Your Natal Guts - Discussions, questions

JayJayAstrology » pluto°rising Well, it does take a while of astrological study before the intuition can have free play. It´s frustrating to most people. I´ve studied and quit, studied and quit, studied a quit - a whole bunch of times - because it takes so darn long to take it all in so the intuition can have a field day. But it´s worth it in the end. I never stop learning something . . . it´s endless.

Yeah, this theme of intuition came up in my astrology class right before your post. We astrologers tend to assign intuition to Aquarius and Pisces. It is true that these are intuitive signs - in different ways - but then, I wonder if all signs have their own special intuition - defined as inner knowing. I don´t think we can assign Soul to a sign or planet, and I´m thinking maybe we can´t assign intuition to a sign or planet either - because what is it? Isn´t it kind of a connection with Soul? The soul is the fount of intuitive knowing, isn´t it? And why wouldn´t it come through each sign´s special lens?

Thank you for the post - because it really got me thinking more about it. There are many things like this that I wonder about in our astrology education. The field is so young in so many ways. So, these are the kinds of thought-provoking questions that really need to be asked. Keep them coming! 🙏

pluto°rising » JayJayAstrology As an aside... it would be really great if intuition would pull a little more weight in the astrology studies so I can get where I´m going

pluto°rising » JayJayAstrology I feel the same, different intuitions, but can´t explain them as eloquently or clearly yet in regards to my chart. All these detailed answers help me very much to connect my own dots.

Sometimes I "see" what comes next and sometimes I follow.
Sometimes I "hear" what should be said and sometimes I say it.
Sometimes I "feel" the expression on the face of others and sometimes I support it.
Sometimes I "experience" what motivates a thing and sometimes I move toward it.


I like that your answer further details sign-specific intuitions. The day-to-day intuition is stronger for me than in major decision making maybe, I tend to overthink and have a harder time sorting smarts and senses.

Don´t suppose there is a right or wrong way on most things, just one way that will get you where you´re going and one way that won´t.

pluto°rising » Jaided Both my parents were hard asses, both military and ...hard asses... very little feels went on at home on a daily basis

Not great at picking these things out yet but looking at their charts things that stand out....
my dad only had one personal planet aspect - Moon in Virgo opposite Venus in Pisces
my mom was Moon in Scorpio trine Venus in Gemini with Venus square Neptune in Virgo

both gone, now i´m the hard ass ...

JayJayAstrology I love the thread! Such interesting comments. But, when I think about the questions asked, I think that I have different kinds intuitions. When making major decisions, I always do the list thing - use logic - but I always go with my gut. With the smaller stuff, it´s a mix, because it doesn´t matter so much - so I won´t take the time to "listen" necessarily. Maybe I´m 60-40 there. But I think it was Fishscales who mentioned some emotional need can overpower intuition - and - I think that is very true. An emotional need throws all logic out the window, and, intuition requires quietly listening - and for me, usually plays off my rational thoughts about the situation.

My Uranus square Sun, sesqui-square Moon and sextile Venus type intuition is that quiet voice that usually knows something if I listen.

The gut intuition is probably more akin to the Virgo rising with Saturn in it - my gut usually feels logical and practical in the end - but I guess it´s mixed with Sag Moon - because I always look for what makes me happy when making decisions. Am I going to feel happy doint this? The Virgo intuition feels right when I go with the practical, logical conclusion - but it comes across as a feeling - an intuitive gut decision - that feels I will be happiest deciding this rather than that.

My Pisces-like intuition is more imaginative and fantastical - and I don´t trust it AT ALL. It is often WRONG.

My Aries intuition - I follow every day - I definitely move through my day intuitively, doing what I intuit is right for the moment. I like doing what feels right in the moment - and it´s only a personal right - just a feeling I follow - and my whole body feels it.

I´m not sure that if the way I´m thinking of it astrologically is all together right, but it´s what I think at the moment.

Jaided » pluto°rising I have a major Cap stellium Father, he was far too logical to care about intuition, lol. You and I both have Capricorn Sun and Virgo rising, it´s hard to shut off the logic and tap into the psyche/spiritual intuition at times no matter how much intuition power is hidden beneath!
I´m pretty sure using my intuition more this past year rather than doing what´s expected of me is the reason my father and I don´t have a lot to talk about these days

pluto°rising » bruhmoment Yikes, that was meant to reference Neptune as also influencing my 3rd house along with Mercury and yes Jupiter as well. Sorry for being clear as mud!

Really appreciate you guys looking out for me :)

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Neptune doesnt conjunct mercury in your 3rd house but mercury and jupiter does!

pluto°rising » fishscales "Would probably have similar effects in the 4th and 12th"

My Pluto conjunct ascendant squares my Sun in the 4th and my Moon in Cancer in the 10th in opposition...won´t lie there´s always been a fair amount of anxiety in bed with my intuition lol...

pluto°rising » Jaided "I was always taught to ´use my head´..I´ve always had good intuition but my head was like ´nope, shut it off´."

This influence was in my upbringing, it took a long while for me to realize how important my intuition is. Astrology is helping me sort out these and many other things as well.

pluto°rising » bruhmoment I have moon on the MC in Cancer so this resonates with me. I have Mercury in the 3rd in Sagittarius with Neptune so I´ll have to dig into that on the logical intuition. I hadn´t considered this as a possible source of intuition. Thanks for the detailed reply!

fishscales » Etherealmind "---> with MARS ?? I don´t get how ..."

In the 8th, yes...

In addition to being a Plutonian house, the 8th is an intuitive house, and also one that gets to the root cause of things...

Mars there activates and energizes these tendencies.

Would probably have similar effects in the 4th and 12th.

pluto°rising » goldenlion32 I feel the same. It´s in part what made me ask. I´m close or acquainted with some people who don´t seem to trust theirs. I´ve watched them consistently not choose between intellect or intuition and instead go with majority rules advice.

pluto°rising » Etherealmind "Also my Pluto conjunct Ascendant helps too for my gut feeling !! It´s like being sometimes able to see behind appearances and uncouciously wearing dark/special glasses to perceive the world around you, perceiving HIDDEN things "

I have this too and find this to be absolutely true. It´s a different feel than the intuition of my Cancer moon. Similar it seems to the different feels between Uranus and Neptune intuition mentioned by Fishscales.

pluto°rising » fishscales "You´ve got to remember, planets are not signs. Uranus is a lot less "logical" than Aquarius..."

There´s so much information, I keep getting turned around, thank you!

The whole reply very helpful too.

Jaided A lot more now than I used to. I was always taught to ´use my head´ and with all my earth and air (mercury in Aquarius) it´s easy for me to ignore my intuition. Learning astrology has helped so much though. My 8th moon and my 12th chiron have definitely made an impact there. I´ve always had good intuition but my head was like ´nope, shut it off´.

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Not really I think my sun on the MC in cancer and my sun trines moon even though the orb is quite huge. Sun conj NN can give like a subconscious drive to follow a goal naturally and then I have pluto in 3rd, and then I have uranus trine moon, and I think saturn in 8th helps with intuition. I have mercury in 9th (specifically gemini) which gives me logical intuition. I´ve been told that gemini mercury has a good rep for being so psychic because they notice the most weird stuff. I have moon square neptune (orb is quite huge but once again I have intuition) moon in 1st. ETC. I think if I look into it more I could find more intuitive stuff. I think intuition is being stubborn and not being brainwashed, because once you do, you cant look at the truth again and your emotions will be controlled.

Etherealmind » fishscales It´s like you described..."special glasses"..."x-ray vision"...??..."the special ability to see through bullshit"...??...

---> with MARS ?? I don´t get how ... personally for me it´s more about being in action in the shadow, slightly mistrustful and think "strategic" before doing something but it´s not about gut feelings ....

> If you are lucky, you can also use those kinds of assessments on yourself, and hopefully figure some things out...

It could but when you have tons of tense aspects in your charts so energies/forces coming from different planets and which DON´T get well with each other it´s still difficult even if Pluto makes you aware

fishscales » Etherealmind "You feel the same way with your 8th house Mars ? Like being able to be intuitive through your actions ? I have Mars in Scorpio 12th house but I feel like I don´t really use it regarding gut feeling! How do you use your Mars 8H ?"

It´s like you described..."special glasses"..."x-ray vision"...??..."the special ability to see through bullshit"...??...

The Plutonian, or Mars/Pluto intuition seems to have alot to do with people to me, or character analysis...you just seem to have an inexplicable understanding of why people do the things they do...and also that they do some things to cover up, or compensate, for other things...

It can basically understand all the moving parts of a personality, and how they interact with, and affect eachother...

If you are lucky, you can also use those kinds of assessments on yourself, and hopefully figure some things out...

goldenlion32 I used it every day. I believe you use your intuition in everything you do and every relationship.

Etherealmind » fishscales You feel the same way with your 8th house Mars ? Like being able to be intuitive through your actions ? I have Mars in Scorpio 12th house but I feel like I don´t really use it regarding gut feeling! How do you use your Mars 8H ?

Oh yeah I can uncounciously perceive the different kind of feelings/intuition each of these 3 planets can create !! I described them in my previous post in a very spontaneous way so kinda "letting flow things".


In any case, I always get emotional talking about gut feelings topics I don´t know why but it´s something that made me experience till now uncommon events and remembering them always makes me emotional. It´s almost like my soul gets emotional ..

WELL

fishscales » Etherealmind "Also my Pluto conjunct Ascendant helps a bit too it´s like being sometimes able to see behind appearances and uncouciously wearing dark/special glasses to perceive the world around you "

That´s how I feel about my 8th house Mars, and probably also 12th house Pluto.

It´s interesting how you distinguished between the different qualities of Neptunian/Uranian/Plutonian intuition.

I feel exactly the same way.

Etherealmind I´d say I use 50% intuition 50% rationality/common sense and when I followed my intuition I was right in 90% of cases ... I really hope it´ll keep helping me through years ...

I think that my Moon conjunct Uranus can give me VERY SUDDEN ideas which could lead me to a sort of intuition and to compose music it helps too!

My Neptune trine Midheaven also gives me a sort of intuition maybe through imagination/illusions/like a illusional mind but often connected with higher planes and intuition ... in any case it´s my feeling ... so it helps for all the topics related to midheaven.

Also my Pluto conjunct Ascendant helps too for my gut feeling !! It´s like being sometimes able to see behind appearances and uncouciously wearing dark/special glasses to perceive the world around you, perceiving HIDDEN things

fishscales » pluto°rising "Surprised at first glance to see Aquarius moon less intuitive but makes sense followed by the pointer to the logical nature of Aquarius."

It´s honestly a concept I´m kind of on the fence about. But now that we´re on the subject, another thing I think may interfere with an Aqua moon´s intuition is their ideals...if something suits them idealistically, they may pursue it, even though other parts of themselves may feel some red flags.

I´m not going to say it´s the least intuitive moon, but I don´t think it´s the most, either.

"Does that make the Uranus conjunct ascendant a bit reserved concerning intuition too?"

I don´t think so. I think Uranus conj asc is a pretty intuitive placement. You´ve got to remember, planets are not signs. Uranus is a lot less "logical" than Aquarius...Aquarius has that Saturn influence, which is going to make it more likely to deal with concrete, observable "facts" than Uranus alone.

Also, I think Uranian intuition is a bit different than say, Neptunian intuition. Neptunian intuition is kind of always there, operating in the background, quietly, and guiding you if you let it.

Uranian intuition is more like a flash, all-encompassing comprehension of something...it´s kind of hard to explain. Maybe it´s a bit more mental than Neptune, but still not rooted in the concrete, rational mind, which is something both types of intuition have in common.

pluto°rising » fishscales Surprised at first glance to see Aquarius moon less intuitive but makes sense followed by the pointer to the logical nature of Aquarius.

Does that make the Uranus conjunct ascendant a bit reserved concerning intuition too?

I considered including the question of how often following intuition pays off, it felt of lesser importance in the vein of keeping it simple, but it is quite relevant, glad you included that.