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Catch-22 » Ellag04 And why is that a problem?

6 of my houses and 6 of my signs don´t have one of the 10 important planets. Vedic it´s even worse: 9 empty signs and thus houses.

Rosincvist » Ellag04 The well-trained Astrologer I had do my chart in 1984 was being told by other customers "do traditional", `do the MC´s that don´t upper the Ascendant´, I accepted all explanations and quirks of Atlantean Astrology and it seems to be more than Okay!

Catch-22 » Ellag04 Each quadrant house system will make some houses small, others big. I use Campanus, but that makes your first house HUGE and your 4th very small.

You have to ask yourself: why is that a problem? Why do you dislike that idea.

AstroGuy2022 » Ellag04 Hello,

I use the placidius house system too.

I hate the fact there are many types of house system in astrology. Astrologers seem to choose a house system based on what works for them. Which is fair enough.

I cannot tell you which one you should choose. But I can give you my reasons why I use placidius too.

I believe placidius is the most common house system used in astrology throughout astrology history.

Astrologers have been collecting data regarding the link between human behaviour and the celestial bodies in our solar system for many years (hundreds or thousands even). I see astrology as a prediction tool which uses a large amount of data to make those predictions. The data is the interpretations of different planetary positions. Those interpretations must have been collected using a particular house system, which I believe to be mostly placidius. This is my reason for using it. Plus trail and error has proved to me this system works better than other house systems.

Astro-Seek.com » Ellag04 Yes. Actually, most of the time when people say (house ruled by Leo) or any other sign, probably they were talking about the Whole sign system, because, well, each sign rules a house in that system. If they are saying that and have Placidus in their mind apparently they didn´t have higher latitudes in their mind when they were saying that. Probably in the case of Placidus only the 5th house is checked regardless of the sign in such cases? I´m not sure.

Pay a visit to the Whole sign and see if the chart analysis feels right to you (and typically, I´d say, you should use the classical lordship not the modern one)

Rosincvist » Ellag04 John Vernon McGee was born 6/17/1904 in Hillsboro TX, Ralph Bellamy was born late on June 17th, 1904 as well though in Illinois. Four planets at 20 dg. Positive signs, much much less worrisome than Aldebaran

Kristie » Ellag04 He is a player

Chondy » Ellag04 Hello, I feel that these two cards together means that he is not fully committed to his feelings. Or he is in his head about putting in the work needed emotionally invest, but with time his feelings will become clear, this may be a new relationship, the feelings need time to grow, patience is needed, if that makes any sense.
I hope this helps, sending love and light from me to you, remember always the universe will guide you.

Kjupiter » Ellag04 That’s called an intercepted house, and those come in pairs (along the opposite axis of your chart). This doesn’t indicate a problem with the house, but rather a challenge with the expression of the intercepted SIGN’S energy. Depending on the rest of your placements this can be a somewhat major issue or a very minor one. (This may depend on whether or not you have planet placements in those houses, but also can affect associated ruling planets). However, in charts with interceptions, you get the benefit of whatever signs rule the intercepted houses to make up for it, even if it doesn’t directly compensate for the challenges of the intercepted signs. Also, the energies of the signs will still be present in the intercepted houses, but in a more muted way.

It is probably more useful to use an example to illustrate what I mean. I will use my chart:

In my chart, my 5th and 11th houses are intercepted. These houses would normally be ruled by Aquarius and Leo, respectively, but since they are intercepted, my 5th and 6th house are ruled by Pisces and my 11th and 12th by Virgo. Piscean energy feels and works really well in my 5th (not so much my 6th, because there are only so many affordable adult hula-hoop fitness classes available, lol). It enhances my sense of romance and creativity associated with that house. Having two houses ruled by Virgo likewise gives me additional organizational skills, among other things. While this doesn’t directly affect the challenges presented by my interceptions, those energies do impart significant benefits to my life.

Having an intercepted 11th house is relatively minor to me—I have no placements there, so the Virgo energy there is pretty much felt the same as any other Virgo ruled empty house, with the associated benefits and drawbacks of the sign. Leo is still present there, and those associated themes will pop up in the background, but aren’t the immediately apparent when I think about the areas of my life that fall under the 11th house.

My interceptions DO affect the expression of my Sun. My Aquarius Sun really have anything to rule over—it’s just sort of “renting” space in the fourth house, but it doesn’t feel a sense of ownership. This isn’t to say that I don’t feel or express myself like an Aquarius sun—my sun sign is very obvious—but rather that I struggle just a little bit more with understanding and expressing the core of myself, feel more of the alienation associated with the sign, and have to make a little more effort to be seen as “authentic” by other people. Aquarius is still present in my 5th, and it affects all the 5th house things, it’s just in the background.

If that seems terrible, I can assure you that it isn’t. It’s a small, but not insignificant part of my life as mapped out by my natal chart, and the challenges presented are honestly balanced out by my other placements.

Hopefully, my example helps you understand intercepted houses and how they work better. The energies of your intercepted houses won’t play out exactly the same (of course not), but understanding the mechanics behind the phenomenon might help you understand your interceptions, how to navigate them, and appreciate them as one of the countless natal chart configurations that makes everyone unique, dynamic, and fascinating as individuals.

Hermetic Dreamer » Ellag04 Like OS* mentioned, houses that contain no cusps end up being intercepted houses. This may indicate problems in those houses.

https://www.astrology42.com/interce…

I personally use whole sign houses along with house systems like placidus. Whole sign houses show the rulerships of the houses, house systems like placidus show how strong planets are and areas of life that overlap. It does add more complexity but can give a more complete picture.

Astro-Seek.com » Ellag04 Not sure as I don´t use Placidus but maybe you are ought to consider all the signs of the 7th house? I mean, if you want to investigate this house and it spans 4 signs, maybe studying the 4 planets lords of these signs would yield something for you - just a suggestion

Astro-Seek.com » Ellag04 and this is exactly why you need to take a break - even for few minutes each day

Rosincvist » Ellag04 Chas E. O. Carter points out that twenty degrees of the positive fixed signs relate to Faith.
I don´t want to look at J. Vernon McGee´s natal planets cuz I might get jealous!
Maybe the on Aldebaran will work for you!

OS* » Ellag04 There isn’t a house system that is more precise than any other. They all work. -the “precision” comes from getting consistent results every time, with which ever system and techniques you choose to apply.

I could be wrong but I think you’re talking about intercepted signs. meaning Leo is in 7th however intercepted by Cancer ruling the 7th house cusp.

:can´t really help you further. back in the days, I never found much information (valuable) on this and I no longer use tropical.

s81 » Ellag04 There is no perfect tool on this unluckily, or you use an equal-sized house system which obviously loose precision or you use a system that do not work well near the poles. So, near the poles probably resorting to Whole Sign (that works in all latitudes the same) gives a more reliable approach BUT you loose the precision of Placidus.

Equal-house system, as Rosincvist suggest, might also help, may be even better than the Whole Sign system since houses will have a real relation to your birth time. But, in my experience, is the most difficult to test since all cusps are exactly at the same place in every sign, so you´ve partile aspects from-to all of them, turning impossible to isolate the real effect of a body transiting a cusp from the effect it causes from the aspect to the Ascendant.

Rosincvist » Ellag04 English Equal-house; Every house cusp has the same number as the Ascendant, once accepted there are no giant-house vs. little-house paradoxes!

Rosincvist » Ellag04 Your & are in Faith places, no one has as many Faith placements as J. Vernon McGee; This may require toughening up the armour, do watch out for someone who might want to commit suicide by scorned girlfriend!

Astro-Seek.com » Ellag04 It will.
See if you can play some games and/or do a hobby - photography nowadays is super-easy with these mobile phones

from time to time we just need something to take our mind off things and life in general. Lack of motivation can be a sign of a tired mind/heart as well

Astro-Seek.com » Ellag04 OK, I was checking some of your charts. Your annual profection says it´s Gemini year for you, 6th house. In your natal chart, Venus is in Gemini, and in your solar return for 2021, Rahu (North node) and Mercury are in Gemini. General conclusion about the theme of the year is that "love" and passion is a major theme.
Now, since in solar return, Rahu and mercury are in Gemini (the activated house), we have to pay attention to what they have to say. Currently, Rahu is passing through Taurus, your 5th house of relationships (and let´s not forget that Taurus lord is Venus) - Rahu is a magnifier of things and often causes confusion and adds fog to the vision in some way (indulgence, thirst for the materialistic world). And in my humble opinion, this is what causing you this yearning.

Back to your Solar Return chart for 2021, I see also Ketu (the south node) which is about detachment from the materialistic world, exactly on your natal MC axis. MC is about our duty or our outward expression (many things involved here including career when we need to check it). So imagine that: Detachment from the world and its obligations and norms. And I think, this is where your lack of motivation comes from.

All in all, I can say it is a time that will pass. It´s not a permanent thing. As for validation from males, well, I´m not an expert in these things but my simple mind tells me that you don´t need validation from anyone. What would you prefer: Acting and be someone else just to get someone, or be yourself and get the one that fits you like Lego to Lego? Up to you.

Astro-Seek.com » Ellag04 Pardon for this "private" question a bit, but do you feel yourself lately that you are just yearning to be in a relationship? Like, it is taking most of the capacity of your thinking currently?