Political Notes to Myself about the Jupiter/Saturn Conjunction.

September 23, 2020 at 03:08 (UT/GMT)
(Taurus) Iceblu333
Political Notes to Myself about the Jupiter/Saturn Conjunction.
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"Curse of the Saturn/Jupiter conjunction"



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October 2, 2020 at 11:46
(Taurus) Iceblu333
Does someone get revenge on Joe Biden Jan 20.?
October 2, 2020 at 12:11
(Taurus) Iceblu333
Trumps Virus infection info was released on a full moon.
October 2, 2020 at 12:15
(Taurus) Iceblu333 » Iceblu333
was the stationing of saturn during the day of the debates the virus???

Look into the next debate to see if it will actually happen
October 2, 2020 at 12:38
(Taurus) Iceblu333 » Iceblu333
Kamala Harris jupiter rules 10 and 7.

Biden Jupiter rules 1 and 4...

Are they Jupiter?

In the Jupiter Saturn conjunction?
October 2, 2020 at 16:48
(Sagittarius) goldenlion32 » Iceblu333

So, there it is. The die has been cast: the transiting north node of the Moon smack-dab on his 10th house Gemini Sun squared by Neptune in the 7th house (H7) Pisces:

The original 10th house (H10) NN Gemini imprint of assuming responsibility for the validity of a diversity of differing viewpoints (Gemini) – as opposed to the SN’s one-pointedness (Sag) of a single truth being the only valid one, a truth I happen to be in possession of and which I derive emotional security (SN H4) from – bang on what is THE central and integrative principle in Trumps life, his Sun H10 Gemini :


Neptune in Pisces in his 7th house: floored by a virus (Pisces) that affects the public at large (H7) and which he believed himself to be immune (Pisces: immune system) to.

Ruler of the transiting NN (Mercury) H3 Scorpio as the way in which the transiting H10 Gemini is going to be carried out: public speaking (Gemini) - both on the campaign trail and thru televised debates - taken away from him (Scorpio: betrayal, abandonment,. etc.).

~Michael De Baker
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October 2, 2020 at 17:24
(Taurus) Iceblu333 » MarvinReal
But just know, this Virus announcement is just a distraction....

Just like the Impeachment... then the chemical bomb in Syria... then the killing of the Iranian military leader...

They were all distractions from the actual main event...

The release of the Covid 19 virus. Which happened when Saturn conjoined Pluto...


The big question is, what happens when Jupiter conjoins Saturn...
October 2, 2020 at 17:28
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com » Iceblu333
System message: Post has been written by user MarvinReal, who already deleted profile on this website:
I want to see Trump´s funeral. It would be a major fun for which I would even exceptionally watch the TV. With popcorn of course. :69:

"The big question is, what happens when Jupiter conjoins Saturn..."
a new king arises, a major change in organization of society.
October 2, 2020 at 17:48
(Sagittarius) goldenlion32 » Iceblu333
Trumps natal chart with current transits when it was made.
October 3, 2020 at 06:36
(Taurus) Iceblu333
What is the Possibility of Trump dieing on Oct 12/13?

CAUSING the Mercury retrograde.

What are the chances...
October 3, 2020 at 07:42
(Taurus) Iceblu333
What were the aspects of previous major market crashes???

Does it relate to Uranus... like the upcoming mars Uranus conjunction or the Lilith Uranus conjunction...

Black monday 1987...

Compare that with Jan 20, 2021
October 3, 2020 at 07:43
(Taurus) Iceblu333
What planet rules the market?
October 3, 2020 at 12:02
(Taurus) Iceblu333 » Iceblu333
Random article states the USA Pluto return is "The first Return will occur on February 20th of 2022"
October 3, 2020 at 12:08
(Taurus) Iceblu333 » Iceblu333
Another article...


Saturn conjunct Pluto last happened in 1982. In January of that year the U.S. went into a recession, over a million jobs were lost. That year El Nino brought catastrophic floods and droughts to Australia. The Chicago Tylenol murders terrorized ordinary citizens by demonstrating the ease of drug tampering. In the U.S. election that year, Democrats regained control of Congress; that didn’t stop the President Ronald Reagan from being reelected in 1994. But that time Saturn conjunct Pluto wasn’t conjunct the U.S. natal Pluto. One could expect more drastic scenarios this time.
The usual themes for Saturn conjunct Pluto are economic contraction, changing of the guard, dying off of the power of one generation, but also that generation’s final stand as it refuses to surrender control. Saturn conjunct Pluto at its worst can mean military or corporate dictatorship, poverty, hard times, but as we view the history pf Sautrn Pluto conjunctions those themes appear in a more diluted way.
The great powers of concentration of Saturn conjunct Pluto favor hard work, long term plans, and achievement that requires patient step by step approaches, but also the willingness to move decisively when that’s necessary.
Saturn and Pluto are a tricky combination. Saturn wants to keep everything the same, only get rid of what has stopped working. Pluto wants to wipe out the past and start fresh. Yet they have much in common, They both clear the way. They both can bring healing, tranquility and deep meditation. Meditation and practices like yoga can be especially helpful now."

People believe the empire is ending a thousand times before it actually does. Rash leaders court apocalyptic outcomes but the full fruition of their ignorance is rare. As an astrologer, it’s safe to say that from the perspective of the second half of the 2020s, the next few years will be seen as a time of turmoil and change. Pluto and Saturn both ripen karma, making it visible to all. With these planets on the U.S. natal Pluto. America has a lot of soul searching to do. As a collective, the human race now confronts the consequences of ignored responsibilities. Things are changing fast, but whether for the better or the worse remains to be seen.
Most astrologers expect another worldwide economic crisis, the big one after the crash of 2008. Some expect more natural disasters. Throw some earthquakes in with those fires and super storms. Others predict a Constitutional Crisis, or even a civil war when Neptune enters Aries in 2025. The last time we had Neptune in Aries the U.S. did have the Civil War. Deadly epidemics and climate disaster also come up frequently.
All of these are certainly possibilities from the astrological perspective, but I’m less pessimistic. All of this happens in Capricorn. The positive energy of Jupiter has entered Capricorn. And cautious Saturn conjuncts the Pluto return. It’s sure to be momentous, but not necessarily disasterous. There’s just too much common sense and restraint in all that Saturn and Capricorn.
Another positive factor is that the conjunction of Saturn and Pluto is in orb of the U.S. natal Pluto. but five degrees away. It’s not as intense as it might have been if they were within a degree or two, or exact. This could indicate a long term process. First, Saturn will cross the U.S. Pluto during the second half of February 2020. If there is an issue, it should become obvious then. It will perhaps be underestimated and even dismissed or at least postponed. But then Pluto will exactly conjunct the U.S. Pluto in early February 2022 and all through October 2023, which may be the real moment of crisis.
The first key moment is January 12, 2020, the only time Saturn and Pluto will be exactly conjunct. We’ll have the conjunction most of the year but this is when we should get a clear idea of what to expect. Uranus will be stationary direct, bringing the unexpected, the new, the shocking. Then Mercury will conjunct the sun conjunct Saturn conjunct Pluto. Saturn conjunct Pluto may play out in a dramatic way, though not necessarily on that day. In our own lives it’s helpful to see what challenges arise at this time. Address any weaknesses. Do not ignore repairs and reforms. Observe carefully, as Saturn and Pluto like to hide things, but they are so slow and methodical one can read the signs with sincere effort.
We could argue that the old and conservative are favored with Saturn conjunct Pluto in Capricorn. But Saturn won’t be in Capricorn much longer. Only till the end of 2020. It’s strange to think that over the next ten years we will leave behind the very conservative, nostalgic, and morose combination of Saturn in Capricorn, Pluto in Capricorn, and Neptune in Pisces. Instead we will have Saturn in Aquarius, Pluto in Aquarius, and Neptune in Aries."
October 3, 2020 at 12:12
(Taurus) Iceblu333 » Iceblu333
The writer of this article even mentions Eris... who i am concerned about...

Someone in my opinion wants revenge Dec and Jan... in the fashion of lilith...



Eris has been called a dwarf planet. The name refers to the ancient Greek goddess of chaos, strife and discord. Famously she was not invited to the wedding of the parents of Achilles, but she attended anyway. Her gift of a golden apple ultimately resulted in the doom of Achilles and Troy.
Since the 1950s Eris has the distinction of being the deity favored by Discordians. But to understand what Eris means to astrologers, Robert Graves is a better choice. Indiscriminate rage, slaughter, and destruction. Graves points out that to reverse the order of nature Zeus is helped by Eris. There is a quality of fate, of consequence, of vengeance against hubris signified by the astrological Eris.
Pluto has been squaring Eris since spring of 2016. Pluto moves very slowly but Eris is even slower. The square will be exact in 2020. To complicate matters this square occurs conjunct America’s Pluto Return. Big karma for the U.S, and indeed, right on schedule, Trump was elected that fall to mirror America’s shadow beyond anything we’ve seen before.
But Eris has been squaring America’s Pluto since 1989, steadily since 1992. Riot grrrl is a good symbol of the appearance of this energy. A punk movement organized by females, featuring female art dedicated to elucidating the hypocrisy and injustice of the patriarchy. Third Wave Feminism had a strongly Eris flavor.
America’s Pluto return will last through 2024. The Eris square to the US Pluto will last right through the 2030s so America’s appointment with destiny with Eris is a long term relationship.
As with individuals, how society decides to react to these challenging aspects will determine events. The more Eris is resisted the more intense the crisis. Whatever the crisis is the year 2020, the next presidential election, is ground zero. That election will be a referendum on what it means to be American.
It is possible that a theocratic Dominionist dictatorship may raise its ugly head in a coup attempt or worse. But we have the tools to reconnect the divided, to bring communication to diverse elements, to respect the variety of grievances laid bare by history. We have tools for conflict resolution and we have successful experiments in sustainable communities. However if denial and hatred prevail there may be an ugly reckoning. Acts of terror are possible. Environmental crisis, or economic collapse of some kind, are also worst case scenarios. But this will only galvanize the sense of purpose.
How as individuals can we best weather such harsh astrological conditions. Well, first consider that your karma has brought you here for this experience. You have something to learn and something to contribute. The most powerful current will be associated with bringing justice to those who have been wronged for too long.
The spectrum of vengeful anger from arguing politics online, to acts of politically motivated violence, is not the way to get the best out of Eris square Pluto."

I know people who have exemplified coming to grips with Eris in their lives. In deciding how to use their talents and resources they make their decisions based on a greater good. For example, a band mate of mine from the early 2000s was a charismatic musician with a natural gift for playing almost any instrument. His sense of style caused Hollywood stylists to follow him around when they needed ideas. He had a band with two guys much like himself. Their idea of a gig was playing a street corner with big empty water jugs for drums. Kids would swarm those gigs. I had no doubt that these were rock stars of a new generation. But he had zero interest in the fame factory. He played music for the joy of it while pursuing training as an environmental engineer.
I know an actress who toured the world but gave it up to get a Ph.D. on how to manage fires, and how to restore and protect habitats. An educator teaching inner city kids to grow organic vegetables. A collective devising revolutionary advances in community farming. These are the people building a better future for us all. They are using their time and skills wisely. This does not mean that we must all give up our vocations and become crusaders for the environment, people of color, LGBQT, or for women’s rights, but the more our decisions reflect awareness the more likely a better outcome, individually and collectively.
Historically the scarcity caused by desertification leads to the violent suppression of the rights of women and minorities. We stand at a crossroads. Will America, frozen in denial, refuse the mantle of leadership? Will we fight against the evolution of our own species? Or will we lead the way in making the changes that are necessary, in discovering new and better ways to live?
One more thing about Eris. Swedenborg wrote that the essential emotion of Hell is feeling aggrieved because we are not being supported as we wish to be. That, and indulging in pleasure over the spectacle of others being denied support, and enjoying refusing support when we can give it.
For Swedenborg the presence of this emotion of feeling wronged because we have not received the support we wanted, this bad habit of furthering the wrong by refusing support to others, and enjoying the chagrin we cause, is the sure sign of a soul headed for self inflicted damnation. Self inflicted, because Swedenborg believed God never damns anyone. The damned damn themselves. They aren’t thrown into Hell, they dive in. From this point of view Facebook appears to be a portal of Hell where lost souls argue over what they should or shouldn’t support. Dive in at your peril.
If you want to get the best out of Eris square Pluto in your own life extinguish grudges. Instead examine your your potential. Are you doing things you shouldn’t be? Are you taking advantage of the dispossessed in some way? How can you bring more justice to your activities? How can you help not only yourself but people who have a right to feel that they’ve been wronged? Can you help them find out that life offers them more opportunity and support than they expected? Can you give without expecting in return? Can you discriminate in the use of your resources in ways that serve the greater good? Above all, invite chaos to your wedding. Allow the unexpected into your life. Look at the world from the perspective of Eris, and you may find some serious healing for yourself and others.
John Trudell quote from an interview by Tamra Lucid.
Photo by Tamra Lucid."
October 3, 2020 at 12:14
(Pisces) fishscales » Iceblu333
"What is the Possibility of Trump dieing on Oct 12/13?

CAUSING the Mercury retrograde."

Are you saying that Trump´s potential death would outright *cause* the Mercury retrograde?

I think you know that could not happen...

There is always synchronicity though...events that coincide with other events...as if by design...

I would think that the death of a major world leader would tend to coincide with some kind of disturbance involving one of the slower moving planets though...Saturn and beyond...not Mercury, who goes retro like we change socks...but who knows...

Not that I´m harboring any theories that Trump may die... I haven´t looked into the possibility one way or another enough to comment.
October 3, 2020 at 12:15
(Taurus) Iceblu333 » Iceblu333



"The U.S. Pluto Return: Why Precession Matters
JUNE 13, 2017 · PUBLIC
Many astrologers speak of the Pluto return of the United States as though it were just around the corner. The tropical position of Pluto for the various times used for the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 was 27⁰ Capricorn 34’. According to contemporary tropical ephemerides, transiting Pluto will reach this position on February 22, 2022. That is straightforward and uncontestable until one notices that the orbital period for Pluto is 247.686 years.* That means Pluto will not have completed an entire orbit since July 1776 in February 2022 even though a tropical ephemeris will indicate as much, because only 245.64 years will have elapsed since July 1776 in February 2022.
The position of Pluto in terms of sidereal reckoning on July 4, 1776 was 5⁰ Capricorn 57’. According to sidereal ephemerides transiting Pluto will reach this position on February 22, 2024. If one adds the portion of the elapsed year when the Declaration was adopted which is 1776.505 to 247.686, the result is 2024.191 which produces the February 2024 date. So what is happening here? The sidereal position corresponds to Pluto’s orbital period and its correct position in terms of sidereal reckoning, but the tropical position is correct for the tropical frame of reference.
This apparent contradiction is an example of one of the Earth’s motions: precession. The Earth’s spin axis wobbles, or more formally, precesses, like a child’s spinning top due primarily to the gravitational tugs on the Earth’s bulging equator by the Sun and Moon, as well as lesser gravitational perturbations by Jupiter and Saturn. The wobble is exceedingly slow and takes approximately 25,800 years to complete a single cycle. Precession continuously changes the orientation of the Earth with respect to the stars that comprise the zodiac at the rate of 50.25 seconds of arc per year, one degree in 71.6 years and an entire sign of the zodiac in approximately 2150 years, which illustrates the difference between tropical and sidereal reckoning. According to sidereal reckoning, the zodiac is defined by the positions of the stars that comprise it. The sidereal frame of reference stays aligned to the sky. According to tropical reckoning, the zodiac is defined by the seasons, which disconnects that entire frame of reference from the sky. The result is perfectly illustrated in the case of Pluto’s return to its natal place in the horoscope of the U.S. Declaration of Independence.
More than three and a half degrees of precession will have accrued in 2024 since 1776 (3⁰ 37’ 35” between July 4, 1776 and February 22, 2024). Tropical reckoning does not take precession into account. The result of disregarding it is that the tropical position of Pluto in February 2022, which shows an exact conjunction of transiting Pluto to its natal place in 1776, is actually two years short of an exact conjunction; thus the U.S. Pluto return is incontrovertibly in 2024, not 2022. The point is that tropical longitudes cannot be used to describe era to era comparisons. Precession very quickly—in this case in less than one complete Pluto orbit—produces enormous errors in terms of where planets really are in the zodiac if a moving standard like tropical reckoning is employed. If sidereal reckoning is ignored as the over-arching frame of reference, astrology itself becomes divorced from the sky and astrological timing becomes confounded especially as people—and countries—age.
© Kenneth Bowser, 2017"
October 3, 2020 at 12:20
(Taurus) Iceblu333 » fishscales
No, it was a random thought.

Without explanation, it sounds crazy.

Think about it like this.

Trump dies and the media goes crazy...

Or something like that.

It was a random thought. When I was half asleep.

FYI, these are just random notes. If you´re reading this, it´s just to make you think of possibilities that can pop up.
October 3, 2020 at 13:08
(Taurus) Iceblu333
South Node Exactly Quincunxed Trumps Natal Saturn the day of the debates.

Jupiter exactly Quincunxed Uranus on the 30th.


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October 3, 2020 at 14:45
(Libra) leorising » Iceblu333
My intuition says that Trump will be re-elected even with the coronavirus situation. I find it really hard Biden to beat Trump. :108:
October 4, 2020 at 07:25
(Taurus) Iceblu333
...Nancy Pelosi...

On Dec 20,2020

Pluto will exactly Trine Neptune.

Jupiter and Saturn conjuncfion is Exactly opposite her Natal Pluto...

South Node will exactly Quincunx Uranus...
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October 4, 2020 at 15:01
(Gemini) ElizabethP » leorising
Trumps chart is much better than Bidens.
non-partisan Psychics and ´christian prophets´ say Trump will win.
non-partisan astrologers say Trump will win.

BUT .. I´m being practical .. he´s totally underwater in the polls.

For Trump to win, it would take divine intervention.

OR .. dark intervention.

But someone or something, with more power than mere humans and human countries, would have to make it happen.

I´m not seeing it.
October 4, 2020 at 17:04
(Taurus) Iceblu333 » ElizabethP
I will be deleting talking points later, this forum is for looking/finding weird aspects people may see that finds the result of the election and what will/may happen Dec 20... and Jan 20...


The media polls are useless, they said the same thing about Hillary Clinton winning in 2016... until she didn´t.

Last time there weren´t as many bad transits as there are now....

No one seems to be able to find a clear winner....


As far as i can see Biden may win... but then something VERY BAD happens...

There may be some type of revenge involved with someone... lilith is involved and Mars....

That´s underworld energy... lilith killed children and was vengeful for God choosing Adam´s side instead of hers and replacing her with Eve... so there you go...

But it could also be that Trump wins and they try to get revenge on Trump...

It could be that ALL the Epstein tapes get released exposing alot of the Billionaires in sex rings including Biden and Bloomberg....


So there may be a winner... but there may not be a winner...

All I see is chaos and fighting and revenge...

So I dont know...
October 4, 2020 at 17:26
(Taurus) Iceblu333
Some kind of revenge that shakes and shocks the world...

All the transits are there...
October 4, 2020 at 17:59
(Taurus) Iceblu333 » Iceblu333
The Lilith Uranus conjunction "could" exactly oppose Nancy Pelosi´s Moon.

We dont have her exact Birth time. On the Rodden Scale the times are all estimated for her...

That is an possibility...
October 4, 2020 at 18:07
(Taurus) Iceblu333 » leorising
The election results may he held up until Dec 20...

And the result will cause someone to have revenge on someone... or maybe even the people because it is Lilith conjunct Uranus the people.


So maybe Trump could lose and release the tapes to show the voters that Biden and many people backing him were pedophiles trying to keep thier power and also keep thier sex ring under raps...

And the idiotic people feel for it. And have to live with thier decision to elect a high level pedophile as President and the powerful people backing Biden will never be held accountable for thier wrong doings...

The "Perfect Revenge" that will destroy trumps opponent in lilith fashion...

But that is just a conspiracy...

All I know is that Lilith is greatly involved...

I dont know who will win.
At this point i don´t care...
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