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Dec 7, 2020 - 09:16
Sun Sign - Taurusdani_mae1 » Brentus
“ Just out of curiosity, has anyone had any experience or read anything about identifying potential mental illness in a natal chart?”

Yes! It started out unintentionally during my 1st Jupiter return. I discovered astrology and then psychology pretty much at the same time. I remember when charts weren’t available online and using these ridiculous tables from books to cast charts. But the psychology aspect appealed to me right away and I dove in researching I guess you could say. I have noticed certain things that can manifest in a natal chart in regards to mental illness. And I will say the Placidus system is my favorite for a psychoanalysis and the things people hate the most about that system I actually utilize.

It really just should eventually be included with medical astrology but until stigmas are broke that won’t happen.

But, I think you have to be truly committed to your mental health as astrologer in conjunction with being ethical (I actually took a couple classes on this specific to astrology psychology and ethics in my formal schooling)and knowledgeable and knowing one’s limitations and when people need to go seek medical help you can’t offer over the internet. After all, you get the reading then what? It’s difficult because not only do you need to make sure they are safe, but you have to make all the information digestible and palatable and choose to stay with that person for as much time as it takes (within reason) because it is such a delicate topic. I don’t think it’s a sect of astrology that’s really taken off because of the type of commitment it is and it’s still VERY taboo.
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Dec 7, 2020 - 00:20
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Sun Sign - Virgorohini moon » Brentus
Good day, Brent :4:

If you want a different perspective other than that of western...I use the Vedic system. :32:
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Dec 7, 2020 - 00:01
Sun Sign - Piscesfishscales » Brentus
"but you really can’t assume mental illness is not going to be a major factor in someone’s life simply because the setup looks generally good. I guess the same would be for a natal chart."

Astrologically, that is exactly my point.

Otherwise, I agree as well.
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Dec 6, 2020 - 22:32
Sun Sign - Aquariusnikkia » Brentus
Until AI starts to sort out astrology, personal ´bias´ guide the eye.
Mine included.

I agree with idea that there are higher and lower expressions of energy and it´s the individual´s ´choice´ how energy is expressed that makes all the difference in the world. Literally.

Barring the rare instances without ´choice´ - we each choose in every moment of everyday, how we express the energies within us, along with energies applying on us, into the external world. The world we each share.

As an Act of Creation, in turn, this third energy ripples, impacting others and is amplified into the world with varying degrees vibrational expression. It has a cumulative effect.

I think there are many people who ´know better´ and just don´t care. It´s ´impossible´ to see this in a chart. Only by action we can know it.

The lack of concern for other and to the whole, is a mental construct that brings such suffering and misery to humankind. Is this not a mental illness?

Sadly, it´s an illness too many share and pass on like a contagion. This is my personal view and through the lens of ´bias´ in which I see.

So, with that said, when time allows, I´ll try to dig up some astro charts with notes about mental illness ´markers´ in the more extreme cases. I am by no means an astrologer. I seek and search for proof. That´s all.
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Dec 6, 2020 - 21:23
Sun Sign - TaurusAstro-Seek.com » Brentus
" could you recommend a textbook or blog, website, anything that you’ve found particularly useful in your learning and development of astrology? Feel free to PM me if you wish. Also, what are your thoughts on “Psychological astrology”? "

You are in luck our own Seeker Dani Mae1 is just launching her new service which combines Astrology and Psychology. Seek her, Seeker :3:

Also this site might give you some ideas about what books to study https://b-ok.cc/book/942709/9250b0
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Dec 6, 2020 - 20:53
Sun Sign - Aquariusnikkia » Brentus
What a great topic ! I gathered some ´research´ about this subject - when/if I can locate it, this thread is the best place to post it.

I think there are several sources of mental illness and each might have a different astrological signature. (physical, psychological, spiritual)

Garden variety ´mental illness´ seems to be a bit tricky. Especially looking at the natal as a stand alone source of information. Maybe this will change as astrology and science evolves?

Many times, it seems, that transits serve as a ´trigger in a loaded gun´ of expression. In the more profound expressions (those that cross into criminality, then cross into the legal and the ´medical´ aspects of what mental illness actually is) seem easier to track via astrology. The natal is better indicator of mental illness as it unfolds over time - and by looking backwards in time. Too little too late?


Personally, I find it hard to accept that extensive astrological research hasn´t been done on this topic already.
I´ve yet to find a reliable study with concrete results.
Which begs the question, why?
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Dec 6, 2020 - 20:41
Sun Sign - Piscesfishscales » Brentus
I´ve always been of the belief that a mentally healthy and mentally ill person can share many of the same astrological aspects...maybe I´m not well versed enough, but I´ve always thought a birth chart to be a poor indicator of mental health.

At the same time, some aspects are definitely harder to deal with than others.

I actually might look at strong and positive Leo and Taurus influences to possibly insulate someone against mental illness, even if the rest of the chart was "mentally difficult"...

Leo channels things through the heart, taking stress off of the mind, and Taurus is very grounded.
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Dec 6, 2020 - 19:11
Sun Sign - AriesJayJayAstrology » Brentus
You are thinking scientifically, and I love that! I hope you do stick around and investigate astrology and psychology further!

I actually agree with you about the mentally ill. No, I would not just chalk it up to more and better labeling. But, there are so many factors to consider! There are far more people on the planet, for starters. More people, more suicides, even if the rate per thousand or something stays the same. I have no idea how the numbers compare in terms of population increase.

Also, generations now have less to look forward to given our economic decline. We have just come out of the 20th century where we have deconstructed everything that we valued before. Look at art and music. Now a yellow dot on a red background sells for thousands and the 12-tone row replaced the diatonic scale in modern music - which isn´t exactly resonant with the heart. Ragtime has evolved to chaotic jazz in which all players play in a different scale.

Anyway, it isn´t about harmony and beauty any more. It´s about doing it different - not playing by any rules any more - making up new rules as we go along. We´ve lost any feeling of stability in values. And middle class hard-working people can´t afford to pay rent or the school loans. It´s a dim vision.

We don´t have many voices saying we can and will create a better future. Many people are lost and feel life is meaningless. We can say that the Age of Aquarius is about to come upon us - because we need a new structure - and young people need to know and hear of a new vision so they feel life might be meaningful.

I think a new vision is coming. There are underpinnings in the culture . . . but before the new arrives, the old must fall away, and this is what we´re seeing now. So, I do see this in astrology - with the last Pluto-Saturn conjunction in Capricorn. Saturn is now in Aquarius and Pluto will follow in a few years. I feel hope through astrology - in this case - it totally makes sense to me.
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Dec 6, 2020 - 18:24
Sun Sign - AriesJayJayAstrology » Brentus
Oh, thank you. I see we think alike! I like how you question things. So many astrologers just say what they learn to say about signs, planets and houses without really questioning and observing or testing out what they learn for themselves. We need to validate everything for ourselves if we are to be good astrologers.

Anyway, I´m not sure that the younger generations are sicker than the older ones. It´s truly difficult to quantify that. What I do think is true is that we have more names and labels for symptoms than we used to have. We are more aware of various syndromes now - so - I do think that this is a factor in feeling like we´re sicker.

When I was a girl, people just said - oh he´s just that way - or she´s just like that - and then don´t think about it much further. We didn´t air dirty laundry, so to speak. We didn´t talk about our feelings. Nowadays, we´re all over the place - freely giving new labels to the old ones and giving names to things we never thought not normal before.

Your example - Pluto in Scorpio = AIDS pandemic. Well, yes, we do see it that way - but how do we look at it? I´m not even sure. Not everyone with AIDS has Pluto in Scorpio or any planet at all in Scorpio. It didn´t effect the Pluto in Scorpio generation only. How do we correlate who got AIDs with their charts? This is all difficult to bring down to earth in some practical, knowledgeable way. Would we have had AIDS if Pluto didn´t go into Scorpio? How do we know? How about all the various new viruses we´ve had over the last 20 years? How is the coronavirus connected to Pluto in Capricorn? How do we verify it? I actually haven´t been researching what prominent astrologers are saying about it. But even THEY can be wrong.

I have a very open mind. I´ve read almost every book I could find on astrological research of this kind - but I have not seen the book Fool mentioned - thank you Fool!
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Dec 6, 2020 - 17:28
Sun Sign - TaurusAstro-Seek.com » Brentus
Hi, tried to get a freebie (book) but no luck; there are lots of opinions on indicators of mental health but only one book I could find: https://www.amazon.com/Signs-Mental…

If you read it come back and share your opinions :15:

Edit: also a PDF on predicting ´mental illness´
https://www.researchgate.net/public…
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Dec 6, 2020 - 16:35
Sun Sign - AriesJayJayAstrology » Brentus
Hi Brenntus!
It´s a really good question and not too many astrologers truly focus on mental illness - although some do. I have a keen interest, but it´s really something that needs to be developed further by the profession.

The problem with identifying mental illness is that people respond to the same energies differently - so the same chart can be that of someone with a mental illness as someone without. BUT, we can observe some probable causes.

There isn´t one planet, sign or house - or asteroid or mid-point or fixed start that is like the one thing that will point to it.

Mercury in 12th house or Pisces or conjunct Neptune is prone to mental illness - but many people have that placement and aren´t mentally ill.

When you put Virgo and Scorpio energy together, you get an obsessive person - OCD even - mixed in with Aquarius or Uranus - ADHD. Can be Virgo Sun in 8th house, Scorpio Moon in 6th house - Mercury in Virgo in the 8th - that kind of thing.

Gemini and Aquarius Moon with other combinations can produce obsessive or OCD qualities as well. These people can have difficulty sleeping well - their minds work very fast.

But these are generalities and most people have varied combinations of planetary qualities that can produce the same effect. I´m just mentioning just a few in isolation. Other planets would contribute to bring out the syndrome - or not.

I had a question about schizophrenia the other day. I have gathered about 80 plus charts of people with schizophrenics. There is no one signature for them. But, they share certain qualities - like a poor self-concept and a sensitivity or vulnerability to helping others and losing their identity in the process. They have thin or poor boundaries. So you can have Taurus, 2nd house issues of poor self-concept or Leo, 5th house issues of poorly developed self-identity and esteem mixed with Virgo Pisces Libra or Cancer sensitivity. It´s really complicated, and usually all the planets in the charts play a role to create the possibility for the illness to occur.

That´s why it´s hard to pin it down to one signature or combination of planetary influences. But it´s fascinating to chart all the different ways an illness can be seen in a chart.

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Dec 6, 2020 - 13:57
Sun Sign - TaurusAstro-Seek.com » Brentus
As I understood so far, when "astral body" hits physical body there comes some sort of demand to make those two work as one. This is not happening at once, that is a process of Self adjusting.

If someone has a strong air in chart but not so develope genes (physical brain, nervus system) to support that air, it is very likley that one will develope some sort of authism.

Besides genetic, environment plays a great role too.

People with strong water and not so emotionaly supportive environment and genes that gave them poorly developed nervus system in spots that control emotional behaviour will develope all kinds of depressions...
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