Pluto in Aquarius - Discussions, questions

iris70 » Graham Thanks, Graham! :)
I love the way you put it and I agree! We will try to discuss this chart, however, this is a temporary chart, as the final will take place in the same year, 2024, on November 20th, which will be the final chart to try to read.

In the chart, we have ASC, which points to some transformation and financial relations with other countries.

and are in 7th, an angular house, so important, prominent, dealing with foreign affairs. is still in so there is still financial instability, related to resources/energy, also change in foreign affairs and bonds between nations?

being in 4th gives me the impression that the living conditions of the general populace isn´t easy, because of calamities (?)/financial restrictions. It is also a house related to crops and (food) production and since the 10th, this may affect those ruling.
No wonder the people are challenged by what is going on which is, according to my book, in the house of calamities like floods, earthquakes, cyclones, storms, accidents and epidemics the house of death and finances.
is intercepted in 2nd too and which may indicate cases of dishonesty, financial frauds and scandals-which may be kept in secret?-intercepted-, but the , the people, are very curious to find what is really going on, behind closed doors, involving finances-8th- because their living conditions are really bad and it is possible that they are interested in conspiracy theories spread in the net, but the point is who spreads these rumors and to what degree what is circulating is true. Is there manipulation of the public involved? It is interesting, for example, that the tightly so maybe there is manipulation used by those in power to control the public and their opinions.

, the chart ruler, is in 3rd of communication/information/means of transport.

Lonerose99 Hi Iris! Having left off at pg 3, I finally got myself caught up on your thread here. The exchanges between you and Graham are much food for thought. I notice that 2nd ingress is close to the house cusps of my own chart, and the is an aspect I will continue to have through the progressed for it will also be entering around that time! I am inclined to think that that ingress will impact me more on a personal level than the 1st one in March of this year, do you think it would?

iris70 » iris70 In the chart, it is interesting that both the Moon and are Out of bonds and appear, thus, to act independently, in a rebellious way and in that sense, the may also indicate the way the governments, those in power choose to impose law and order, is the army/the police- - going to be used/violence? against those protesting?- in 3rd-

wondering...

iris70 » Lonerose99 T will your pr on some profound level bringing transformation on some level, but since this is the Mundane section, I am not very into talking about personal charts. However, maybe you can tell us how you expect this to affect you.

Lonerose99 » iris70 I cannot say yet as I am in the midst of it in late yet. And I need to look closely at the 2nd chart. I was just struck by the similarity. Wasn´t trying to derail this fascinating thread.. carry on, it´s all good. 🙂 👍

iris70 » Hylonome Interesting points, here:
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We can think of it as a tool that amplifies the ´darkness/shades´ of people.

I think it would be interesting to include in these discussions that if they ´control´ us through technology it is because we allow them to.
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Agreed, 100%! However, what if some powerful out there control all media, spreading news that suit their purposes? You have to think that not everyone is educated enough, or suspicious enough to think deeper and realize that there are reasons why some news is spread and some powerful stand behind it, although not seen, as what is spread is through some *professionals* posting/spreading news/that we watch on TV etc. It is not easy to realize what is true and what is not and the only thing that is certainly true is that we know nothing!

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What have we done to get to ´this situation´? How could Pluto in Aquarius help us to ´improve´?
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Technology is a great tool. If it weren´t for technology, you and me, for example, wouldn´t communicate! Of course, this is the least, just a silly example. The point is that technology IS used to serve the purposes of some people, who stay out of view, whose motives are obscure. Do not forget that even individuals with criminal activity use it for their sick purposes.

Something must be done, so that there is more transparency, I feel.
Maybe, at some point will transform technology and maybe we will be able to say who says what and so find out the reason behind it all,connect the dots, because up to now, all is kept secret. Fake/secret accounts are open to spread rumors eg. Who controls this? However, people believe them! They trust the news, as they have read it in the web written by some professional!!
Something obviously has to change, but I think that some very powerful individuals use those means, so change is not convenient. Go figure why some piece of news is spread and who is hiding behind.

Graham » Vera blue "What is the 17th Harmonic behavioural pattern?"
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In "Harmonic Astrology In Practice", astrologer David Hamblin describes this behaviour pattern as ... rebelliousness, subversiveness, campaigning for change.

Vera blue » Graham I see!Thank you!!!

Graham » iris70 "In the 21st January 2024 chart, we have ......"
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You have described the current situation in the UK ... which appears to be worsening as each day goes by.

Living conditions are not easy (particularly for young people, and those with no savings to cushion the effects of inflation). The people are indeed being challenged by the effects of climate change; senior members of the government are being sacked for behaving in ways that make them "not the kind of example the public want to see" and (perhaps understandably) an increasing number of people are expressing support for conspiracy theories which would have been ridiculed only a few months ago.

Hard times ... and perhaps the peacetime equivalent of the problems/anxiety the UK had to endure/overcome in the aftermath of the 1940 evacuation of Dunkirk.

Astro-Seek.com » iris70 System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Thank you Iris for your comment and for the ideas you share. I´m glad you joined Astro Seek. I am observing you since "I discovered" you here and I think I am not wrong if I say that you are one of the most kind and lovely people I read here. I can feel your energy and that´s very nice, because there is no arrogance in you. We can agree each other or not (I don´t talk about this thread, I mean in general ), but I can´t imagine you (even if I don´t know you) talking in a bad way. That´s nice. Thank you for that. No idea why I am saying this haha

Well, I will just share what I really think, I can be wrong about this, of course (or I can change my ideas in the future)...

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"However, what if some powerful out there control all media, spreading news that suit their purposes?"
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Then I have to ask, what do we do to allow/not allow that? We are not MANY MORE than them?

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"the only thing that is certainly true is that we know nothing!"
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Because we decide it. If we would really be an awaken society, we wouldn´t live nothing of this. I know this sounds utopian, but in an objective way, forgetting about what we have right now and the fact that evolution takes a time, if we would work ONLY in ourselves, most of the problems we know today, would dissapear.

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I have read once that Internet was created with a higher purpose. I follow this idea. As you very well say and it´s not AT ALL a silly example -IT IS the example- through these interactions, we are able to expand our consciousness and evolve.

If I would need to learn from you and we would live in 1700, I´d need to travel to your country, that would take me a lot of days and who knows if I would arrive to there. I wouldn´t be able to stay a lot there so, how much I´d learn from you?

Multiplicate this for the amount of people I knew, know and I´ll know in this life that will be part of my path. The pending issues I have to resolve with I don´t know how many souls in this planet.

So Internet/technology has a very important role here.

But as I say since some years... The society uses the tool as it would be ´a new toy´. You know how works that with the kids... I think it´s the same situation with us, the difference is that it will take us many years more (than a child with a new toy) probably.

I have to admit that the pandemic was very useful with this: people is tired of technology. I guess that now starts a process of total disconnecting of others (how many of us answers the messages many hours later, unless it´s a message from someone we really care about?).

After the disconnection, comes the connection. It´s a natural cycle. We can´t avoid it... We will able to reconnect again, in a new way, I guess (or I hope?). We are learning... It is what it is...

iris70 » Graham Graham, I agree that this is the situation in the UK judging from what some internet friends of ours describe-eg Etherea, and what I watch on the news, but more the less, the situation is similar in most countries. The cost of living is sky-rocketing even in my country-Greece- and this started after the Ukraine invasion under the excuse that quantity of crops that were grown in Ukraine was huge and we were unable to find after the war those products elsewhere in similar prices. Of course the energy crisis became more acute, because of the whole situation that was developed, which resulted into the rise of all prices! The energy was a pre- existing hot issue because of the energy depletion and the fact that we are addicted to using fossil fuel and waste of energy and the public is reluctant to change their habits. Even housing/rending a flat is unaffordable and personally, I cannot see why it is linked to the energy crisis.
On the other hand, although there has been some rise in the basic salary here, the rise is too small, so poor people get even poorer and definitely some few make money out of it all.
So more the less, the situation is similar to most countries, unfortunately!

iris70 » Hylonome Hylonome,:)
Thank you for your encouraging words! It means a lot! I am happy to be here too! It is a friendly forum!

I do not think that I disagree with anything you have written! The thing is that most people are unwilling to change their lives, they act like immature kids, expecting the issues to be magically resolved by themselves somehow, they are unwilling to take action, do something, many of them are afraid, for this or the other reason and think that so many out there are not properly educated, or have other very serious issues to deal with so what we are talking is considered unimportant eg *who cares if the news is fake, I have to find the money to put something on the table, as the kids are starving and I am unemployed/we are getting evicted/...*

Lonerose99 » Hylonome I have known Iris70 for several yrs, both of us now finding ourselves unexpected "transfers" from our previous forum. She is an excellent interpreter, along with having an insight into understanding the nuances of conversing with others far and wide. 🙂

You mention reconnecting in a new way and the first thing that came to mind is what about the hologram? Maybe that will be developed with in where it will be as if a person is right there with us!

iris70 » Lonerose99 Oh, thank you, Lonerose!
It was t my n yesterday and it was good to read this!
It is also good that we can talk in this forum without any limit on posts irrelevant to the topic/without astrological contribution, which is good as to strengthen the bonds between members. This is not allowed in a forums, as you know! Emotional expression is important, according to my .

Astro-Seek.com » iris70 System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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You deserve it

I completely agree, Iris. I see it this way as well. And I like this thread and everything that´s being discussed here but my point is ´how useful it is to talk about Pluto in Aquarius´, without analising the context and making relations with our past and the actions in the past that brought us to this present and how we can ´use´ this Pluto in Aquarius for improving at least something.

For example, we talk about being controlled by technology, for me that´s terrible (even being a professional that works with technology, lol!) but, is this the first time that we are controlled by ´something´? In reality, we are being controlled by ´someone´ through technology. So, Pluto in Aquarius related to technology can find another meaning here?

I know we can not do nothing from an astrology forum but I can´t avoid seeing (or looking for) a general picture of the situation when the element we are talking about needs to be explained with the ´other elements of the picture´. I don´t know if I explain myself...

We can´t and we mustn´t force nobody to evolve, but... We can do something (beyond working on ourselves) that helps in that process?

This is the reflection that I tried to share I hope in my desire of reflection I am not diverting the thread (please let me know).

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PS: btw I didn´t know what was mundane astrology, I knew the concept thanks to you. When I read your post for first time ("I don´t consider myself a mundane astrologer"), I thought "mundane" was being used as an adjective and I was like, "what´s going on here?"

Astro-Seek.com » Lonerose99 System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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That´s nice, I hope I can learn from her and from you as well (hey, I guess I have to be happy that Astro have closed its forum! )

You´re right, I totally forgot them; it´s interesting you point them because it´s something we should consider as well.

Anyway my idea behind that comment is that we´ll back to the ´origin´. There is a ´thin line´ between being connected and lose the humanity; we are losing the face to face, being in person, looking at our real eyes, etc.

I think that the next lesson is to understand for what we can/ have to use technology and for what "no, definetely not". There is a completely lack of boundaries that are affecting our lives.

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I hope that also bring us the intelligence to understand that technology is contaminant as well. I work with Internet and I try to explain/share how it contaminates... There is a parallel world about nobody talks very much (people usually answers: "what? Internet contaminates? How?", haha I love their reactions... Oh, yeah a lot of CO2 ).

iris70 » Hylonome Hylonome,:)
Thank you again, but I have to say that you should not expect to learn astrology from any forum members. It´s all personal opinions! What I strongly advise everyone to do is study Astrology from books, maybe attend seminars too. I had been trying to learn astrology from other forum members for years. I did learn a few things, but I also learned some *misconceptions*, because there is no Astrology forum that there is a moderator correcting/deleting posts that use astrology the wrong way, or asks from members to say why they say something/where they have read it. Do you know how much nonsense circulate? It´s unbelievable and this happens in most forums that I know. It is not easy for a beginner to know who knows what he is talking about and who is just making things up. It´s a shame, because astrology is an art, but it is basically a science that one should study really hard from well-known authors for years to realize what is really going on and not speak nonsense!
Some people take Astrology seriously and what circulates may affect some people. So people in forums post according to the level of their knowledge/experience and skill. Some Astrology lovers never learn, because they do not wish to study, or do not have the gift. The important thing to remember is that when answering to other posters, you should respect this art and the poster´s feelings. For example, I do not predict death and I try to say something positive; hope is everything and remember there is always the element of free-will...

I will comment on the rest some other time...

Lonerose99 » Hylonome "Complete lack of boundaries"
"Internet contaminates"
In my opinion, the www has an uninhibited freedom that took off like wildfire, once the "need" for it in people´s homes began to take place. The need became simply the instant communication we never had before, no matter where a person was physically at on the planet There were practically no rules and regulations as to content, and by the time governments realized there should have been something in place, it was way too late. So there became such things as the dark web, and hackers, and stealing identities, also fake information passed off as true... and who knows what else. Can´t get the genie back into the bottle now! Perhaps in will try to tear down this new-fangled freedom somehow to do away with the underbelly, then put something better in place?????

iris70 » Lonerose99 I agree with Lonerose.

stigmí I dont know what it can bring globaly, but pluto in aquarius will bring to me trine to my sun and sextil to my moon. I am very curious to this energy. I feel like I already miss it…

Astro-Seek.com » iris70 System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Thank you, Iris. Yes, I perfectly understand what you say because I work with information and that makes me to be very careful, to corroborate what I read before I share it, to verify it, etc. So I know what you mean with this and how important is to verify what we read before ´accepting it like the truth´.

Or in my own words: do not believe in nothing until you REALLY know that what they say is true unless you know who is them and you really trust on them! (I personally allow myself to doubt even of the people I trust)

Anyway I think I can learn from you. The human interactions bring us that: I can learn a new or better way of interpretating a transit, or something new I didn´t take in mind before about a planet or a sign, or how to communicate an idea, etc. I won´t be astrologer only reading threads, but I´m sure that I can always learn something new being here

Astro-Seek.com » Lonerose99 System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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I agree, we "can´t get the genie back into the bottle" as you say and I don´t think we should stop using technology or Internet. In fact, what I always say is that we have to improve our daily routine as much as we can (as we try to consume less plastic, the same with Internet) because we can´t replace what we already have. We are totally depedent on the Internet / technology.

Anyway I think that we also need to set boundaries in our use. Not others (the powerful ones) ´against us´. Some people uses Internet in their daily life that affects their health. That people needs boundaries, not from politics, self boundaries, awareness, consciousness with what they´re doing.

So I´d like to expect a transformation and better use about Internet/technology with Pluto in Aquarius, if we take the ´best´ of both -planet and sign. But I seem very optimistic saying this, right?

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"will try to tear down this new-fangled freedom somehow to do away with the underbelly, then put something better in place?????"
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What would be ´something better´ ?

iris70 » stigmí Stigmi!
Good to see you, girl!:)
You are one of those lucky ones who will get easy aspects to their natal placements! Good to you! However, it will be your MC/IC axis

Anthony19 The last time Pluto in an air sign was 1983 when he was in Libra(Cardinal Air 1st sign of relationship) All the tech invention in the 80s were for helping relationships: easier foe communications mobile phones....internet...breaking down of cold wars/ Berlin Wall....

Now Pluto is in the fixed sign of the Air Tripicities. He(I called Pluto he may not be political correct!!???) is now stabilising all these trends in a "Plutonian way"--Wiped out/ Transform/ Transcend....

Pluto is going to validate the Saturn Jupiter conjunction (3 times) of 00 Aquarius 20´ first. Pluto always: Wiped-out or Transform.

All the inventions/new structures on business/new ideas will be tested in no uncertainty terms, otherwise it cannot/will survive. To safeguard a lot of innocent minds a lot of freedom of cultural/sexual/scientific/others inventions/matters will be curtailed.

It is a very difficult situation, as many people in the forum have foreseen: the Genie has been let out of the bottle!

JesseZX some events that took place during the previous transit of pluto through aquarius (which for reference was 1778-1798):
french revolution (1789-1799). destruction (pluto) of institutions (aquarius). in this context the aristocracy was the fixed institution. the revolutionaries destroyed this in order to bring about a completely new one that was based on intangible theory.
haitian revolution, 1791-1804 (i´m getting all my dates from wikipedia), in which the african population of haiti slaughtered the entirety of the french and mulatto population of the island.
the first president of the united states is elected (serving from ´89 to ´97). i´ve read that some people even wanted this man (george washington) to be the new king. he could have possibly served for life had he not retired from office by his own volition - setting a precedent for future presidents to have no more than two terms in office.
the "first fleet" of english settlers arrive in australia - 1788 - where their descendants dominate the land to this day.

a trend here is that these things seem to begin during the middle of the transit (according to the dates i listed). that is - when pluto is around 15 degrees aquarius. as for the french revolution, it wasn´t a spontaneous grassroots type of thing but rather involved some elaborate conspiring which was likely in the works for years (and even if it was some sort of spontaneous peasant revolt, said peasants would have been suffering for years leading up to the events), so for that one it can be said that the gears were in motion at the beginning of the transit.
as for the haitian revolution, maybe this could be considered more ´grassroots´, although again - the slaves must´ve been struggling for years against the french.
first president of united states: same case - that is, for quite some time the colonists had been working to figure out and set up the type of government they wanted.

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the recent transit and conjunction of jupiter and pluto in aquarius coincided with the sneeze lockdowns, iirc. aquarius is fixed, mental, and traditionally ruled by saturn. jupiter expands and saturn regulates, basically.
jupiter expanded social humanitarian stuff. it should be noted that the "humanitarianism" of aquarius is different from that of pisces, in that pisces´ humanitarianism is associated with jupiter and is more compassionate, whereas the aquarius care for humanity is associated with saturn and is logical.
while jupiter did that, saturn was regulating in one of its most favored ways. in capricorn saturn is like a timekeeper (i think), in libra he is like a judge, and in aquarius it likes to make up rules and keep things confined (fixed) within certain boundaries, like castle walls for example.

now, the speculation here is about what pluto will do in aquarius.
i predict that it will be like when spongebob experienced advanced darkness. the glovelight is aquarius (internet, institutions, constitutional/ideological frameworks, etc), and the darkness is pluto energy.
https://youtu.be/XjA98SWhuFQ