Pluto in Aquarius - Discussions, questions

iris70 Hi again, :)
I wish to stress the importance of being angular. What sounds particularly interesting to me is that forms 2 major and exact aspects, first to that angular and also . Since is associated with feminism, sexuality, and spirituality, I would suggest that there will be heated news/discussions concerning the rights of women who feel terribly suppressed by patriarchy in several parts of the world, as women have no rights at all there, which is awfully infuriating and something has to be done to bring radical change to deep ingrained ideologies concerning the subject. If I were a leader of certain countries, say in Iran and many others, I wouldn´t feel happy to see this! I do hope that those sisters of ours find a way to bring justice and get what they have been deprived of for...ever since this world began.

is out of bonds in this chart in Declination, which means that it tends to know no boundaries and accept no limits. Often there will be no stopping it! is also on 29th degree, which spells of some imminent change, an emergency. It is an important planet being MC ruler and fuels , and , so there can be important changes in ideas be it political/religious/philosophical/our moral code for what is right/wrong/fair, or not. On top, , so striving to act in an original, dramatic way to express it´s individuality. This aspect fuels further towards independence and a battle for freedom!

and are contra // which can add to confusion over news spread, thankfully there is no aspect between the 2 as well.

Well, in and 8th is definitely not an easy placement! The 8th may stand for the banking system, bankers, stockholders, it signifies state officials, how the law is imposed to civilians, thankfully it is not afflicted, but still gives a to , the old order *blocking* new ideas/order criticizing, challenging, blocking the expression of new ideas, to bring under control, putting obstacles for anything new and unconventional to emerge and flourish, there can be a clash,possibly death too, with those imposing the law and order, being in the house of crisis, implying some transformation is needed, though. However, is in the house of death too, which may increase deaths as a result of epidemics/pandemics-not necessarily COVID19 alone, as will be in for about the next 20 years-

However, there are some good news. has been in signs of it´s rulership and for several years-about 5-which brought about the best of what can do: restriction, austerity, death- think of Covid and lockdowns, in which cases in some parts of the world the COVID restrictions were imposed in extreme ways, blocking all rights of freedom of expression/expressing individuality-we had to wear masks, many people still do!-. Also think that even technology was employed to *control)/*manipulate* people into accepting the restriction of their freedom of expression!

in is a lot weaker. It is about finding a way and succeed into making our dreams come true-IF there is some realistic way to be found-, eg making the world more equal, as is associated with Socialism, is against racism and this may influence many issues eg immigration policies, I feel.

There can be several positive periods eg when t will be in - will enter on 17th May, this year- and will form a to which is fortunate for economy/markets/ finance/resources.

iris70 » Graham Well, Graham, I like your questions, I like it that you aren´t passive and you contribute to the thread, as it would sound too *lonely* otherwise and I would have stopped posting feeling awfully bored!

You know lots of astrology, so far I disagree with nothing you have written.

Lainie is a *friend* from Astrodienst, having been into astrology...almost ever since I was born.
There are different schools of astrology that teach different things. In general, I do not disagree with what Linda says. My humble opinion, though, judging from the books I have read, personal experience and in general is similar to what you have described. Linda uses a different astrological approach it seems, but I respect it! If someone is into Evolutionary astrology, for example, is the most important power! So different schools.

However, she was right about transits. T will n soon, later on your n and finally n , triggering your n . I would be cautious of transits, if I were you. What is more, t is currently n and n and in a few years´ time it will your . T however, will not make hard aspects to any of your placements. It will give an -is this inconjunct?-to your n /MC and well, n and come together through their , but the inconjunct is an aspect that cannot bring the end of the world! -always according to my view- The Inconjunct/quincunx 150 degrees is an aspect that calls for adjustments, modifications and improvements, as the planets are in aversion, as *Traditionalists* call it, cannot see one another, it is an *irritating* aspect, something is annoying and change is the way out, but I wouldn´t expect the end of the world really.

However, bearing in mind that at the same time you´ll get t n , the combination could cause 10th house *themes* to come to the fore, due to the natural affinity of with 10th. Of course, without an in depth analysis as to what it all means, all these mean...nothing at all!

In general, I do not come into any *judgement* unless I study many charts, (eg directions, return charts) and if the pattern is repeated then...maybe there is a strong indication. So, do not get very alarmed by all that, I have not read your charts in depth. I only talked about the obvious-transits-there is much more in astrology. Some aspects come to go.

I could have a look at your charts, but right now, all my energy is around this thread, as I have other things to do as well (work, household, children, husband etc) Maybe some time later...although I feel that you know as much astrology as I do, if not more!

I do not really focus much on transits...my personal view, although most astrologers do!

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BUT the Pluto transit activation of my natal Sun-Jupiter-Uranus-MC will be a background influence (providing an opportunity to learn the Pluto-lesson "promised" by that natal chart configuration).
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I agree! This is how works! It causes radical change, but patiently waits long for transits by faster moving planets eg an eclipse/Lunation/t / to bring about an event. That is why it is so slow, working *underground* to bring radical transformation, but this takes time and it is hard to realize what really caused all this! My personal view and what I know from studying Predictive astrology and charts of people close to me.

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my mother died when transit Pluto was conjunct my natal Sun in 1994, but that transit was too slow to have "created"/been-the-astrological-indicator of her 16th February death. [That was more likely triggered by transit Sun at 27AquariusXX, square natal Sun at 27Scorpio41.] ... However, her death "awakened" me to the realisation that I was "a product of my childhood and adolescent conditioning" (which "transformed" my way of interacting with "the outside world").
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My condolences! My father died under similar transits. It was in 2010 with t

my stellium. T t t !!! That nasty T-Square right on my stellium! It has a huge loss for us all, but when it comes to me personally, it took me a long while to get over, my dad was relatively young-had just turned 70-and a good father-no one is perfect, I wasn´t a perfect daughter either! I was *immature and selfish* in certain ways-The event, much like in your case, caused transformation on all possible levels, it was a maturing process-t n , there was so much grief t for it all happened too fast-t , but it all raised my awareness t n on several levels, triggering my interest into astrology-n . That was when I started my journey!

Graham » iris70 "I agree! This is how works! It causes radical change, but patiently waits long for transits by faster moving planets eg an eclipse/Lunation/t / to bring about an event. That is why it is so slow, working *underground* to bring radical transformation, but this takes time and it is hard to realize what really caused all this!"
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Perhaps the slow movement/background influence of Pluto is why other members here are reading this thread, rather than attempting to participate in it ... and the Astro-seek 08: 29 :32 20th January 2022 chart for the Sun´s ingress to Aquarius at Greenwich, UK might have a more immediate/"closer-to-home impact on those members".

In that one (posted below) ... Gemini is duplicated on the cusps of the 4th + 5th houses, and Virgo/Pisces/Neptune are intercepted ... [So, an issue in the 4th and 10th houses will adversely affect the 5th and 11th houses - in a way that (until resolved) will prevent the EFFECTIVE use of the positive qualities of Virgo, Pisces and Neptune**.]

** An issue involving the people and the government will adversely affect pleasure and legislation ... Thus, in the UK, the government is indeed introducing legislation to minimise-the-disruption from strike action by unions. And the current intent of that strike action is "to make everyday life unpleasant for the people/consumers of public services".

iris70 » iris70 Thank you Graham!

Below are just some of the interesting articles on various sites about
https://star4cast.com/pluto-in-aqua…

https://pandoraastrology.com/pluto-…

https://www.astro.com/astrology/…

This one is about all outers-

https://iordanus.com/uranus-neptune…

There are dozens of articles in the web about it!

Please, read and add your comments and predictions about this major swift

ASTRSEEK Admin, Petr9 » iris70 Pluto in Aquarius - the Transition
by Stefan Hofbauer

https://www.astro.com/astrology/…
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"When astrologers interpret constellations in mundane astrology, the first thing they do is to check the ephemerides when this constellation has occurred before. There is nothing wrong with that, because people have been doing that for at least 4000 years, as far as we know. However, most mundane astrologers seem to only ever look for wars, uprisings, revolutions, epidemics and natural disasters when it comes to events of the past. Hardly anyone asks what was the positive result of the historical constellation and what might have been the potential. The latter is actually the more interesting question, if we ask it as astrologers. Otherwise, we run the risk of always projecting only our own projections, wishes, fears and anxieties into the future."

Graham » Petr9 "Hardly anyone asks what was the positive result of the historical constellation and what might have been the potential."
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And I have yet to see any Mundane Astrologers asking ... "can non-traditional astrology techniques (such as harmonic aspects) enable us to predict anything which traditional astrology techniques do not?"

iris70 » Graham Graham, :)
I was thinking of that combination in 17th Harmonic of ingress chart involving that you posted in the previous page.

in Mundane tries to make things more equal, it is related to *Socialism*, so it is about bringing *civil rights* to oppressed people. The to which stands for women´s issues and that stands for beliefs/ideals may represent an effort for issues concerning oppressed women´s rights to come to the fore, to raise awareness of their issues, for things to be made more *equal*.

I have already stated that may stand for a radical change in beliefs/ideas- is unaspected- and it may involve either issues concerning minorities, change in perspective in women´s issues as being in 1st will fight for that change. We all know how oppressed women are in parts of the world, in Islam and elsewhere. I do hope with all my heart that will help change that. Lots of women suffer what is unimaginable for the rest of us, because of beliefs established many hundred of years ago.

I have also said that maybe issues concerning sexual orientation will come to the fore and their rights, as has to do with what is not conventional and about taboos. I hope will raise our awareness and realize that we are all people with feelings, sensitivities and we all need to love, be loved and accepted for what we are. People with a different to the orthodox sexual orientation, for example, have not chosen to be this way, but it happens in 1 out of 10 births. We should change our perspective involving these and other matters as individuals first, so that our ideas are changed in collective. Human relationships suffer because of so much inequality, false/dated perspective being based on hatred. THankfully, is oriented towards humanitarian/progressive ideas that bring more equality. In most cases, this comes with people uprising and unfortunately, there can be much resistance, due to in ingress chart.

I do not know if my interpretation concerning that in 17th Harmonic can be related to all that, as I am not an expert on Harmonics.

iris70 » Petr9 Yes, that was a great article, I´m happy you liked it, Petr.

I have not finished what I had to say about yet! I just stopped to catch my breath, as I was busy doing other things. The length of this thread also depends on the interest it gets.

I would like to hear others´ predictions, for example. Perhaps it would help, if I went deeper into what stands for and what .
Maybe

Graham » iris70 "I do not know if my interpretation concerning that in 17th Harmonic can be related to all that, as I am not an expert on Harmonics."
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It is the meaning of each harmonic aspect that might add something to Mundane Astrology predictions, iris.

David Hamblin´s "Harmonic Astrology In Practice" provides a working definition for the 17th Harmonic Aspect/Chart of ... "rebelliousness, subversiveness, campaigning for change" ... And this fits very well with your interpretation for Venus, Jupiter and Neptune in the chart of Pluto´s ingress to Aquarius.

Graham » iris70 "I have not finished what I had to say about yet! I just stopped to catch my breath, as I was busy doing other things. The length of this thread also depends on the interest it gets.

I would like to hear others´ predictions, for example. Perhaps it would help, if I went deeper into what stands for and what .
Maybe"
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You have my heartfelt sympathy on this one, as I have myself experienced the feeling of "is anybody of this forum actually interested in my thread topic". ... However, I am currently working through the articles you have pointed me at - and my guess is that other members here will be doing the same. ... Moreover, what you are teaching us on this thread has prompted me to make comments on two other threads that I would not otherwise have done.

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David Hamblin´s "Harmonic Astrology In Practice" provides a working definition for the 17th Harmonic Aspect/Chart of ... "rebelliousness, subversiveness, campaigning for change" ... And this fits very well with your interpretation for Venus, Jupiter and Neptune in the chart of Pluto´s ingress to Aquarius.
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I really hope so, Graham! I have n in 10th

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Moreover, what you are teaching us on this thread has prompted me to make comments on two other threads that I would not otherwise have done.
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Thank you for this! I am not teaching anything, dear, just thinking, trying to connect dots. I am nothing better than you! I do not know anything more!
But I am glad that we exchange ideas here and we inspire each other!

Graham » iris70 "This next time round tr Pluto in Aquarius will march in time to Neptune in Aries (2025 to 2038) and initially to Uranus in Gemini (2025 to 2033) – so early on there’ll be a Uranus trine Pluto sextile Neptune after the mid 2020s – innovative and creative. Of the earlier historical happenings which might repeat, we can expect more advances in science and exploration (outer space/bottom of the sea/under Arctic ice?). For the rest – the US and France will have come full circle back to their first Pluto Return or the immediate aftermath, so significant shifts/adjustments, epochal events in both countries. Sometimes empires that rise on one Pluto cycle, fall on the next. ... https://star4cast.com/pluto-in-aqua… "
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In the UK ... innovation and creativity will be the key to surviving climate change - a combination of Neptune imagination/intuition, Uranus original thinking, Pluto determination and the "we are all in this together" spirit of Aquarius.

iris70 » iris70 as it has already been stated may involve technological advancements, which can be used on many fields, such as medicine and may change the methods of treatments of various diseases, as well as in diagnosis of those diseases.
is not only ruled by rebellious and foturistic . Traditionally, rules . During the years of stay in and now in we have experienced much authoritarian practices, employing technology to control people, for example in order to protect our health safety- eg lockdowns, masks, vaccination- This control may continue while is in .
-Technology is used to control/spy on our bank accounts, what payments we do, who to, in an effort to minimize tax evasion, although people who wish to do so find alternative routs.
-Digitigation of currencies, paying/buying by credit cards, crypto money currencies are supposed to influence all transactions and we are already experiencing this.
-In some countries, digital ID cards are employed, my country included to prevent identity thefth. In all probability this trend will become more widely used.
-Another idea is about virtual reality being used to connect people around the globe. Virtual reality is already used for entertainment purposes and I wonder what direction this will follow and how this will affect human relationships. Think of a room full of family members each before a different screen having different experiences! Will even sexual intercourse be part of such virtual reality in the future? I choose to have sex with an X celebrity in virtual reality, while having sex with my partner?! Quite shocking, isn´t it? How this may influence our relationships. Alright, maybe I took this too far!

iris70 » Graham Yes, Graham, climate change, a huge topic with such instability t in resources .
Most countries invest on renewable resources, but the demand for more energy increases too, as we become more and more energy-greedy! (A new word, I have just made up, if I am allowed)
Energy-saving appliances and machines too!

Climate change! We are in winter, half way through it and in my country the winter is so mild we hardly need a coat to wear when we go out! How will this affect harvest? How much we deplete water resources? Are under water cities a possible future habitat for us? I wonder!

Graham » iris70 "Are under water cities a possible future habitat for us? I wonder!"
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Interesting idea ... Perhaps 2025-2038 Neptune in Aries?

In the UK, the increasing summer temperatures are now a real threat to our homes ... There were a couple of days in 2022 when several houses (and many areas of uncultivated grassland) were ignited by the heat of the Sun.

Graham » iris70 " I choose to have sex with an X celebrity in virtual reality, while having sex with my partner?! Quite shocking, isn´t it? How this may influence our relationships. Alright, maybe I took this too far!"
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I think I may now need to have a lie down.

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There were a couple of days in 2022 when several houses (and many areas of uncultivated grassland) were ignited by the heat of the Sun.
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I think I may now need to have a lie down.
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That was inspired by an old film with Sandra Bullock; not my idea!

iris70 » iris70 Back to the chart of .
In the ingress chart we have DC. The 7th covers relationships with other countries and it is to the people.

Maybe there is a change in relationships between nations, maybe today´s liaisons between nations disappear for new ones to replace them. Corruption and what lay hidden may be exposed in such groups. The nations we consider now to be *allies* may become *enemy* countries, or the other way round. The change may involve groups of nations too. This appears rather uncomfortable to the people, may bring crisis and fear .
takes us into a process of *pruning* in order to regenerate into something new.
Nations with a strong signature in their charts is expected to be in for such changes. China has n , Ukraine has , my country, Greece has both the and , The USA has an , I do not know which chart to choose for many countries, though. There can be changes in confederation of nations/states too, if there is a strong . / emphasis in their natal chart.

iris70 » iris70 Hi again!:)
Below is the second ingress of on 21st January 2024.

Thoughts welcome!

iris70 » iris70 We also need this:
(Thoughts are welcome!)

Vera blue » Graham Good evening, could you please explain to me why you΄ve chosen this Harmonic in particular?

Graham » iris70 "Thoughts welcome!"
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When presented with a chart containing interceptions ... I will always hypothesise that "the positive qualities of the intercepted signs (and any planets within them) will be ´locked away´ until the issue involving the houses with the same sign on their start + end cusps (and any planets in them) has been resolved".

So ... in this chart ... an issue in the 1st+7th houses (involving Jupiter and Uranus) will adversely affect the 2nd+8th houses in a way that (until resolved) will prevent the positive qualities of Sagittarius, Gemini, Moon and Venus from being used effectively/"appropriately".

Graham » Vera blue "Please explain to me why you΄ve chosen this Harmonic in particular?"
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I am assuming that you refer here to the 17th Harmonic Chart posted in my reply on January 15, 2023 at 14:53.

The 17th Harmonic Chart derivative (of the 1st Pluto ingress Chart) is where Venus, Jupiter and Neptune "come together"/make a conjunction. ... Thus, in the Natal Chart, Venus-Jupiter-Neptune are "working/manifesting together" to create a 17th Harmonic behavioural pattern.

Astro-Seek.com » iris70 System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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I don´t think we need technology for that. The exact moment we decide to stop being empathic and leave the present moment, we disconnect from others, from the World and also from ourselves.

I can have sex with someone and think about someone else, with or without technology. I can disconnect myself right now from my family during a conversation if I am thinking that I have to go to the supermarket, to work, to cook or to some other activity that I have to do in a couple of hours.

Technology is just another mirror of who we are/what we do. We can think of it as a tool that amplifies the ´darkness/shades´ of people.

I think it would be interesting to include in these discussions that if they ´control´ us through technology it is because we allow them to. Now it is with technology only because we have it. Tomorrow it may be another tool.

Everything we ´have to´ live and don´t like is because we allow it. What we live is our responsibility. It seems (somehow) that we are living the same as in other times but with other tools and more amplified..... But the essence is the same, don´t you think?

What have we done to get to ´this situation´? How could Pluto in Aquarius help us to ´improve´?

Vera blue » Graham Thank you!!And what is the 17th behavioural pattern? Excuse my asking but my whole chart is being activated on this day