Pluto in Aquarius - Discussions, questions

iris70 » s81 Thank you, dear for your input, I agree with you!

Graham » Hylonome "Is it possible "to rebel in a socially acceptable way"?
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Yes. ... The key is to rebel quietly-and-unobtrusively, rather than in a way that might cause embarrassment for the other person. ... For example, we can make our feelings/views and concerns known via a one-to-one discussion in the private office of our workplace manager rather than expressing them in an open office containing (say) 30 of his/her team members.

Astro-Seek.com » Graham System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Oh, this makes me reflect... I always thought about being rebel as someone that "makes noise" (let´s call it this way) to express their ideas, that are usually amazing, different, new, "modern", etc etc. A social idea rather than an own idea, I start to think... I went to the dictionary to read the definition and in fact, it never talks about "making noise".

Can we conclude that a rebel person is who express what he thinks/feels when the other person thinks/feels different to him -something like "assertiveness"?

iris70 » Graham Υes and no!
If we wish to derive more info about how t will play out in the chart of a certain country/prominent individual/institution/Union etc then we need to either calculate the chart using the coordinates of that location, or a bi-wheel of the country etc with transits around/the ingress chart outside.

In general, Mundane astrologers use this location, as it describes not only what may take place in the UK-why would I use such a chart? I don´t come from the UK- but worldwide events, as Greenwich is the location the 1st meridian passes.

I have t my n

Graham » Hylonome "Can we conclude that a rebel person is who express what he thinks/feels when the other person thinks/feels different to him -something like ´assertiveness´?"
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An assertive person is able to rebel EFFECTIVELY (which, amongst other things, requires him/her to do so in a socially acceptable way).

An aggressive or aquiescant person rebels INEFFECTIVELY (since neither does so in a socially acceptable way).

Graham » iris70 "If we wish to derive more info about how t will play out in the chart of a certain country/prominent individual/institution/Union etc then we need to either calculate the chart using the coordinates of that location, or a bi-wheel of the country etc with transits around/the ingress chart outside.

In general, Mundane astrologers use this location, as it describes not only what may take place in the UK-why would I use such a chart? I don´t come from the UK- but worldwide events, as Greenwich is the location the 1st meridian passes."
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Astro-Seek.com » Graham System message: Post has been written by user Hylonome, who already deleted profile on this website:
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I take note and change the idea I had about "being rebel". Thank you

iris70 » iris70 is an important planet, as it has been suggested, being .
Although is in Domicile , which is good, is still present in .
has already caused a lot of turmoil concerning resources, their depletion, how this influences both the environment and economy/markets, bringing terrible instability and uncertainty, as energy costs soaring increase all prices. So there is much thought on the subject and some available solutions are renewable energy resources/cheap energy through the use of nuclear fusion technology, which produces great amounts of energy, at a low price, once the facilities are set, although this involves high risks. It appears that our transition to new energy resources will be bumpy and it will be a topic of focus.
is also related to radical change in the banking system/currencies, there is a talk about global currencies, crypto -currencies etc what is related to Banks/banking system, our transactions that become more and more digital . There is also unrest about how major corporations, governments, banks, institutions, and stock markets handle wealth . We are realizing that change is inevitable and that those who cannot keep up with IT technology are/will soon considered almost illiterate!

It is good that and has ended, but God almighty! is unaspected, so extremely powerful! No wonder it co-rules DC and our topic is t . is much more about technology and what has already been covered. It is also about what is considered unconventional, unusual and it rules over people who may alienate themselves from society.be alienated by society being unorthodox/unconventional. Maybe issues concerning sexual orientation and minorities become a focus, so that their issues are made public to be resolved/be more fairly treated by society raising public awareness.

Jesus! is unaspected too! I hadn´t seen this! So issues are extra highlighted issues related to women and if fairly treated-absolutely not in large portions of this planet-I hope this will help change some of these societies and the way they treat women, of course is about arts, music, theater etc, whatever that offers pleasure, food intake too, being in , whether this can cover the needs of all people, definitely finances too! I assume that there will be more uprisings like the one people experience currently in Iran.

Unaspected planets, and here, waver between two extremes of expression: it can either be hardly noticeable, or is so dominant that their issues become of paramount importance.
Unbelievably, is unaspected too! What one can discover, when focusing on details!!
is in 10th, so prominent. is about the church, judges, philanthropic movements, nobility, it may bring good fortune, but here it is , so there is uncertainty and weakness in themes. is about strong philosophical /religious or political beliefs, morality, higher education, traveling, what broadens our consciousness, which are of major importance in the new era that is coming, bringing new ideas , ideologies to replace what no longer works for us.

Well, there is more to say about in 7th/ DC. And a lot more about , but...later!

ASTRSEEK Admin, Petr9 » iris70 Υes and no!
If we wish to derive more info about how t will play out in the chart of a certain country/prominent individual/institution/Union etc then we need to either calculate the chart using the coordinates of that location, or a bi-wheel of the country etc with transits around/the ingress chart outside.
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Hi Iris,

that´s what I actually tried to point out in my previous post - to compare/relate the ingress with the particular country´s chart
(when I suggested to "not use" houses ... to avoid confusion)



In general, Mundane astrologers use this location, as it describes not only what may take place in the UK-why would I use such a chart? I don´t come from the UK-

"but worldwide events, as Greenwich is the location the 1st meridian passes".
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Yes
But also no - Greenwich, UK politically adapts British Daylight Saving Time - and so part of the year - Greenwich, UK is +1 hour ahead of Greenwich GMT


"why would I use such a chart?"
... or another philosophical question

"why should I use coordinates of a city which doesn´t follow worldwide GMT time - for worldwide astrology? ... and whose northern geo latitude shifts Ascendant significantly?"

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since it´s still Mercury Rx

3rd variant of Pluto Ingress chart - at 12:24 UT/GMT at 0°0´N, 0°0´E coordinates

(ASC is significantly moved from Leo back to Cancer; MC remains almost the same)

Graham » iris70 "Unaspected planets, and here, waver between two extremes of expression: it can either be hardly noticeable, or is so dominant that their issues become of paramount importance.
Unbelievably, is unaspected too!"
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Harmonic astrology can help here ... enabling us to identify the specific harmonic charts in which Venus, Jupiter and Uranus make non-Ptolemaic aspects to other planets. ... Thus, we can see the specific behavioural traits that 3 planets will express.

https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/h…

For example, the posted chart below is the 17th Harmonic Chart for the 12:24pm Greenwich chart ... where Venus, Jupiter and Neptune "come together" in a conjunction. Hence**, in the natal chart, these 3 planets are working together to produce the behavioural trait of "rebelliousness, subversiveness, campaigning for change" [** From Harmonic Astrology In Practice, by David Hamblin] ... and being helped with that by natal Sun, and (a Uranus/SN influenced) natal Mars.

Cathy715 Yeah!!! So nice to see this post from you Iris Thank you!! This is actually the first time I´m really looking at the chart of the Pluto Ingress into Aquarius I was so focused on Pluto that I totally forgot the date was near the Spring Equinox. That´s a lot of Aries energy!!

iris70 » Graham ======================
Harmonic astrology can help here ... enabling us to identify the specific harmonic charts in which Venus, Jupiter and Uranus make non-Ptolemaic aspects to other planets. ... Thus, we can see the specific behavioural traits that 3 planets will express.

https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/h…

For example, the posted chart below is the 17th Harmonic Chart for the 12:24pm Greenwich chart ... where Venus, Jupiter and Neptune "come together" in a conjunction. Hence**, in the natal chart, these 3 planets are working together to produce the behavioural trait of "rebelliousness, subversiveness, campaigning for change" [** From Harmonic Astrology In Practice, by David Hamblin] ... and being helped with that by natal Sun.
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Well, my knowledge on Harmonic charts is quite limited. I would suggest that-I may be wrong-that the 17th harmonic is about some creative skill (5+7). It´s been some years since I studied the matter and not in real depth, although other astrologers use it much more extensively.
It is interesting that are . Doesn´t that indicate creativity and inspiration? The combination of planets makes me think of this.
Of course, it appears you know better...

Have you seen Harmonics being used in Mundane ingress charts before? Of course, an ingress chart can be the birth of an entity and that is why we study it.

Thank you for your interest and contribution in this topic. I was wondering if anyone would be interested...

iris70 » Cathy715 Hi Cathy!

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That´s a lot of Aries energy!!
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Indeed! I am trying to unscramble it!

I hope to open more posts in the future. Maybe something about eclipses, or on Lunations. We´ll see...The point is whether there is interest in such threads, like in AStro. I intend to give it a try and see. If only PT was here too...

ASTRSEEK Admin, Petr9 » iris70 I used the Astroseek chart on the 1st place, because it was easier for me to post it here. Oh, Gosh!
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Iris - btw you can change your posts anytime here!


Edit topic > Reupload different image

12:24 - Greenwich, UK

ASTRSEEK Admin, Petr9 » Petr9 or use the chart from Astrodienst (you just have to upload it first to imgbb.com - and then share the link)

Graham » iris70 "My issue is that I do not consider myself to be a Mundane astrologer to know if/ when to experiment and to what point. My experience on the Mundane field is limited. I just opened this thread, as I thought that it should exist. Therefore, I prefer to do what others do, as it feels safer."
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We (members of this forum) do not have any in-depth knowledge of Mundane Astrology ... However, many enjoy the "finding of our feet" involved in learning about an area of astrology that is currently unfamiliar to us.

Hence, by starting this thread, you are inviting members here to "learn something new" ... and we will happily embrace the opportunity to do so. BUT, you´ll need to bear in mind that our fact-finding questions are generated by our lack of knowledge-and-experience rather than by our expertise.

And ... as more threads on Mundane Astrology start appearing on the Astro-seek forum ... the more likely it becomes that expert Mundane astrologers will join the forum to teach us what they know.

iris70 » Graham ====================
And ... as more threads on Mundane Astrology start appearing on the Astro-seek forum ... the more likely it becomes that expert Mundane astrologers will join the forum to teach us what they know.
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That would be awesome! However, I do not really trust teaching one another! Everyone expresses views in all forums and nobody corrects what is written.
There are few *professional* astrologers joining such forums and interested in teaching. The best thing one can do is start reading books from well-known Astrologers and start from scratch; this is how I have learned and all amateur astrologers I know.
However, since we do not know it all and we are still learning, there can still be mistakes. Reading and trying to learn from what is posted may circulate misconceptions and this is what I had to deal with as well. I no longer trust what Astrologers write as to learn from it. It is all just views! You know that!

Graham » iris70 "I no longer trust what Astrologers write as to learn from it. It is all just views! You know that!"
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I do indeed know that. ... Some 12 years ago, I asked a well-known professional astrologer to explain why he had stated something in his published book (with which another forum member had disagreed). ... His answer was "I no longer believe that" - and yet, his book was still being sold (without any attempt having being made by him to amend the statement that he no longer believed in).

Lonerose99 Reading the rest of the thread past where I was earlier posting, I now know why GMT is used for many things! 😯 Worldwide, I see! It is the first place an aspect becomes exact, is that correct?

Graham » iris70 Hi iris.

I see you have posted the Astro-seek 12:24pm chart ... and I have checked it against the 12:24pm Astro.com chart. The two charts are close enough to identical for either of them to be used on your thread here.

Do you want to now "clean up" the thread ... by deleting the comments/discussion about the exact UT/GMT time of Pluto´s ingress to Aquarius?

ASTRSEEK Admin, Petr9 » Graham Hi Graham,

I re-uploaded that chart on Iris request (she is still learning technical features here)



Do you want to now "clean up" the thread ... by deleting the comments/discussion about the exact UT/GMT time of Pluto´s ingress to Aquarius?
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Let Iris decide :)

Graham » iris70 "Have you seen Harmonics being used in Mundane ingress charts before?"
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No. ... But that does not mean that Harmonics cannot be used in Mundane Charts.
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"It is interesting that are . Doesn´t that indicate creativity and inspiration? The combination of planets makes me think of this."
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We should use the Mundane Astrology meanings of these planets. For example, those attributed to them at http://skyscript.co.uk/ingresses.ht…

Thus, given what is currently happening "on the ground" in the UK, I´d expect Jupiter = the nation´s wealth : Venus = the nations families : Neptune = socialism/left-wing politics ... Hence, we currently have runaway inflation : families experiencing hardship due to inflation and nationwide strikes (to "bring down the right-wing government).
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In Harmonic Astrolgy In Practice, David Hamlin hypothesises that the 17th Harmonic Aspect = rebelliousness, subversiveness and campaigning for change ... which is indeed currently happening in the UK (due to the increasing financial hardship being experienced by the people).

Hence, the conjunction of Venus/Jupiter/Neptune in the 17th Harmonic Chart does seem to fit with what is actually happening in the UK.

iris70 » Lonerose99 Lorenose, Hi
GMT? Do you mean Greenwich? It is the first meridian that passes from there. All Mundane astrologers use that as location for world events, as it is thought that it influences the whole world.
However, if someone wishes to study how a global event, an ingress chart of...say Pluto will affect a particular area they use a place closer to them. If the Astrologer comes from Australia and so is her audience, she uses Sydney, Canberra etc.

Lonerose99 » iris70 Yes! A very delayed ah-hah moment for me 😄
Delayed because of the time spent studying astrology. It´s been since 1980 truth be told...pick it up, put it down, etc. I´m just
a lay person who has astro as a hobby. The
older I get, the more time I have, until now
a senior with a lot of time. 😄
Anyway, carry on and between you and
Graham´s conversation on what time of day to use, thanks for the insight. 🙂

Graham » iris70 "On a personal level, those with planets/angles in will be affected the most, as is the strongest aspect suggesting huge transformation of the planet/themes that concern the angle he t will influence. Also, check the house(s) this planet rules, as you can expect major changes in thse areas.

[if your chart is accurate, Graham ... n MC!
Any take on how it may manifest? Do you work? Are you in IT, or you use it for your job?]"
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On her "outer planet transits" thread at
https://forum.astro-seek.com/topic/… ... Lainie/Linda Harris has advised me to look at the Saturn and Jupiter transits (to my natal chart) rather than transit Pluto - since the latter makes no NEW aspects when it enters Aquarius.

And, she has opened that thread to point out that Pluto moves too slowly for it to be anything other than a background influence on the life of any individual. [For example, in our ingress timing discussion here, we discovered that it will take 22+ clock-hours for Pluto to move through the first arc-second of Aquarius.]

In my (Astrodienst) natal chart ... Sun is at 27Scorpio41, Chiron is at 29Scorpio29, Uranus is at 29Gemini45 and the MC is at 29Gemini56. The within-one-degree-orb Pluto transit dances over those degrees from 4th April 2021 to 3rd December 2025 ... during which many events will happen in my life that are triggered by progressions and transits from planets other than Pluto - BUT the Pluto transit activation of my natal Sun-Jupiter-Uranus-MC will be a background influence (providing an opportunity to learn the Pluto-lesson "promised" by that natal chart configuration).

Hence, my mother died when transit Pluto was conjunct my natal Sun in 1994, but that transit was too slow to have "created"/been-the-astrological-indicator of her 16th February death. [That was more likely triggered by transit Sun at 27AquariusXX, square natal Sun at 27Scorpio41.] ... However, her death "awakened" me to the realisation that I was "a product of my childhood and adolescent conditioning" (which "transformed" my way of interacting with "the outside world").