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Jun 7, 2021 - 07:55
Sun Sign - Leotomdos » moongirl1
Who said that you need to be in a relationship to experience love? Oh, I know, the society, the movies and songs, the „natural order of things“. I would say that Love (notice the big L) and relationship almost contradict one another. What we experience in relationship is the dim reflection of Love at best. It almost seems that prerequisition to experiencing true, divine love, is learning to be alone. Through loneliness one searches for the wholeness inside instead of outside. Searching outside is projection, a surrogate that creates all kinds of dependence we foolishly call many names (including love) instead of its true name.

I understand though, at your age you have a right to feel this way. Though I can say that you are overthinking things and suffer from anxiety. Thats is also natural and comes hand in hand with some of the placements. That is a hint that your inner self may want to take another step on the journey, maybe through the lesson of being alone. Your young personality and psyche, heavily influenced by the superficial social paradigm, is confused. The social paradigm is stronger than the voice of the soul, which has been systematically oppressed. This is dilemma we all share, yet only some are mature and strong enough the prefer what the soul desires at the cost of what socially formed ego wants (or rather thinks that it wants).

It is only when we let go that we can realize that nothing and nobody else was holding us in the suffering.

In my opinion 12th house placements are often a gift - or rather a reward. It just may hurt before one realizes the inevitability of things and notices the mysterious open door which are invisible to most, yet can be symbolized by some 12th placements.

My advice? Time will resolve your issue for sure. You can maybe speed up the process by trying to be as true as possible to your (inner) self. That may bring a more intense pain at a shorter time. Though my experience is that it is hard to distinguish the true voice of inner self and takes time and mistakes to learn to do so. So – a vicious cirlce – o rather a spiral of growth.

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Jun 7, 2021 - 07:53
Sun Sign - LibraBeatrixKiddo » moongirl1
Hi,
I don´t use houses system except of Asc, Dc, Mc, Ic. In my opinion you should look at position of venus and mars. And its aspect. Your venus in aries and your mars in sagittiraus. You are exciting, speedy, fiery (I mean hot or fire), direct, outspoken in relationship. And also you show your love immediately. And your venus and mars has pluto aspect. Mars conjuct pluto and venus trine pluto. You are passionate in love. To me you should carreful about man. You can encounter plutonic man. They can be jeaoulus, possessions, and angry man. Take care of yourself.
Sorry my english if you don´t understand me. It´s not so good. See ya
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Jun 7, 2021 - 07:44
Sun Sign - SagittariusGoldenSen » moongirl1
I have the same placement. My 12th house is ruled by Scorpio is double whammy. A lot of hit and miss relationship, good thing about is you learn from those relationship and grow from it. One thing about it is that you will easily get attracted to those who are beyond your reach or to those who are questionable partner. That is the beauty of astrology, if there is no surprises what is the fun of it? :61:
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Jun 7, 2021 - 07:43
Sun Sign - TaurusAstro-Seek.com » moongirl1
You don´t offer any information about your experience or feelings other than your astrological interpretations.. Anyway, as symbols of male energy in your life, Sun in pisces and 12th house Saturn show that partner who may be best for you like some kind of solitude and is able to share it with you. Ruler of 7th house, house of marriage, is in 12th house too.

Also, it´s good to realize that we currently live in a culture that is totally obsessed with sex and love between sexes. It´s ok to be alone and do other things, maybe expressing love in more broader manner. I bet you kinda like certain aspects of your solitary nature and part of your fear is based on social pressure. Being in your place, I would try to transform your loneliness into sense of independence from rush and often quite empty social life and learn how to read peoples characters from place of that mindset.

This is not complex chart reading, just some insights seen at first glance! Please keep it in mind. :173: :152:
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Jun 7, 2021 - 02:26
Sun Sign - AquariusAdmiral Hill » moongirl1
Overthinking a lot of this.

Get into a relationship and see what happens and gather data from there, not in the reverse.

That being said I know someone with Venus 12th and they´re not suffering and have had fulfilling relationships.
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Jun 7, 2021 - 01:43
Sun Sign - ScorpioOS* » moongirl1
Im Libra rising with Venus-Jupiter-Saturn in the 12th (same as you) . . . what you just said, I feel like Im the one who wrote it. 💯Resonate.
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Jun 6, 2021 - 12:52
Sun Sign - GeminiAmberMoon » moongirl1
I don´t instantly see this negative undertone for relationships in the chart. And maybe that´s just positive me 🙂.


Your 7th house is where your relationships are. Chiron is there. There is healing to be gotten from a relationship, so why would you run from it.

And the ruler of that 7th house, Jupiter, is in the 12th.
Combining the sign of your 7th house, Sagittarius (foreign) with 12th house (distant lands) adds up to long distance relationships or finding that special someone in another country.

That as such shouldn´t have to be bad.

Are your experiences so far pushing you in that direction?
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Jun 5, 2021 - 23:57
Sun Sign - Virgorohini moon » moongirl1
Got Saturn in the 12th in Libra. Lord of the 12th - Venus - is in my 11th house. What I have come to see, with my Saturnian lessons is that my gains come from losses. A double-edged sword, really.

So in the end, renouncing lay life or surrendering (something Saturn demands of us, especially in the house of loss.) becomes a viable option... if you bring down the amount of needs/wants, the amount of things that can be taken away from you diminishes. Surrendering on your own, before it´s taken away from you, lessons the blow.

I also have mars in the first house in Scorpio. So, if you read it through the ´natural zodiac´ having Saturn in the 12th - is a lot like having Saturn in Pisces. Spirituality, the seeking of spiritual avenues, divinity... the earthly realm is just a haven for living in the shackles of materialism. I believe in my heart of hearts, that Saturn in the 12th, is truly about renouncing the earthly realm and seeking the divine.
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Jun 5, 2021 - 17:43
Sun Sign - LibraLibra1003 » moongirl1
I have this placement with an ex-lover of mine. He is the Venus and I am the 12th house person. It´s very complicated. I do often wonder if he´s being honest with me. I love him very much and even though we didn´t talk for years, I still thought of him. Now he is back in my life but will never tell me his feelings for me. I always feel there is something deeper between us but wonder if maybe I am delusional. He sought me out a few times over the years and I ignored it because I was unavailable. Now I know I can´t let it go because he´s back in my life.

Very difficult placement being the 12th house person, although I have read about Venus person also loving the 12th house person. I wish I could offer more insight.
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Jun 5, 2021 - 14:43
Sun Sign - AquariusWays_of_Leavin' » moongirl1
It´s true; Venus in the 12th house may not be the luckiest in love. But, also - everything starts with ourselves. When you deem yourself worthy of the love you deserve (and act accordingly) trust me you will find it.

I know, it´s not an easy journey (I have mine in Pisces in the 12th, so kind of a double whammy..!). I have a bunch of other planets in the 12th house also so I suppose I should be ´qualified´ enough to answer... 12th house may never be easy. BUT: I don´t think it´s ´impossible´ either. I´ve seen several people with 12th house placements, including Venus, being successful and happy.

Remember also the gifts of the 12th house - compassion, selflessness, spirituality. (Venus is exalted in Pisces - so is it in the 12th also ´accidently dignified´ ?) Venus in the 12th can be very devoted and sacrificial in love. Just make sure that these same qualities don´t act against you. Be extra careful, and be very aware of your boundaries. I think with this placement there exists possibly exists the tendency to over-idealize people; so make sure you don´t create your own trap.

Well. Maybe this was not the answer you were looking for. But I wish you best of luck on your journey 💓
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Jun 5, 2021 - 14:12
Sun Sign - TaurusAstro-Seek.com » moongirl1
Well, first of all, you are as you are, and there is absolutly nothing wrong about you!
You are chosen to parcipate in this game od life not as someone else, but exactly as you.
Astrology has a lot of limitations and among things we know,some interpetations can be too sharp and cut-off from big picture.

Astrology is a good servant but bad master like anything else lower than ourselves. And we are not our placements visible in charts.

We are not supposed to be the slaves of our astrology placements and to create self-fulfilled prophecies we can just use them to better understand our inner dynamics togheter with introspection as a primare source of self-understanding.

Your inner dynamics is not entirely visible in your chart, since you have composites with people around you, you have education and so on...

So relax, do not take you chart too serious, trust your feeling, learn and do not let yourself to fear.
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Jun 5, 2021 - 04:20
Sun Sign - LeoSunnyshadow » moongirl1
I concur. Saturn in 12th is a real doozie. (And the 8th from what I hear) Welcome to the club. Most of what I read about it is true for me. I suppose there are some good things about it. Anything in the 12th seems to lead to seperation/isolation. I read articles on that placement fairly regulary to help me understand myself better. I do believe there is a silver lining to every difficult placement. But i believe this one doesn´t make for easy relationships. Because it tends to lead to isolation, and irrational fears. Kinda sounds like what you are experiencing

I think one of the best ways to deal with it is to find a way to be of help or service to others, particularly to those less fortunate. And develop some sort of spiritual practice
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Jun 5, 2021 - 03:31
Sun Sign - VirgoRosadem » moongirl1
Simple tip:view you map in "whole sing". :1: and Venus in12h is great. But Saturn in 12h...is not.
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May 14, 2021 - 20:18
Sun Sign - TaurusRosincvist » moongirl1
The Ascendant can be visualized as a great bell, it is easy to designate as double-orbed reaching forwards into the first house and backwards into the twelfth house, even though I have two traditional planets unaspected to the Ascendant in cadence they caused me years of suffering!
Strange technicality; An unaspected planet could be on the Ascendant, it just gets weirder and weirder!
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May 13, 2021 - 13:45
Sun Sign - AriesJayJayAstrology » moongirl1
I don´t believe that a planet in the 12th is difficult to manifest. Like all houses, what manifests is in the area of life the house represents. So, it is more likely spiritual aspirations, healing, reflection, creative arts, and the ability to change and transcend one´s conditioning are supported in the 12th. Whether there is support from other planets in other houses depend upon the relationship they have. The dispositor of the planets in the 12th will help manifest potentials in signs in the 12th - just as the planets in the 12th can help other planets manifest their potential in the houses and signs they are in through aspects and dispositorship. Then there are transits and progressions that can influence any planet in aspect.

Is it true that you tend to take responsibility for others - even their emotional well-being? I see you needing to nurture yourself, learn to relax, and need a peaceful social environment. You need to be unique and to pursue your own goals - develop your self-identity. You need the freedom and independence to develop what is of value to you. If this is true, your Jupiter and Saturn are in a good place for that.

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May 13, 2021 - 13:39
Sun Sign - TaurusAstro-Seek.com » moongirl1
You have saturn in the 12H. They say the best place for saturn to be is 3H, 6H and 12H. As it will grow in time. Saturn (classically) is ruling your 8H and 9H (capricorn and aquarius respectively). The 9H specially is connected in the 12H, as when 9H is about wisdom and higher studies, 12H is about spirituality. This said, 12H can be significator of other things like foreign places and isolate places. Connecting 9H and 12H could also yield higher studies in an isolate place maybe (the isolation is not necessarily physical).

Now for the activation, I´m not sure about aspects, but there are timing techniques that I´m still trying to understand. There is the Indian system of Dashas (specifically Vimshottari) and there is the Hellenistic annual profection. There are quite few others but these 2 what comes to mind right now.

Annual profection is probably the easiest to calculate even without the help of Astro-Seek (where it is available). You just count the houses, considering 1H as zero, and go ahead in order until you reach your current age. The house where this ends is supposedly to be activated during this year of your life (i.e. from birthday to birthday). So, when this house is activated, its lord is activated and if there are planets in this house are supposedly activated too (and their connections as well) and the transit of the lord of this house are the main mark for the year. This is what I´ve read so far and I´m trying to master this.

If I do this method to your chart (at 20 years of age), it is your 9H that has been activated in your chart for this year, and that is in aquarius, and the lord of aquarius (classically) is saturn, which is in the 12H, and the 12H can be said to be activated as well in this year. Planets in the 9H are supposedly to be activated as well, so you have Mercury there, the planet of logical thinking and speech, beside Uranus and Neptune (I don´t focus on them much right now).

I´m not sure what is going on in your life but probably this year you are going after something humanitarian? or spiritual? are you doing studies in some branch of humanitarian sciences or the like?

Personally, I´ve tried the profection timing for myself on this year and on one or two significant years of my life in the past and seems it works, but it needs such an eye to catch the connection. I´m also experimenting with the Dasha system, specially after Astro-Seek added the possibility of calculating that using tropical instead of the sidereal only as it was before.

Best of luck!
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May 13, 2021 - 10:33
Sun Sign - PiscesCind » moongirl1
In your progressed chart your Venus is in the 11th House. Friendships and groups will activate this placement.
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May 13, 2021 - 10:31
Sun Sign - PiscesCind » moongirl1
Yes they will also help but I think in that case the ruler will be stronger.

If you´re asking about your own chart then the ruler of your Venus is Mars.
You can activate your Venus by movement. I would try Yoga as your Mars is in Sagittarius and Venus is in 12th, higher plane activity that is linked with meditation at the end.
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May 13, 2021 - 08:19
Sun Sign - PiscesCind » moongirl1
I am not sure about the ascendant, but if I wanted to activate a planet in my 12th House I would look at aspects to that planet and activate it through other planets.

Also you could look at the ruler of that planet.

Meditation could also help.

Look at people who you know and see if any of their planets fall into your 12th House or 6th. Conjunctions and Oppositions could help you activate your planet so you know how it feels when they are not around.
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