Who is the more obsessed ( venus and pluto ) in synastry ? - Discussions, questions

jaderosez It depends and I´ll give you the following scenerios:

Person A has their venus aspected by pluto by everyone in their generation so they meet someone and their composite has no pluto aspects at all between Person A and B:

Person A is just going to feel creeped out and feel uncomfortable and look at the world through feeling as if everyone is out to manipulate them through 2nd/7th/8th house means. Like everyone cares about beauty, money and status kind of things.

Person A will leave. Person B might get obsessed with Person A IF Person B has a venus-pluto aspect of their own.

Second scenerio: Person A has a venus aspect pluto and then later comes upon someone with their pluto aspecting another person´s venus (maybe in a different generation) so what Person A will then do, is use 2nd/8th/7th house means to control the venus ESPECIALLY if the composite chart also says they have a venus-pluto aspect. This is because they were always taught that in order to get love and affection, you have to use beauty, sex, and resources.
With moon pluto, it´s using 4th house things like emotional manipulation.
Simultaneously, they´ll be insecure about all of these things so they´ll show bouts of jealousy and insecurity. Like if someone prettier/richer than them walked by etc.

Now how I´ve seen this to play out though is sometimes, IF composite chart says venus-pluto, And person B even though they are not the pluto person, they also have a venus-pluto natally in their chart, how I see this play out is that the venus person after the pluto leaves becomes addicted to the love-bombing, intensity, and the attention. Pluto basically lovebombed and psychologically manipulated venus.

So they go through other relationships, trying to find the same intensity in other relationships but they are unable to. Pluto strategically planted his seed before he left for this very reason.

If Venus ever comes back, Pluto will hold the fact that venus came back against her. Pluto might even do the ghosting and ensure venus never finds him.

ariesssxx » LotusStar Interesting and how can we see who is pluton in this aspect?

LotusStar » luelle "Pluto´s like the crazy ex-girlfriend to me"

true that

I had Pluto opposite Venus twice, both times I was Pluto. I would say the obsession was mutual. But I feel like Pluto is more control obsessed, and Venus is more in love. Then again I have Pluto rising and I always get obsessed.

ariesssxx » luelle thanks to you you have summarized everything I think it is well and truly clear and from what I have seen that pluto is more obsessed than venus

luelle I think Pluto is more obsessed. Scorpio is ruled by Pluto, Pluto symbolizes rebirth, death, secrets, and obsession. Why do Scorpios have a bad rep? They´re known for their obsession and possessiveness. (No offence to the Scorpios, I am obsessed with Scorpios) But we all know once a Scorpio is fixated upon you, it´s game over. I def associate the intense and alluring Scorpio more with obsession than I do with the charming Libra or the steady Taurus. Venus is associated with romance and art. Venus doesn´t strike me as destructive... at least not in the way Pluto is. When I picture Venus I think of big manors in the French country side, fountains in Rome, marble floors, peach trees, and big oil paintings hanging on the walls of art museums. The words I would associate with Venus are exquisite and luxurious. Venus to me is much more gentle and feminine. I know Pluto is also a feminine planet but it does not embody feminine energy in the same graceful manner that Venus does, does not take up the same space. Because Venus is all about aesthetics, romance, and material possessions. Pluto is much more intense as well as destructive. Pluto´s like the crazy ex-girlfriend to me.

ariesssxx » astreo Indeed it depends but from a personal perspective I have the impression that pluto is more involved

astreo I like to have dates all the time, I suppose that meeting people is one of my favorite hobbies, so I am always doing a lot of synastry, what I have noticed is that the slower planet applies its energy to the faster planet, in this case , Pluto to Venus, (but this is just me and it is the perspective I have so far, I can be wrong).

Pluto is not obsessive at first glance, he is an extremist, he can take his distance to avoid chaos, so when you meet people with this square, you can see that this is how they make their decisions, very radically, when they think that the relationship is not going to function, they move away definitively, to avoid pain, they do not know in-between points.
Of course, this may or may not be obvious, an example that I will not forget is, once my Pluto was strongly SQUARE and, in a very narrow 1 degree orb, to another person´s poor Moon, this person was It ended up moving away from me, I assumed the thing felt very strong, so, as a protection mechanism, it disappeared.

It will also depend on how much internal work the person has done with himself, I suppose that obsession will not occur if this is already resolved in his psyche. If in his natal chart it has the same square, it will be more accentuated.

A clear example that I have is that I met a person with THE SAME BIRTH CHART, with the same ascendant as me and the same locations. It was clear that this person has not worked on their squares.

It´s like reading your own birth chart

What do you feel more, Saturn squaring your Moon, or Saturn squaring Neptune?

I´m not saying that the square with Neptune is not important or that it does not have a less significant impact, because clearly it will, but

I would bet on the Moon ...

Although, as many say here and that is true, the graph reads complete and, if this is in conjunction with an angle, it can take on a greater impact than the Moon ...