Pluto in Aquarius - Discussions, questions

cubic » iris70 "Below I am posting the chart of the World wide web. Needless to stress the power of in . What started then was *destined* to be awfully powerful so as to control/manipulate to obtain the goals of those in power, whose identities were/are/will be kept secret. I wish to predict something positive about it, but deep down, I am afraid I agree with you!"

I disagree. It wasn´t destined.

It´s just that anything ever created under the sun becomes corrupted and used for power gains and games ultimately.

Lot of posters in this thread, and not only - in general anywhere seem to be under the impression that somehow at some point we´ve deviated from the "smurf village" ideal - some kind of "good state" of society where people in power didn´t use any means possible to retain their positions, and gobble up even more power over the population.

We humans are predators, and other humans are more often the prey than wild animals nowadays, and the predatory class actively maintains narratives to deny this, because then it´s easier for them to have you.

Hell, it´s even in our cosmology. We have deception with Neptune, we have manipulation and sneakiness with Pluto - the deep power that is in the shadows. So yeah, it´s ordained by GOD that we´re manipulative, predatory and deceptive. It´s everywhere all the time. It´s just difficult or it makes one lose advantage over others to talk about it too openly.

Lol...

spung » iris70 I don´t want to imagine what it might mean, it just got me on reflecting how easy it becomes to change a definition of life or a human being and how scary it is. Since I´m on kind of friendly terms with both Aquarian and Plutonic energies, it was difficult to imagine their darkest shadow potential.

On the opposite side of that I do see the potential for the new understanding of what unconditional love is and what being human means, so I tend to see everything through those glasses.

Thank you Iris for your concern, that´s a good idea indeed, with the check up

spung » Lagu I´m not sure what you are implying here, that´s not what I wrote. I referred to images and symbols.

iris70 » cubic Cubic,
I do not understand how you put it. Are you implying that all astrologers predict a boost in technology/science with the coming , because there is some kind of scheme that makes all Astrologers around the world predict the same thing, as to emphasize the importance of technology, using brainwashing techniques to disconnect people from some senses and lead people to meaninglessness, as you say?

I have explained why I said what I did, so if you really claim this, I wonder if I should be insulted, or if there is something very wrong here...

iris70 » cubic Quote from Cubic:
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For drastic changes like these we need drastic and pervasive misery, that we can barely imagine where we are now.

So no, we don´t have (yet) the grounds for rehvolution.

If Pluto manages to initially smash over enough of society´s delivery infrastructures, while the Dems somehow magically get re-elected and continue ripping the whole world off and making insane decisions plunging us deeper into the miser, then maybe. But damn the USA is so rich, it´s difficult, there is a lot of dough to steal.
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Cubic, I never referred to the USA, or it´s politics and not everything revolves around the USA! Calm down a bit!
is a global event, it will affect all humans.
Is there anything else you haven´t understood? Please, read from start and tell me how you got these ideas...
And calm down, before posting...

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Hell, it´s even in our cosmology. We have deception with Neptune, we have manipulation and sneakiness with Pluto - the deep power that is in the shadows. So yeah, it´s ordained by GOD that we´re manipulative, predatory and deceptive. It´s everywhere all the time.
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I do not wish to talk about GOD in this thread. I also feel that humans evolve and we are not made by God to be manipulative, deceptive etc, but to Spiritually evolve. This is my personal belief, which is irrelevant to the topic of the thread, that people, at least some, choose to improve themselves and not get stuck on lower insticts of primitive beings. Humans can be compassionate, emotional, protective, affectionate etc if they choose to. Many of us are!

cubic » iris70 Eeheh, whats with the exaggerated and hysterical calls for calmness, where do you read I wasn´t calm? I´m puzzled. I´m a little ranty and critical about spiritual stuff as usual, so don´t be so frail. I guess you don´t find clarity in my way of communication, neither I find clarity in yours. At least it´s mutual.

But if you want to be super pedantic you´ll not understand what I´m saying as it´s zoomed out generalities, not absolutes.

Anyway carry on, whoever understood, understood.

Admittedly I haven´t tracked the whole thread, but I´ve seen enough of these talks on the forum over the years, so I´m addressing repetitive patterns of beliefs in the spiritual community.

It´s just that I don´t believe any transit will bring some kind of higher thinking and establishment of truth, in the predatory-political class. I find that highly utopic.

During Aquarius there could be more supervision than usual, but that would be it, from then on for the rest of the time Pluto is in other signs it will be business as usual.

All this talk about compassion - again look at the significatoins of Pluto. Power is combined with manipulation, secretiveness etc. We all have it in our charts. One has to keep denying ever engaging in any of these behaviours or them not being part of human nature itself.

cubic » iris70 The gain and use of power isn´t low. Power just is. it doesn´t have to be all the time negative. One can use manipulation and deception to protect one´s self. Would you be sincere and compassionate if faced by thugs at a gunpoint?

That´s probably the worst implicit belief that one absorbs from reading spiritual material - that power is bad, and that it opposes being a good human being.

Yeah I suppose I don´t care to virtue signal as compassionate person on a spiritual journey to higher realms of essentially fantasy.

sim » iris70 Here is the best write-up I have read so far on Pluto in Aquarius

https://rosemarcus.com/pluto-in-aqu…

iris70 » sim Sim,:)
Thank you for this extraordinary article!
I re-post it!

https://rosemarcus.com/pluto-in-aqu…

sim » iris70 Perhaps the end of the article is a bit naff

´The most threatening prospect we face is the action or non-action of humankind.´
Do damned if we do or damned if we don´t. I am not sure what the sentence means.

Graham » sim "The most threatening prospect we face is the action or non-action of humankind.´
So damned if we do or damned if we don´t. I am not sure what the sentence means."
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Does it not mean ... "listen carefully to the message of cubic/those urging eyes-open caution"? ... [However unpalatable that message might be.]

Hence the following interpretation of Sabian Symbol Aquarius1 (which will manifest positively or negatively, depending upon the action/non-action of humankind):

"AN OLD ADOBE MISSION IN CALIFORNIA
This Symbol shows a safe and comfortable place to live, work, pray and practice our spiritual lives. The “Old Adobe Missions” were built with a great deal of effort, sacrifice, commitment, and a sense of community with one eye on the path and the other on the very real everyday needs of the people it serves. Sometimes we assume our beliefs are right and that others need to be shown the truth. Efforts should be turned to creating infrastructures to pursue these beliefs. Relating is not about control, but acceptance and reverence of each person’s divinity. There should be no pretensions, but a forging of links to new worlds.

(If positive) Withdrawing. Spiritual retreat. Natural surroundings. Creating civilizations out of natural elements. Finding places to work with spirit. Sanctuaries and learning. Houses. Centers.

(If negative) Dogmatism. Pushing one’s beliefs and ideas. Having ‘all the answers’. Moving in. Taking over. Monuments to the past. Cults. Indoctrination. Chiefs. Indians."
https://sabiansymbols.com/symbols/


EDITED AT 6am UT on 2nd March 2023 ... To add:

It might be useful to review the mundane astrology predictions for the ingress of Pluto to Capricorn. ... Was it the positive or the negative interpretation of the Sabian Symbol for Capricorn 1 that was being predicted? And which of them actually turned out to be the dominant manifestation of Pluto in Capricorn?

Graham » iris70 "Starting a discussion about what to events this is likely to trigger. .......... I feel that humans evolve and we are not made to be manipulative, deceptive etc, but to Spiritually evolve."
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Have mundane astrologers considered how Pluto is currently "raising the profile, presence and awareness" of Mundane Astrology on astrology forums ... and has (perhaps) been doing so throughout its passage through Capricorn?

My guess is that we will see an increasing decline of interest in other branches of astrology (by all students of astrology) and an increasing interest in Mundane Astrology (particularly by those under the age of 30) ... because it CAN provide insight upon "how to save the planet", which no other branch of astrology is able to match.

However ... fledgling astrolgers may not have the confidence to participate on the mundane astrology boards of forums other than astro-seek, because (currently) these tend to be places where novices might "fear to tread". [And perhaps involve discussions of matters that are of little interest to a younger generation facing the now-all-too-close-to-home consequences of climate change.]

iris70 » Graham Ηι Graham,:)
I agree that in the recent decades there is an increased interest in astrology, but I think this is because Astrology is boosted by computer technology that is available to everyone-almost-; we no longer have to do so many complicated calculations to get a chart, let alone calculate midpoints and different charts synastries/composites/Solar Arcs/you name it! It´s amazing how easily we get access to any charts, for example in this site-thank you, @Petr-so all we have to do is ask someone else with charts in hand, or open an astrology book, or two. So much info/power at our finger tips!

I agree that there is an increasing interest in Mundane issues, but that is because more and more people can "do" astrology now. I feel that people will always concentrate more on their personal issues, though, because it is what personally interests them, their problems. The topics may change from " will I get married" to "will I get a pay-rise", because people/societies change.

What I have seen is that now that is on the last degrees of , terrible earthquakes take place, other disasters, causing too much death and it is always those ruling that are to blame, the public dissatisfaction rising, as we are getting soon in territory. I hope we don´t get more earthquakes, being so powerful now at 29+ and other disasters.

Graham » iris70 "I agree that there is an increasing interest in Mundane issues, but that is because more and more people can "do" astrology now. I feel that people will always concentrate more on their personal issues, though, because it is what personally interests them, their problems. The topics may change from " will I get married" to "will I get a pay-rise", because people/societies change."
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My guess is that, as Pluto passes through Aquarius, the impact of climate change will become a personal interest for all of us.

And THAT is why the action or inaction of humans is a crucial factor in predicting how Pluto-in-Aquarius will actually manifest. For example, will people choose to "escape" from confronting the issues that threaten their survival by continuing to focus upon issues such as (say) the relationship between the UK´s King Charles III and Henry (his youngest son)?

JesseZX » cubic [replying to your other post as well]


>"astrologers tap into popular cultural tropes and sentiments for views. They don´t give a fuck, or are silly commoners-bots. Or maybe they cannot see anything else."

it seems that for every lie that is told which makes an institution look good, that lie also makes aquarius look good. so if an astrologer believes in the lies of big institutions and governments, that astrologer will also believe aquarius is a good sign (i.e. they´ll forget that it´s ruled by saturn). this happens because the two things (aquarius and ´big institutions´) are very similar and they must share some of the same neural pathways in the brain.

an example would be some big aquarian thing like a multinational humanitarian organization that is saturnian because of how it likes to impose new rules, and uranusian because it wants to change the status quo.
one of its allies (e.g. the news media) says that this organization is concerned with social welfare rather than regulating people, and that it´s progressive rather than subversive.
when all the real-world manifestations of aquarius are influenced by propaganda to make them look good, aquarius itself ends up looking better as a result.



>"Or this future technological ExPloSioN is this forever dangling carrot"

that seems likely. or maybe a desperate hope that people have, since they can´t foresee anything else good on the horizon - so hoping for new technology to fix all the problems is kind of like sitting idle while praying to god that everything gets fixed.
not that there´s nothing good on the horizon, but modern people just don´t know what´s good.


>I think the revolution is another forever-expectancy the Americans seem to have

i don´t have any faith that people can organize as some sort of hivemind thing, no matter how bad things get. if things do get to a certain level of bad, there may be anarchy and whatnot but that´s not a revolution. i think people would be too busy worrying about their immediate survival to care about overthrowing a government or whatever.
people need leadership or some form of organization in order to have a "revolution", no matter how much ´revolutionary spirit´ there is.
there´s always grounds for revolution - as long as there´s a sufficient will for it. but just as easily, there can be a lack of revolutions if there is not a sufficient organization or will for it, no matter how easy or likely the revolution may seem.

JesseZX two more predictions for pluto in aquarius:

1) the international astronomical union (iau) are the ones who decided that pluto is not a planet. because this is an international council, and for a few other reasons, it is an entity that is largely within the realm of aquarius. if pluto desires vengeance against these people then he will have his chance when he arrives in that realm.

2) change in public perception of bottled water. possible government regulations regarding bottled water.

nik$Nite89 Holy camoly. It´s going to oppose my Leo Moon. And then it´s going to square my Venus in Scorpio.

iris70 » JesseZX Hi Jess,:)
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1) the international astronomical union (iau) are the ones who decided that pluto is not a planet. because this is an international council, and for a few other reasons, it is an entity that is largely within the realm of aquarius. if pluto desires vengeance against these people then he will have his chance when he arrives in that realm.
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Where have you read this? Do you mean Astronomers say so?

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The International Astronomical Union (IAU) downgraded the status of Pluto to that of a dwarf planet because it did not meet the three criteria the IAU uses to define a full-sized planet.
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Astrologers still consider very much of a planet.

iris70 » nik$Nite89 T will first your n , then n and after years will n .
We all get harsh aspects. I have an in 6th and will soon enter my 6th. I assume some health issues, but until then I have a life to live!

nik$Nite89 » iris70 Thank you!

sim I will be glad when Pluto moves off my natal sun into Aquarius, it has been a heavy period ´feet of clay´, with Pluto opp my natal moon and uranus. If I am not mistaken, Mars will move into cancer at about the time Pluto moves into Aquarius, so there may be a new energy altogether.

As this is a mundane thread, I wonder what will happen concerning the Russia/Ukraine war around that date. I would expect a change of tactic or strategy. I hope this will mean more focus on diplomacy, but the charts have to be looked at carefully. The war will continue to impact on us personally, as well as globally.

cubic » JesseZX Awesome. That´s what I´m talking about. Genius level posting.

cubic "Silicon Valley Bank (SVB) was a commercial bank headquartered in Santa Clara, California. SVB was the 16th largest bank in the United States at the time of failure and the biggest in Silicon Valley...

On March 10, 2023, after a bank run on its deposits, it failed and was taken into receivership by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation in the second-largest bank failure in American financial history"

"the second-largest bank failure in American financial history"

Well that is quite super relevant - Sillicon Valley, tech sector turns out was quite dependant on it, so quite a lot of companies might go bust next. Lots of startups will be destroyed due to not be able to pay their employees the next month(s).

So Pluto does NOT dissapoint. Jesus F. Christ this thing WORKS

Let´s see if this will cause contagion and the stock market is next. Orange man promised 1928 level extinction event if the leftie dummies are in charge while this occurs. Orange man has great record of accurate predictions.

iris70 » cubic Thanks, Cubic, I didn´t know!!
When Lehman Brothers collapsed in September 15th, 2008, t was at 28.30 getting ready to enter which took place on November 28, so a few months later. Now t is getting ready to enter . Is it a coincidence???
We all know what followed in 2008 after Lehman Brothers collapsed.

By the way, this is an article about Silicon Valley Bank.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/…

The graph says it all!

cubic » iris70 "Thanks, Cubic, I didn´t know!!"

Yeah it doesn´t seem to be all over the news like it should be, but it will be.

Definitely on purpose to delay/try to reduce the ensuing panic from spreading. Of course the bankruptcy was announced on Friday in addition, since there are 2 days off for the stock market/the banks on the weekend. It´s a classical move to buy up time. Monday might be the start of this financial crisis.