Anyone here feel defeated by Saturn in their chart? What your experience with Saturn? - Discussions,

HankScorpio 4H Libra Saturn 0° Cj Pluto
0° Sq Asc
3° Sx Neptune

Night chart

I was also born and raised on my Saturn/Pluto Sq Asc lines, but the Saturn Sq Asc line actually cuts through neighborhoods I grew up in, places I´ve worked, etc.

Grew up in poverty, had no real support, abusive family, issues with bullying and domination, and while I´ve always toed the line, I´ve had a lot of issues with authority figures (parents, teachers, bosses).

I feel like there´s a near-constant foot on my neck. I can never gather the resources or support necessary to move on.

Eros Arcano I have a very strong Saturn in my house1 and in Libra. I was a lonely child with a lot of mental maturity. Until I was 17 years old, I was very skinny and they always told me that I looked older. Since I was a child, I had a lot of gray hair and suffered from some skin diseases.

Even though Saturn is well aspected by Mars in my Radix, this planet seems to have caused me many delays in terms of life experiences: from starting to talk to having my first sexual relationship, marriage, and many other things, they were later in my case than in that of my contemporary friends, family or neighbors.

Currently things seem to have taken a radical turn: Many people consider me immature, I look a little younger than my age that I have, my hair is not gray as I always imagined, now I am robust and more dreamy than when I was younger.

My romantic relationships have been mostly with women older than me, let´s say 50% older, 30% my age and 20% younger. I attribute this to him part to Capricorn in my 5th house, but above all to my Juno conjunct Saturn in Libra.

My natal Saturn is semisquare to my North Node and Sesquisquare to my South Node, so I guess it´s a pivotal planet in my path.

As if that were not enough, currently my progressed Mars is in exact square vs my Natal Saturn. And my Solar Return Saturn will be in exact square my Natal Mars in three weeks.

Metaterrestrial I have a night chart, with Saturn ruling my 7th House (Capricorn).

- One-on-one relationships of all kinds have always been difficult, in that:

- My good relationships have always required a lot of work in order
to stay good, like pushing a boulder up a hill.

- My bad relationships don´t require much work in order to default to
a negative place, like entropy.

- During my most recent 7th House profection year, my relationship of over 6 years suddenly ended.

- My Saturn is mitigated by Venus, my sect benefic. So I guess things could be much worse.

- Saturn sits opposite my exalted Jupiter in Cancer (1st House), so it often feels like I sometimes get lucky with small things in my life (small amounts of money, small favors done by friends or strangers, etc.) but that luck is ultimately overwhelmed by restrictions in other areas (money problems in general, relationship problems, negative social environments, etc.)

So all in all, not a huge fan.

HellenisticAstro » Metaterrestrial Thank you Sir Materrestrial for sharing.

You have a good chart Sir, Exalted Jupiter in 1st house angular. Mars Domicile in his own house Succedent house. Saturn is Domicile in his own house angular. whoa.! 7th house Ruler right in 7th house.
Benefic Venus is in there, and host by a dignify Domicile Saturn in his own sign.

If you don´t mind me ask, how was your childhood is like, good? And how the relationship with you and your mom? In your adulthood, do you keep in touch with her?

HellenisticAstro And thank you Mrs HankScorpio, and Sir Eros Arcano both for sharing.

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IceSíckle is in opposition to my so restriction on emotional expression hasn´t been fun for me during my childhood

HellenisticAstro » IceSíckle Thank you Sir IceSickle for sharing.

And how was your Summer vacation Sir? I remember you had a thread where you say temporary goodbye as you want to get away from phones and electronic gadgets and just want to enjoy the natural scenery and the best of nature, a place where free of electronics during your vacation.

Happy to see you back Sir. Welcome back to the AS.! I´m sure all your friends here miss you.!

IceSíckle » HellenisticAstro It was great to recharge and get my mind more focused on the spiritual than the physical! Im glad to be back and talking about one of my favorite topics: Astrology!

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Waybread Saturn is my wisest teacher. His lessons are not a heap of fun, as they include patience, hard work, deferred gratification, and frugality. When we don´t learn Saturn´s lessons, we are prone to fear, shame, and guilt.

Back when I kept a dream journal, I dreamt that I was in a bare room near the top of a stone tower or castle, late at night. Though an unglazed window I could see the planet Saturn: huge, yellow, and unspeakably evil. Saturn was ready to come through the open window. I was terrified.

Then I realized that I was not alone. The room had an old wooden table or desk, with an old, bearded man in work clothes seated behind it. He was simply waiting to see what I would do. I recognized that the answer to fear was courage, so I stood my ground.

Then I awoke, but with the feeling that the old man was also Saturn: strict, tough, but also on my side.

Saturn tends to reward his apt pupils later in life. (Saturn rules old age.)

I have a night birth, with an out-of-sign Saturn in Virgo widely opposite my Aquarian sun. However, everyone with sun opposite Saturn has Saturn retrograde. By progression, Saturn is now opposite my sun, in-sign, and much closer by degree.

Traditionally Saturn was the planetary catch-all for most of the rotten things in life. Saturn rules shame, fear, and feelings of inadequacy.

But the good Saturn gives us strength and backbone to face up to life´s adversity. Saturn gives us self-discipline. Saturn doesn´t promise that we´ll be happy. He can give us the strength to face adversity when it happens.

BTW, I also have natal Pluto opposite sun. Saturn and Pluto are not conjunct but their midpoint opposes my sun within a degree. Pluto is another story.

I can only tell you, that you are stronger than you know.

HellenisticAstro Thank you Mrs. Waybread for sharing, appreciated, and your wisdom words.

Cancereverything Saturn in 11th house squaring all those Leo and Aquarius placement..

Also ruling my 7th house. Some say if you have Capricorn in 7th house "you will never get married"

Some say if you have 7th house ruler in 11th - where I can possibly meet the "one" is in a group of friends...

back to the topic: I think in my case its severe because trouble expressing my thoughts in words (square Mercury) and I never had any warm friendships. I often do feel isolated from the rest. I can ramble on forever about how people just seem like they don´t want to be friends with me. I think my Saturn return will come soon and I´m scared haha.

I think in some houses the effect is less for example in 12th and 4th. Thats just my opinion

Loneliness is something I used to struggle with before with people. Its one of my main problems in life, nobody seems to get me! I wish there was a way to make it more useful instead of being harsh -.-

HellenisticAstro Thank you for sharing Miss Cancereverything. Your still very young Miss and pretty, take your time to find the right one, it will save you alot of headache and heartache.

I don´t know about Saturn rule 7th house means no marriage, it not just the sign of the 7th house but also the planets in there.

I know a man who Cancer Asc 1st, Capricorn 7th house, with 4 planets Stellium in 7th including it Ruler Saturn Domicile in Capricorn, he married at 18, has 2 children, he is now retired, he has been married to his wife for 44 years, he is 62 now.

Zephyrin I have Saturn in Taurus in 5H... Conjunct Jupiter, trine Neptune and sextile Sun and Mars.

"I feel hella defeated by Saturn, but I still believe old man Saturn is still a "justice" planet."

This perfectly expresses how I feel about my Saturn placement. It fucked my life up with evil partners and left me completely hopeless about love, marriage and having children. I guess Taurus Saturn in 5H also brought me a chronic distrust against men and fondness for material goods such as furniture and nice clothes.

Not even sure if I gonna love my husband if I marry, but definitely gonna love my wedding dress...

I know there are other things negatively affecting the case but Saturn in 5H always seems like the actual villain in my chart.

The only good thing about my Saturn is perhaps making me artful in drawing but he also brought difficulties in art field which resulted as good. Otherwise, his reflections on personal life is hellish. If he really gives rewards -if any- after the shits he caused in our life, I haven´t seen it yet.

Waybread » Zephyrin I don´t think Saturn is the culprit. It is actually pretty well aspected, sextiling your Mars and making an out-of-sign sextile to your sun.

The 5th house rules your children (if any) and your leisure activities. What you do for fun, to recharge your batteries. Casual love affairs, flirting, and dating belong here; whereas a committed relationship such as living-together or marriage is a 7th house matter.

The 2nd house rules your material possessions. Venus in Leo would love beautiful things.

The most difficult part of your chart seems to be your sun involved in a T-square together with your moon and Neptune. Neptune tends to erase what it touches, so Neptune opposite sun can give you a big identity crisis. Who are you, really? Neptune doesn´t deal with reality, so it´s hard to know for sure.

Uranus rules sudden upsets, so Uranus opposite Venus can be hard on your relationships.

I´m not saying your life has been easy, but you´re young enough to recover from your difficulties so far. Some of them may have little to do with astrology.

See whether attention to Saturn´s lessons of structure in your life, patience, frugality, and hard work make a difference going forward.

With best wishes for your journey, W.

HellenisticAstro » Zephyrin I´m Hellenistic so I use Whole sign, you are 25 degrees Sagittarius Asc 1st house, your Saturn is 28 degrees Taurus sign, I considered that is a 6th house Saturn.
Plus
in Placidus your Saturn is close to 6th house, within 3 degrees that planet go to the next house, I still see it as a 6th house Saturn.
But that just me.

Thank you for sharing Miss Zephyrin, and btw, you are still so young, only 23 years old, you have a WHOLE life ahead of you Miss.

Sin11 Hello my saturn is in 7th house in scorpio conjunction with pluto in libra and opposite to ascendant and mercury amd mars. Because my saturn in 7th house i m older and did not marry it was better when in in my 5 th house is Leo it was easier to have relationships.But longterm relationships and in the case of marriage i couldnt be successful as much as i do in past. Saturn is in 1 degree 54 minutes i m expecting have a carmic relationship which i have now and conflicts are inevitable and cant find the balance between mind and soul maybe.

babymoll I have Capricorn rising with Saturn in my first house and as I approached my 27th birthday realizing I still felt stuck in a loop of the same mistakes and mishaps as I did when I was a teenager, I looked to astrology to help me make sense of the pattern of self imposed poverty and strife I kept playing out. I saw Saturn as a transformative energy I could work with and learn from, gaining strength from his wisdom he wanted to bestow on me. I had to be missing the message since I kept repeating the same patterns I thought.

All my life I had felt extremely depressed and alone, but deeper than that I knew I was to grow from that isolation and pain that came from generational family wounds and transform my family someday. I was the first born child in my family, and the oldest of four girls to a single mom and alcoholic father. I was the family therapist as much as I was the black sheep and in my heart all I wanted was to bring my family together and show them I was there for them. I always knew it was my destiny to someday become a mother and heal the lineage with my ability to give unconditional love (cancer moon, leo sun) and I felt that Saturn was urging me to begin preparing myself for that by leaning into what made me uncomfortable and going the extra mile. When I was young I let my mind run rampant with self pity as I was the black sheep, perpetually an outcast, bullied and I felt I was never seen clearly. I never wanted to have to work hard to achieve success or gain friends or suitors, I wanted things to come natural, and I do have many natural talents that bring me great reward but I was always down on myself for not having better resiliency and being a quitter. I also was never really getting anything I wanted, at least not for long. I might finally get a car or an apartment I wanted and get in an accident or get kicked out for not getting along with roommates shortly after. It was a terrible self defeating cycle, my leo sun telling me I can do/get anything with ease and I am a star and my cancer moon riddling me with anxiety and other overwhelming emotions that made me want to literally go curl up and die. For most of my life I had little to no real knowledge of astrology and only identified my Leo side, so I really felt like a loser that I could be this queen of the zodiac and feel like I was useless? A horrid feeling, I was constantly punishing myself for. I wasn´t following through on any of the hard lessons Saturn was trying to put me through for my betterment, I always took the easy way and relied on my leo stellium to support me through life effortlessly.

When I turned 27- a year I had anticipated my whole life long as I was born on the 27th, and the year of my Saturn return I found myself broken up from my long term live in boyfriend, trying to move home to go back to school, and feeling emotionally and relationally similar to when I was 17 still. I knew I needed to grow up, I went no contact with my mother for 2 and a half years to give us both the chance to work on ourselves and it was the hardest thing I ever had to do but I was flourishing like never before. I started taking every opportunity i could to challenge myself both emotionally and physically and I started to age in reverse. When I stopped running away from the hard
parts of life and hiding in my bedroom I opened up new parts of myself that were grounded and mature, embodying Saturn energy in all I did. Suddenly I felt like a child at heart, with a wise mind and a healthy inner parent to push me to do the right thing for myself. I saw this parent as Saturn and felt he was pleased with me for finally paying attention to the many many signs he sent me that I was on a stagnant track in life and that I was capable of much more. Now I enjoy the peace of mind that comes from knowing I pushed myself to be the best I can be, and I was rewarded with a beautiful family of my own the same week that transit Pluto hit my Capricorn ascendant after 15 years in my 12th house, changing my identity forever and turning me into a mother <3

JIN2 My Saturn is good as far as I can see.

However, it makes me to work hard and give tough lessions (really tough).

Cold in relations. Saturn transits over moon was very tough and now transiting to Ascendant. Always feels dissatisfaction from life.

Now, I really doubt if the saturn is good or bad in my chart?

Anna239 My Saturn is in aquarius so I don´t know if I understood what it has been up to

Cathy715 Considering Saturn is a malefic, it really hasn´t caused me too many problems. I tend to have a more difficult time with Jupiter transits or planet aspecting my natal Jupiter. It´s debillitated, in Capricorn, Rx, and only makes squares to Pluto and Moon. I actually seem to come out on the other side better after a Saturn transit than a Jupiter one.

Ellilunaa I have Saturn in my 1st house Leo conjunct my ascendant.

All my life I feel like I’m an old soul. I don’t exactly fit in with everyone, and I have a small group of friends. I keep my circle small and I like to protect my energy. I also keep to myself a lot, karma and responsibility play a huge part in my life especially in my identity and actions. Saturn on my ascendant does make me a very reserved, mature and responsible person. A lot of adults say that to me. I’m also seen as the ‘mother’ of my friend group, because they do see me as the most responsible and mature one of us Lol. I’m always teaching them something and they’ve learnt a lot of stuff through being my friend. I like to keep the friend group stable and in place and I feel like it gives me the logic and practical mind to really analyse situations, judge well and do the right thing. Especially when arguments pop up with my friends

I carry myself like I’m older even though I’m still young asf. People say I’m quiet sometimes. I tend to have a lot of self awareness, more than others. People either love or hate me.

I can be pessimistic too.. and I have the tendency to think I’m unattractive even when people tell me I’m beautiful, I’m not that insecure, but when I feel down in the dumps, i can REALLY feel bad about myself. My mother always tells me I’m so beautiful, but I sometimes just don’t believe her. But at the same time I do know how to be self confident, because of that Leo energy. Saturn just blocks it sometimes. I read that as I get older, it will get a lot better and I truly believe in that..

It’s like when my chart was chosen for me, my spirit guides were like here’s your glamorous Leo rising.. BUT with Saturn, deal with it HA

I have a resting b*tch face too.. Sometimes I can just look stern like that without realising.

I’d like to give credit to Saturn here for my strong bone structure too.

The urge to be independent is very strong within me. And in a way I’m more aware than others of right and wrong.

At times I have a hard time with self worth and being cold, despite my goofy and dramatic Leo Asc. Saturn here also gives me certain insecurities. But I know that as I get older, I will feel more youthful and life will become easier and I will know who I am in my identity.

Sometimes I feel defeated by Saturn, I wonder why the hell he decided to come ruin my life right here in my 1st house, one of the most important places in our charts.

Other times, I really just sit there and understand that this is my karma and I’m always protected by him and my ancestors.

But then again at the end of the day, Saturn is a generational planet and so everyone born in the same year as me who’s a Leo rising also has this, so I don’t feel alone. It still affects people differently though. My two best friends are actually Leo risings as well, so they have this placement. This is why I vibe so so well with them.

We’re just old old mature souls in a 17 year old girl’s body.

Waybread » babymoll Thanks for your inspiring post.

Saturn´s lessons are not easy, but they set you up for life as a mature person who can take what life throws at you.

There is no promise in anyone´s life that it will always turn out as we wish. Even someone with an "easy" chart will face difficult transits. Saturn´s lessons of patience and hard work help us to weather them.

I am curious as to how your Saturn return worked out.

Never forget that Leo is royalty. The princess or queen may be in exile, traveling incognito, but her birthright is always present.