a mythological or symbolic narrative. There is so much detail in the creation account in Genesis and reference to real life such as the Eurphrates and Tigres rivers where Eden is near to. You are free to disagree as many think The Eden story is symbolic of a spiritual experience like Kundalini and such. I just think there is a historical account to consider.

There is many ways to interpret the Bible and no one can interpret it perfectly as God intended, but hey we gotta try. Lucifer referencing eternal life is a bit of a stretch since they were immortal prior to the Fall and corruption hadn´t happened yet. The knowing good and evil as the gods interpretation is better since it they did acquire that knowledge. The reason I think God didn´t want Adam and Eve to eat the Tree of Knowledge is because they were already good naturally and knowing evil kind of distorted things. If Lucifer really wanted to help them...why did sin enter the world after they ate that fruit?

I´m happy you are still trying to find understanding of all these stories and trying to find similarities between them because it is interesting how they intermingle. I know you´re not Luciferian , but even if you were that´s ultimately your choice we can learn from each other´s opposing beliefs.

doonit » IceSíckle Also, the "ye shall not surely die" bit is open to a very wide range of interpretations. In fact that entire passage is. Here´s just one possible one...

Ye shall not surely die could be a reference to the same eternal life that the Bible speaks of ad infinitum.

Another..

...as gods, knowing good and evil could be referring to the concept of knowing good and evil as the gods do, rather than being as gods in all ways and so knowing good and evil.

doonit » IceSíckle All valid points, Ice. No argument.

What I have been trying to do is correlate the myths of Prometheus and others, like Enki in the Mesopotamia stories, with the story of Lucifer.Just because they all tell of the advancement of man from being beast-like to the more conscious ability of viewing ourselves from outside ourselves, if you know what I mean. In the Prometheus story the gods didn´t have man´s best interest at heart and Prometheus rebelled in his (uranian) style and came to our rescue. The story of Enki is similar. It´s only in the bible that we are taught that that action was infused with evil.

I´m not a Christian but I´m by no means an atheist and I do strive for the good, where possible, so please don´t get me wrong or think I´m all Luciferian or whatever. I just need to reconcile all these things in my mind and at least attempt to supply myself some answers. I have reached absolutely no conclusions

IceSíckle » doonit Lucifer lied when he took the form of a serpent "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:4-5)

See the problem? Adam and Eve started aging onwards to their death after they ate so that was a lie. Yes they learned Good and Evil but they could not be perfect in their morality as God is. So they weren´t Gods either. They also experienced shame as a result of this. The other problem is pride. Eve wanted to be like God instead of serving God. She was thinking only of herself and her personal gain and Lucifer wanted to bring them down just as God brang him down due to his pride so he tempted her.

I guess those who view pride as a positive trait might look at Lucifer as a role model but pride is very dangerous to your spiritual life. Carnal or Spiritual life...each person must choose what kind of life they want to lead.

doonit » Aren Levi "Does it matter if Lucifer and Satan are not the same person ?"

Yes, it really does. Satan, basically, is your anti-Christ. Lucifer, the bringer of light, is *potentially* (note I don´t say he is definitely) a friend of man. But the story of Adam and Eve is a myth and like all myths it is there to illustrate a concept rather than tell us of an historical event. Which leads me to....

"You choose to follow religion ( greek one ) where Prometheus is celebrated while Greek religion is entirely based on Demons and fallen angels.
I think that is not a healthy approach"

No, I choose to read and come to some understanding of mythology and what the (incredibly intelligent and wise) ancients were trying to tell us. I choose to keep my mind open rather than shut in some religious box where all else is "not a healthy approach". There is just too much out there that we should only ignore at our peril.

doonit » Sæglópur Another good post, Saeg. Much to agree with and a lot to discuss of an evening.

How do you manage to pack so much into so small a space?

doonit » stellium12 "One concept that is not being discussed is "Fear is control". Throughout history a small group of power hungry people have used fear to control the masses. Be it the monarchs, the high priests of organized religion, government officials, the wealthy elite of today. It all comes from when the masses start becoming fearless and independent, a new crisis is formed to get the masses in-line once again. Covid was a test run to see what percent of the population will be controllable and who will not comply. The fear they put into people through manipulation and concealment of data, narratives that divide by labeling the unvaccinated as the problem, (that was taken right out of Hitler´s with ostracizing the Jewish faith). Something to think about."

I think about this a lot and I think you´re completely right. Moreover I think it is the same people, or their generations, that have been doing all the fear-mongering all through history. They´re excellent planners and testers. They don´t plan in days or even months...they plan in centuries!

Aren Levi » stellium12 Interesting

Aren Levi » doonit Yes there is written that Satan is tempter and tempted Eve.
Does it matter if Lucifer and Satan are not the same person ?

You choose to follow religion ( greek one ) where Prometheus is celebrated while Greek religion is entirely based on Demons and fallen angels.
I think that is not a healthy approach.

I do not think it was a magick apple that created new super sense in human brain.
It was a simple apple and it was a test.
The reason why they understood difference between right and wrong after eating the apple is because it was forbidden and their FIRST guilt of breaking the rule their father gave them created FIRST understanding that it was wrong - thanks to a guilt and because of that we now. It is our nature given from God.
Thanks to that we understood something we had inside but maybe God wanted us to not experience such a bad feeling as guilt, but also gave us choice to do so.
Satan constantly tests our "guilt" meter to make God angry.
Testing us is for him like testing the God since we are created in his image.

Would you be happy if every moral choice would be decided for you by GOD ?
Would you enjoy life ?

If you choose to sin and feel no guilt or you have no desire to be better even after 2nd chance which i believe God always give.
Then i probably understand why those people have to burn and be destroyed in the lake of fire.
Or maybe it is another test and who knows what will happen.

As God will not take away free will of someone that wants to save someone life.
I believe God will not take away free will of someone that wants to take someone life.

If he is not stopping good deeds, he will not stop bad deeds.
It is a fair game.

Wolfmoon » stellium12 Exactly generations of children given over to the system in their formative years.

Easiest way to indoctrinate a person is for an adult (authority figure) lying to an adolescent. They have not yet developed discernment and have no pretext to question. They´ll accept it as truth for they have faith in the authority is looking out for their best interests.

This is why home schooling is so important

Wolfmoon » stellium12

The only weapon TBTB has ever had to use against us was the media. The infiltration of the mind. The best way to defeat a people is to demoralize them first.

We have the numbers and the guns. The majority have no spirit. Propagandised to the point of self defeat.

The amount of people who sit there, blinkered to the "news". They´re getting funneled programming. Every news station has swirling logos at the beginning. Why? All similar colors. Why? All presenters reading the same script. Why? Every source of "news" in the world comes from two Jewish owned companies.

Everything is tested and designed to capture your attention and mind. The world is a scary place. Don´t go outside. Fear porn told me not to. Don´t touch the door handle, the boogie flu will get you. WoooOooooOo

"But da noos for ekonomik or Spurt"

All designed to distract and demoralise. Red numbers mean bad. Big words and arrows pointing down. The economy is a false fixture designed to keep the food production going. Anything outside of that is to promote greed.

The feelings of exaltation people have watching grown children throw a ball to each other. The heart crushing defeat when said children lose there whatever.

You try and tell people that magnets are involved. It´s like you´re speaking another language. Some people can´t even see the nepotism in sport. It´s just another family business.

Generations of mental idleness wasted on screens and puppets. Most too engrained in their worship of BS they fall asleep to it.

Sæglópur Similarly, I am amidst a group of men and women on a chat app with some also living nearby. However, by 2021 most of us had largely moved past this question of mass psychosis you posed, and those who believed the mandates would end have since been vindicated (embarrassingly I must admit I was not among them - I ascribed more malevolence to the whole thing than I now believe to be the case). Vaccine mandates in my "country" (such as it is) have been struck down by our Supreme Court, and the "COVID tyranny" always seems to be places I am not. The tyranny definitely seemed worse in places like Canada, but it also blended with events like the truckers´ strike there - which was ended as soon as the Russian invasion began and any striking truckers had their bank accounts unceremoniously frozen and we´re prosecuted under arcane "anti-terrorism" laws. It´s disgusting how one event happens and the entire public consciousness is shifted while the captured state and institutions destroy their detractors.

Anyway, in this chat group recently I asked why so many people were still obsessing over COVID tyranny and ghoulishly celebrating whenever somebody dropped dead of potential adverse side effects.

A brighter fellow than me immediately replied, "Because they just like it. That´s all," followed by, "...it means they don´t have to do anything while the ´bad people´ just start dying off. Two more weeks!" Etc. Fortunately however that has not been the case and while at present there do seem to have been some serious issues with the vaccines (1 in 800 according to Pfizer´s own documentation, FAR higher than normal such medical interventions), these supposed mass die-offs have not materialized.

Meanwhile in my country people my age and younger are killing themselves at ever-increasing rates for simple lack of any economic opportunity, and opiates are claiming more lives than ever while the g3nocidal culprits rake in billions and walk free. Anti-vax-maxxers won´t touch that as they are real issues that get little to no press.

And that´s the rub I guess - COVID/death shot-enjoyers generally dont have to talk about racial issues or Jews except perhaps as victims rather than overall beneficiaries - exposing THEIR mass psychosis as the White race is slowly extinguished and replaced in their countries by military-aged males from the third world that are given mostly a free hand to rape and pillage on government dole as they please. If you don´t believe me go check out Twitter: all that´s discussed is a tyranny that´s no longer a thing in most places while the actual tyranny is censored by a White billionaire bugman from South Africa that has spent precisely $0 on improving the lives and safety of his own people from his country of origin ("Kill the Boer!" is a "popular" song sung there).

Instead his team censors any mention of even FBI crime statistics (despite lack of statistical data-keeping in the past two years Table 43 still warrants particular attention) or Albert Bourla or any of the other Jewish pharma CEOs who are far more responsible for this mess than shabbos goofballs like Bill Gates or Klaus Schwab, neither of whom even bothered to show up to the much-vaunted World Economic Forum this year. On that meeting, this year the primary topic was complaint about how nobody listened to them. Guess the WEF doesn´t hold as much sway as these COVID tyranny enjoyers said it did, and in fact it was just the Grammy´s to ZOG´s Hollywood - an awards show for the elites at best, but not the source of the agendas.

The world is going multipolar, ZOG is scrambling (they are having to take munitions stocks from Israel now OH GAWD), Bakhmut will fall to the Russians (who´ve made no shortage of blunders but they drive on), and I am optimistic despite the fact that the darkest days are likely yet to come.

The future belongs to those that show up, and despite my glaring lack of religiosity, I plan to wear my Sunday´s Best.

Sunnyshadow The term I´ve been hearing is mass psychosis, or mass formation psychosis. Seems there might be something to it.

I think lots of people are easily manipulated and desperately desire to be part of the collective. Lack of individuality and independent thought

doonit » Aren Levi It´s interesting that the Bible doesn´t call the snake that tempted Eve Satan. It says that was Lucifer. And never does it suggest that Lucifer is Satan. Ever.

I´m tempted to associate that Lucifer with Prometheus, the ultimate benefactor and friend of mankind. The one who stole fire from the gods, to his own detriment, in order to give it to us to create light, knowledge, the ability to cook our food and to forge our metals.

I struggle a lot with the question of why the eating of the apple should be a sin. Or why God would have wanted us not to. Why having choice, knowledge
and an advanced consciousness should be such a terrible burden. Why would God allow us to make our stupid choices between heaven and hell, to be sent there for all eternity? Eternity is a very long time! Why would God allow a kid to be rejected by his parents and thus not be given the opportunity to develop the faculty for attachment, only to become a rapist and murderer and be sentenced to an eternity in hell? It makes no sense to me. Note, I´m not trying to outguess God... I´m feeling more and more that the Bible may have been grossly mis-translated for some or other reason.

Ana Cerveza » doonit You´re pretty lucky in that way, because mine was horrible and had a negative side effect.

Aren Levi » doonit I believe in smt else:

My opinion is that Adam and Eve had it all, they were enjoying paradise.
God enjoyed his creation.
Then Satan came and showed them what is sin. How it tastes.
That created duality in them on a moral level.
They were exiled, God gave them complete freedom as father gives his children when time is right.

They showed their flaw because of falling for sin, but in reality it is our perfection. Because despite being confronted by constant ability to sin, we choose to be on a rightous path most of the time (most of us i hope) and our struggle with sinning is meter of our might.

I do not think God made people starve, suffer or he did not made anyone kill or rape.
That is our own deeds fueled by temptation wheel made by Satan, this wheel is called our modern world.

God is there to guide you through this world to reach him.

And if God tests you, it is always because he wants you to use this test for benefit of others. He knows youll succeed because he never stops having faith in you.

Why God does not stop every raping and killing ? Because we all have free will.
Free will to rape and kill.
So do not blame God, blame people.

Do not hate people, forgive them. Because they are fighting the same battle on your side.

doonit » Aren Levi "Because he wants to be and always is victorious and known for it"

My opinion differs from that slightly. I´ve come to believe that this is all part of God´s plan. That, beginning with the story of Eve´s apple, we were given choice as a feature of our humanity. God´s plan is to place in our paths all the circumstances that force us to choose between right and wrong. It is God that makes life difficult and causes pain and suffering and it is our choice of response that brings us salvation, or not. In this view God is not there to fly in and help us. He has left us to do that for ourselves. Also in this view, satan (if such a thing exists at all) is there to bring us the comfort, ease and wealth, and all the things that can tempt us to be lazy, glutonous, superior, wasteful and corrupt. Humanity as a collective is now at one of those points where the choices we make in the face of all our challenges will decide what the next phase in our evolution will be. As shit as it may seem to us living it now, this is actually a necessary step for us to climb in order to grow as a spiritual species. At least as individuals we should endeavour to think, and choose correctly!

Aren Levi » doonit I heard few days ago interesting fact some Christian preachers say.

That when world is in the darkest place, God always shows up to save the day.
Because he wants to be and always is victorious and known for it.
He can do it by mirracles or by his chosen people.

I think worst is yet to come

doonit » Graham Ach, not really Graham. We´re normal people in that we feel whatever WE do and think is the correct thing. Saying that, so many things that have happened in the last few years make no logical sense that we can find and logic is logic, after all. It´s there or it isn´t. An example would be the fetish that the world fell into of sanitising surfaces and hands when from the very beginning covid was an AIRBORNE virus. That is but a small part of a very long list of things that made no sense to us, and so we came together to discuss an share.

"Some 40 years ago now ... during a meeting of myself, 4 peers and our manager ... the manager said "Graham, you see things the other 4 do not see". I replied with "do you mean I see things that are not there, or the others are not seeing things that ARE there". ... And he responded with "I shall leave that for you to reflect upon over time".]"

Nice! I like that

Graham » doonit "Might the separation simply be ´ability to trust others´ vs ´inability to trust others´?"

Of course this could be a possibility. No question. And it could most definitely be a factor. But my feeling it´s not the only explanation, or even a major contributor.
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What I am asking though is ... has your group considered the possibility that it might be themselves (rather than the non-believers) whom they really need to question?

[Some 40 years ago now ... during a meeting of myself, 4 peers and our manager ... the manager said "Graham, you see things the other 4 do not see". I replied with "do you mean I see things that are not there, or the others are not seeing things that ARE there". ... And he responded with "I shall leave that for you to reflect upon over time".]