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Aug 10, 2021 - 17:09
Sun Sign - Leoplumreme » Anushka42
sure, she could be, but

1. strictly astrologically, I think it´s less about the sun sign than the overarching archetypal patterns in an individual natal chart. and..

2. then there´s the synastry/composite stuff. then transits ... my point earlier was that the "causes" are very complex if even knowable at all.

but then

3. all of this, all of it, is for naught if we get stuck in the doorway. We often don´t see the door as a door when we´re standing in it. We think it´s the destination. It´s small, though, and we´ll suffocate there. To be sure, there´s a time to stay there (during an earthquake, say), but then it´s time to walk through to vastness of what´s on the other side (you) which is the only place where you can use the information to any productive outcome. I have gotten stuck in the doorway (plastered to it, melted on it, ha) before. How? By not being honest with myself about why I´m digging, what I´m looking for, and by relating to the information as a means to control outcome with others (we can´t. not directly). I´m not saying you are doing this, and it´s unsolicited, my saying it - but I can´t responsibly ponder these questions without also offering this warning.

All things at the ripe time, of course -- goodness knows, we´ve all tarried on here in the doorway for a bit past our due as we begin processing, but -- thinking about her is really only fruitful as means to know (and grow) thyself. that´s the gold. Best of Luck!
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Aug 10, 2021 - 15:45
Sun Sign - Leoplumreme » Anushka42
"So we could ask ourselves what kind of girl (what sign, what energy) is able to make fall in love a guy like him and make him be evil with me?"

I think this can be a useful question if not over-indulged (of course, the voyeur in me always wants to ponder it! and not just in my own situations) or if the meaning isn´t over inflated. (and I´ll speculate at the end... the dessert after the long, boring dinner, ha)

There are many lenses through which to tackle this question. I can speak to how it´s shown up for me, but it´ll likely be different for you

answering the question through a "healthy relationships" lens: it could be a matter of timing, different attachment styles and how each person reacts to that (how much awareness they bring, how much work they´ve done). but then the "why" ultimately doesn´t matter through this lens - the guy is unavailable (on some level - emotional, physical, whatever) and thus simply not a good option for a partner. Though, examining what in ourselves makes us go for that dynamic can be completely transformative! Why am I available to an unavailable person? Why isn´t this an immediate turn off for me? For example, personally, I found (in the past) I felt safer on some level with unavailable ppl b/c I was unavailable emotionally!
Interestingly, the qualities my "rival" had well developed make her much more available to everyday life type of partnership -- she´s willing to get real in a more earthly love that´s based on every day living, where I want to "keep things exciting" and dwell in the ideal, and maintain a bit of distance.

To illustrate this difference through an astrological lens (while I´m unsure of how much actual stock I put in this example) -- her Juno is on his Venus (grounded), where as my Psyche is on his Eros, his Pallas on my moon (dreamy, idealistic, but ungrounded in the every day).

For someone else´s love triangle, ha, one woman may link to man´s Venus, where the other links to his Lilith (how does he react to each archetype? and at what point in his life? consciously or unconsciously?) ... and on and on and on it goes with endless causal possibilities.

Ultimately, while it´s fascinating, the most useful thing for me, personally, has just been to say "not available (for any reason) = not right for me." period. the end. Astrology (which I obviously value and use a lot) may tell me the story that we´re soul mates spanning across lifetimes of both tragic and beautiful romances. but at the end of the day, is he available? Is he choosing me? Am I available?

This is how I´ve experienced your question on my own path, may be different for you, of course.

dessert (to be eaten with a giant grain of salt): I´d guess (based on what you said, though we don´t have his chart) that she´s got strong Uranian/Aquarian qualities, like you (he is Aquarius descendent). where it might be different? maybe she has more consciously developed Leo (your Chiron opposite sun/saturn, and lots of his planets there), Aries, Sag or Capricorn. I think this is all likely taking you right to the thing you´re wanting to develop *for you*. but... grain of salt.
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Aug 10, 2021 - 14:12
Sun Sign - Aquariusviv » Anushka42
That’s worse he’s got a TSquare.. Well Plumreme’s been through it closer in time than I have.. I’d say if he’s intellectual take that into yourself!

Seriously the Jungians say work with same gender unconscious projections first eg what does She have? How can I get that too!! Then work with opposite gender (if heterosexual) What you’ve been in love with in the guy is more potent than what “potential female rivals”carry.

Sorry if I offered comment or advice you didn’t want,
Best Viv
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Aug 10, 2021 - 12:58
Sun Sign - Leoplumreme » Anushka42
She is Sag (in fact, stellium there with sun, Saturn, Uranus, Mercury). I´m Sag rising and moon and Neptune (so all that stuff of hers is on my moon and Neptune, and *opposite* my 4 bodies in Gemini -- Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Lilith.) She´s also Mars conjunct Pluto. I´m Mars conjunct Lilith. and those are inconjunct with each other´s. I know all of this b/c we were friends - fairly superficially (obviously), but we were. There´s really quite a lot of similarity. So for me the differences are really more thinking on archetypes and planets that are strongly developed in the other that I could use - not in a self shaming manner, just a "what could I take from this encounter to grow myself?"

I could say I was really unaware of the extent to which my underdeveloped traits were preventing healthy relationship. My "rival" sort of shocked (Uranus/usurper) me into clear sight. If you are only able to imagine the rival, b/c you don´t know her, I think that can be informative in itself - b/c we build those characters from ourselves. Maybe traits we think we lack but actually we have them, or traits we´d like to develop more. Imagining the ultimate rival, in fact, sounds like a great exercise for all of us in cultivating more wholeness.

Just from what you said - unlucky and desperate - I would think about your Jupiter and bringing it out more. and it´s trine your sun, so... And also that North Node in the 2nd (inner Venus, self reliant, opposite of enmeshment) in Sag (more Jupiter) is the opposite of desperate, and that´s where you´re headed. Not that there is something to resolve (tho, isn´t there always? ha) and just from a perspective of curiosity (and I´m with you, I find it fascinating), those may be the things in yourself asking for more focus from you, that you are projecting out onto the other (and so also it might be there in those archetypes that you´d expect to see development in the chart of the "other").
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Aug 10, 2021 - 09:29
Sun Sign - Aquariusviv » Anushka42
Thanks for raising this topic Anushka
My thought is if the potential mate you are interested in chooses someone else he/she’s not the one for you. There was something attractive...what? They awakened your longing.. so now you know more about what you long for. etc.

If another woman steps in maybe she will be like you in every way but one. Maybe she will even be born a day apart from you but have the Moon and Asc in a different place. (That happened to me once!) However if your partner chooses that other one that’s what they do! Maybe you fight for the relationship if it’s well established but if it’s only just starting let it go.

I’m a bit like you in that I have Scorpio rising and an Aqua Sun and I can tell you you cannot stage manage intimate relationships. It really doesn’t matter who the other girl may be. Your job is to be your radiant, sensitive, intelligent self.

In terms of signs the man you’ve been interested in, a Sun Leo Taurus Moon.. I don’t want make judgements for who knows? However that kind of guy likes to be the centre of attention and adored for their charisma. Aqua easily falls for Leo and Scorpio Asc falls for Taurus so you got a double whammy..but I might guess even if a person like that adored you, he probably wouldn’t understand you, and his Taurus Moon might well fall opp your Pluto making for some almighty fights.

I’d be wondering about hanging out with Libra friends who compliment your Jupiter 11th while quietly eying up the Sag guys or maybe Aries guys who would sextile your Sun and add some fire. Take that with a pinch of salt, there are dozens of possibilities.

You do have Pluto square your Sun /Saturn. There are likely to be issues with self confidence and realising your still hidden bombshell power. My suggestion would be is do some confidence building activities (coaching, rock climbing, public speaking, anything that takes you out of your comfort zone) until your Saturn return passes and get clear on just what sort of partner you want to live your life with. Saturn turns direct again in Oct after crossing your Sun again. This too will pass. You will have to learn to risk sharing and be willing to encounter someone different from you. Don’t worry they’ll be there.
Best Viv
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Aug 9, 2021 - 19:28
Sun Sign - Leoplumreme » Anushka42
Third party energy is something I´ve wondered about, too -- as in, what is *our* story, mine and hers? I´ve been on both ´sides´ (and around the same man) and it all feels very karmic.

The questions for me are in trying to be fair and objective, see my own responsibility, and most even ask "what can I learn from her? what does she have that is underdeveloped in me that would be beneficial for me to develop (which is, I think, to the idea of "opposites" that you mention)?"

One thing I know already, for example, is that the third party seems to be very intentional about taking care of her belongings, having less and taking better care of it, being diligent and committed (lots of Saturn/Capricorn energy, where I virtually zero, but am a Cap sun in Draconic chart). In stark contrast, I can be very scattered, whimsical and sometimes careless. I spill on my things. I loose things. I like new things and variety. ha. So I feel this as her being my underdeveloped Saturn.

I was also very naive and doe-eyed, where she has developed more cunning - the lesson I took there was that, while I don´t want to become cunning, per se, I did really need to develop more teeth and be more careful about how I share my energy and with whom (and she could likely benefit from adopting some of my trust, loyalty and openness - though, that´s not my business!).

We both have a lot of Sag energy. And strangely (or not) we also look very similar (as in get mistaken for each other), but with very different/opposite eyes - hers are small, sharp and scanning the room for opportunity; where mine are big, open and focused only on what is right in front of me, ha - but it perfectly reflects for me this over-arching similarity, and yet these polar opposites as you move closer.

It can a painful thing to ponder, but ultimately also very healing if used for reflection and growth, rather than blame of self/other or a twisted form of self-punishment. I know when I´m kind of pitted against someone by being in competition on some level, my impulse is to over focus on my own charms and their faults to feel better about things - so I try to consciously go in the other direction. but not too far ; ) and it brings more wholeness and meaning to the story.

It´s super interesting to me in terms of karmic encounters and which archetypes in each of us interact with the other´s. and it terms of what is to be gained through that encounter with the "rival", how it sharpens, opens, softens or sometimes breaks us. I feel like looking to the Draconic of one compared to the natal of the other is useful, but it´s just an inkling.
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Aug 9, 2021 - 19:04
Sun Sign - GeminiAmberMoon » Anushka42
So, you´re not looking at the chart... And from where are you looking at Lilith then?
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Aug 9, 2021 - 18:19
Sun Sign - GeminiAmberMoon » Anushka42
Girl, every female is your rival 😉, and who knows, every man maybe too.

Men/women don´t always choose similar lovers. Especially if the previous one didn´t work out, one may want to try something totally different.

But perhaps an interesting approach here could be to look at your resilience when in such situations faced with competition.

Actually quite curious myself as to where to look in the chart for that.
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Jul 11, 2021 - 12:05
General Astrology: Lines in astrocartography
Sun Sign - Taurusnutelina » Anushka42
Well, I don´t know either, what I haven´t tried myself I don´t believe. I am intrigued for sure but how to verify?

To make matter worse, I looked at a previous astrocartograph on the same site, astrodients, but all the lines went from the north pole! There Mercury went exactly of Prague where I did the most difficult studies until I quit (my asc. wasn´t happy maybe).

But I really can´t help you, if you don´t look into it yourself, no one can. If you don´t like it, just let it be, don´t do thinks you don´t like. You should do well to study your chart. At least you would know why you are that way, it says it right there. If you can read it on your phone, print it out, take a look at it every now and then. Things will make sense over time.
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Jul 10, 2021 - 16:26
General Astrology: Lines in astrocartography
Sun Sign - Taurusnutelina » Anushka42
I should thank you, on astrodienst my graph looks quite different from what I saw last time :63:

So my guess is,
for example Venus line; you will like it there.
Mercury you will become a great scholar

etc. I´d look for what each planet stands for and that will be dominant in your life.

I hope someone can add / correct me.
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Jul 10, 2021 - 12:22
General Astrology: Lines in astrocartography
Sun Sign - GeminiBR » Anushka42
I´m certainly no expert but I´d say the Chiron line could be useful for healing purposes. Maybe Moon and Neptune as well for psychic healing.

For financial purposes and abundance, refer to Venus and Jupiter lines.
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Jul 10, 2021 - 12:07
General Astrology: Lines in astrocartography
Sun Sign - Taurusnutelina » Anushka42
It took me years to understand even the basic so... And I studied math quite heavily in uni... (I always hated math btw. I learn much better by myself).
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Jul 10, 2021 - 08:41
General Astrology: Lines in astrocartography
Sun Sign - TaurusDilanakia » Anushka42
If you do it from astrodienst, it shows what every line means. It’s a long long task to look at all of them. Good luck
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Jul 9, 2021 - 22:43
General Astrology: Lines in astrocartography
Sun Sign - Taurusnutelina » Anushka42
You can do a search in the forums: https://forum.astro-seek.com/topic/… for example has a lot of answers but I´m sure you can find your own.

Good luck! :27:
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Jul 8, 2021 - 22:43
Sun Sign - CapricornDatta108 » Anushka42
Namaste, imo I dont think this is the best time to move even though I think you will no matter what is said here.
To begin with, your Jupiter Maha dasa is ending in a few months bringing the chart under "Dasa chidram", which usually brings upheaval and confusion and major changes in life. The next dasa is Saturn dasa which shouldn´t be that tough overall since for your Rising sign Saturn is a favorable planet,but he is combust being conjuct the Sun so that tells me the initial 3 years of Saturn dasa combined with difficult transits of Saturn and Jupiter make the next several years very challenging ,frustrating and problematic.
Next spring will start the major changes for you
as your Saturn dasa commences plus Jupiter enters Pisces your 10th house from moon in April which is traditionally considered inauspicious (loss of job,change of job that is not what is hoped for, problems with bosses,unwanted work etc..) and Rahu and Ketu changes signs besides Saturn entering Aquarius for a couple of months before he returns to Capricorn.
(Major changes for many next spring but for you even more!!) Location wise I would choose a place that I understand it´s language to make things easier, maybe UK.
Blessings 🙏☀️
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Jul 6, 2021 - 08:22
Natal Astrology: Career path advice
Sun Sign - AquariusArius » Anushka42
Thank you very much, Anushka. Really appreciated :1:
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Jul 5, 2021 - 13:33
Sun Sign - Taurusnutelina » Anushka42
Ah yes, the MC:

Also known as MC — short for Medium Coeli (meaning "middle of the sky" in Latin), your Midheaven sign represents your public face, determining your career path, goals, achievements, social standing and reputation.

What does your Midheaven sign mean?

If you´ve ever wondered what job would be best for you, your Midheaven sign is a great way to understand what would work best for you in terms of a career. Checking your Midheaven can help you gain greater clarity on your natural-born gifts and talents, as well as what you are best suited to contribute to the world via your professional life.


Imum Coeli or IC: what it is and its influence on our natal chart

The Bottom of the Sky, also known as Imum Coeli (IC) or Nadir, represents our inherited identity or subjective outlook. This is where our inner self will develop in its deepest roots, geared towards confidence. This identity is partially an inheritance; it is a subconcious image of ourselves developed across previous experience cycles before birth, involving the occurrence of genetic conditions or past lives.


So your Sun is in the 4th house, your moon in the 10th, that´s a clue.
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Jul 5, 2021 - 12:14
Sun Sign - Taurusnutelina » Anushka42
>Jupiter means good things?

Yes, expansion, travel.

>Then, at which lines should I look too?

Maybe Pluto for transformation? Or Venus what you like. Or Mercury if you want to learn more.

>I didn´t like law because it has nothing to do with creativity and humanities, it was definitely not my thing. It was so boring, didn´t match my interests.

You have your moon in Cancer in the 10th house. Sun in the 4th house. Maybe you would be a good teacher to your kids.

North Node in Sagittarius brings the conflict between noble thoughts and simple trivial pearls of wisdom, between worldly
knowledge and sacred values, between intellectual doubts and religious beliefs. These people need to get a real education and find real meaning of various ideas. They need to attain personal spiritual image of the world through long journeys, studying and spiritual pilgrimages. They need to develop confidence in their opinions and move from simple truths to higher knowledge and ethical values.

North Node (True) in the 2nd House - South Node in the 8th House
North Node in the second house brings the conflict between keeping everything on the one hand, and wanting to leave everything outdated and unnecessary behind on the other.
These people need to learn to trust and they have to accept the need for proximity, confidentiality and physical contact. They need to recognize their own value, feel their own importance, and like themselves for who they are. They should develop everything that promises security: material security, inner security and self-confidence.
They should beware of abusing their powerful sexuality.

And read about all those squares with Jupiter:

Mars Square Jupiter (5°08’, Separating)
This aspect causes reckless and extreme reactions. These people are also relatively persistent in their activities and they often do not perceive the impact of their actions on their immediate surroundings. There are two developmental branches of this aspect- one leads to the desire for property, money and power, and the other focuses on idealistic movements and groups. In any case, this aspect also raises the desire for travel and adventure.
Trine- Jupiter Trine Saturn (5°36’, Separating)
This harmoninous aspect is extremely positive - it gives these people good foundation, stability and balance, and enables them to fully develop.
Square- Jupiter Square Uranus (5°00’, Separating)
This aspect causes desire for independence and learning about the mysteries of life. This desire is difficult to control. These people are original and their knowledge encompasses wide areas of life. However, their opinions are often too dogmatic. They love power. They consider themselves exceptional and they expect others to honour them. There may be sudden problems with courts, officials, or with the law.
Square- Jupiter Square Neptune (4°58’, Separating)
This aspect may give people restless soul and a tendency to wander. They do not like to settle down and they do not have clear goals in life. They are able to make big sacrifices for their ideals, but they should be careful not to be naive and not live in their fantasy world. In a better case scenario, these people fanatically push higher universal laws into the existing world order; in the worst case scenario, they work around the secular law with the help of higher universal laws.
Square- Saturn Square Pluto (5°07’, Applying)
This aspect is responsible for the fact that these people do not know what they want and they often try to drastically change their personal life. They have reformist ideas but they lack clear foundations. Their feelings of uniqueness, exclusivity and inimitability are responsible for their very difficult personality.
Conjunction- Uranus Conjunction Neptune (0°02’, Separating)
This conjunction is responsible for urge for changes. These people tend to change their lives and to interfere with political affairs that they are never satisfied with. If they are publicly engaged, then their reformist efforts have some chances to be successful, otherwise they live in discontent with the circumstances all their life. This conjunction gives people immense originality, intense creative abilities and innovative inspirations.

I just copied and pasted it from your birth chart right here. Do you see those contradictions? I think you will have to cut the Gordian knot so to speak.
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Jul 5, 2021 - 11:56
Sun Sign - Leocubic » Anushka42
" but it´s hard since people hardly pay for astrological consults. I can do it as an additional activity, but I have to study it very well."

Do you know that as a fact? It seems to me fortune telling sort of professions are rather always in demand, especially during hard times. Challenge is you have to study it very well.. then advertise and start gaining clientele.
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Jul 5, 2021 - 10:55
Sun Sign - Aquariusviv » Anushka42
That makes sense Anushka. I just had the idea you might study astrology seriously and make a living from it. Greek and Latin would definitely be an advantage! And you have to know lots about Greek mythology ... you could do that online anywhere. So you’d have to get a feel for which country you’d like to be in and where your future partner is. And maybe there would be a few years of being a barista or something in helping people to earn some money... USA needs a green card. Canada and Australia usually let young people in to travel and pick fruit etc on short term working holidays. Both these countries advertise an occupations wanted list every few months which is about the only way to get a long term visa apart from getting a degree in the country and applying to stay. UK I think will still have preferential treatment for EU citizens for a while and Ireland is part of the EU so you could easily go there (They speak a kind of English, joking I loved Ireland)

With regard to Chiron in the tenth I know a just-retired head of training in a counselling organisation who has Chiron in the tenth. Sure she went into the field partly to sort her own issues but then she became an expert! There were struggles with recognition for her role in the organisation but she was an enormous force for good and impacted many lives with being a wise Chiron-ic teacher, healer and mentor. Best V
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