Pluto in Aquarius - Discussions, questions

iris70 » Lonerose99 T will your pr on some profound level bringing transformation on some level, but since this is the Mundane section, I am not very into talking about personal charts. However, maybe you can tell us how you expect this to affect you.

iris70 » iris70 In the chart, it is interesting that both the Moon and are Out of bonds and appear, thus, to act independently, in a rebellious way and in that sense, the may also indicate the way the governments, those in power choose to impose law and order, is the army/the police- - going to be used/violence? against those protesting?- in 3rd-

wondering...

Lonerose99 Hi Iris! Having left off at pg 3, I finally got myself caught up on your thread here. The exchanges between you and Graham are much food for thought. I notice that 2nd ingress is close to the house cusps of my own chart, and the is an aspect I will continue to have through the progressed for it will also be entering around that time! I am inclined to think that that ingress will impact me more on a personal level than the 1st one in March of this year, do you think it would?

iris70 » Graham Thanks, Graham! :)
I love the way you put it and I agree! We will try to discuss this chart, however, this is a temporary chart, as the final will take place in the same year, 2024, on November 20th, which will be the final chart to try to read.

In the chart, we have ASC, which points to some transformation and financial relations with other countries.

and are in 7th, an angular house, so important, prominent, dealing with foreign affairs. is still in so there is still financial instability, related to resources/energy, also change in foreign affairs and bonds between nations?

being in 4th gives me the impression that the living conditions of the general populace isn´t easy, because of calamities (?)/financial restrictions. It is also a house related to crops and (food) production and since the 10th, this may affect those ruling.
No wonder the people are challenged by what is going on which is, according to my book, in the house of calamities like floods, earthquakes, cyclones, storms, accidents and epidemics the house of death and finances.
is intercepted in 2nd too and which may indicate cases of dishonesty, financial frauds and scandals-which may be kept in secret?-intercepted-, but the , the people, are very curious to find what is really going on, behind closed doors, involving finances-8th- because their living conditions are really bad and it is possible that they are interested in conspiracy theories spread in the net, but the point is who spreads these rumors and to what degree what is circulating is true. Is there manipulation of the public involved? It is interesting, for example, that the tightly so maybe there is manipulation used by those in power to control the public and their opinions.

, the chart ruler, is in 3rd of communication/information/means of transport.

Vera blue » Graham Thank you!!And what is the 17th behavioural pattern? Excuse my asking but my whole chart is being activated on this day

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I don´t think we need technology for that. The exact moment we decide to stop being empathic and leave the present moment, we disconnect from others, from the World and also from ourselves.

I can have sex with someone and think about someone else, with or without technology. I can disconnect myself right now from my family during a conversation if I am thinking that I have to go to the supermarket, to work, to cook or to some other activity that I have to do in a couple of hours.

Technology is just another mirror of who we are/what we do. We can think of it as a tool that amplifies the ´darkness/shades´ of people.

I think it would be interesting to include in these discussions that if they ´control´ us through technology it is because we allow them to. Now it is with technology only because we have it. Tomorrow it may be another tool.

Everything we ´have to´ live and don´t like is because we allow it. What we live is our responsibility. It seems (somehow) that we are living the same as in other times but with other tools and more amplified..... But the essence is the same, don´t you think?

What have we done to get to ´this situation´? How could Pluto in Aquarius help us to ´improve´?

Graham » Vera blue "Please explain to me why you΄ve chosen this Harmonic in particular?"
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I am assuming that you refer here to the 17th Harmonic Chart posted in my reply on January 15, 2023 at 14:53.

The 17th Harmonic Chart derivative (of the 1st Pluto ingress Chart) is where Venus, Jupiter and Neptune "come together"/make a conjunction. ... Thus, in the Natal Chart, Venus-Jupiter-Neptune are "working/manifesting together" to create a 17th Harmonic behavioural pattern.

Graham » iris70 "Thoughts welcome!"
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When presented with a chart containing interceptions ... I will always hypothesise that "the positive qualities of the intercepted signs (and any planets within them) will be ´locked away´ until the issue involving the houses with the same sign on their start + end cusps (and any planets in them) has been resolved".

So ... in this chart ... an issue in the 1st+7th houses (involving Jupiter and Uranus) will adversely affect the 2nd+8th houses in a way that (until resolved) will prevent the positive qualities of Sagittarius, Gemini, Moon and Venus from being used effectively/"appropriately".

Vera blue » Graham Good evening, could you please explain to me why you΄ve chosen this Harmonic in particular?

iris70 » iris70 We also need this:
(Thoughts are welcome!)

iris70 » iris70 Hi again!:)
Below is the second ingress of on 21st January 2024.

Thoughts welcome!

iris70 » iris70 Back to the chart of .
In the ingress chart we have DC. The 7th covers relationships with other countries and it is to the people.

Maybe there is a change in relationships between nations, maybe today´s liaisons between nations disappear for new ones to replace them. Corruption and what lay hidden may be exposed in such groups. The nations we consider now to be *allies* may become *enemy* countries, or the other way round. The change may involve groups of nations too. This appears rather uncomfortable to the people, may bring crisis and fear .
takes us into a process of *pruning* in order to regenerate into something new.
Nations with a strong signature in their charts is expected to be in for such changes. China has n , Ukraine has , my country, Greece has both the and , The USA has an , I do not know which chart to choose for many countries, though. There can be changes in confederation of nations/states too, if there is a strong . / emphasis in their natal chart.

iris70 » Graham ===============
There were a couple of days in 2022 when several houses (and many areas of uncultivated grassland) were ignited by the heat of the Sun.
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I think I may now need to have a lie down.
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That was inspired by an old film with Sandra Bullock; not my idea!

Graham » iris70 " I choose to have sex with an X celebrity in virtual reality, while having sex with my partner?! Quite shocking, isn´t it? How this may influence our relationships. Alright, maybe I took this too far!"
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I think I may now need to have a lie down.

Graham » iris70 "Are under water cities a possible future habitat for us? I wonder!"
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Interesting idea ... Perhaps 2025-2038 Neptune in Aries?

In the UK, the increasing summer temperatures are now a real threat to our homes ... There were a couple of days in 2022 when several houses (and many areas of uncultivated grassland) were ignited by the heat of the Sun.

iris70 » Graham Yes, Graham, climate change, a huge topic with such instability t in resources .
Most countries invest on renewable resources, but the demand for more energy increases too, as we become more and more energy-greedy! (A new word, I have just made up, if I am allowed)
Energy-saving appliances and machines too!

Climate change! We are in winter, half way through it and in my country the winter is so mild we hardly need a coat to wear when we go out! How will this affect harvest? How much we deplete water resources? Are under water cities a possible future habitat for us? I wonder!

iris70 » iris70 as it has already been stated may involve technological advancements, which can be used on many fields, such as medicine and may change the methods of treatments of various diseases, as well as in diagnosis of those diseases.
is not only ruled by rebellious and foturistic . Traditionally, rules . During the years of stay in and now in we have experienced much authoritarian practices, employing technology to control people, for example in order to protect our health safety- eg lockdowns, masks, vaccination- This control may continue while is in .
-Technology is used to control/spy on our bank accounts, what payments we do, who to, in an effort to minimize tax evasion, although people who wish to do so find alternative routs.
-Digitigation of currencies, paying/buying by credit cards, crypto money currencies are supposed to influence all transactions and we are already experiencing this.
-In some countries, digital ID cards are employed, my country included to prevent identity thefth. In all probability this trend will become more widely used.
-Another idea is about virtual reality being used to connect people around the globe. Virtual reality is already used for entertainment purposes and I wonder what direction this will follow and how this will affect human relationships. Think of a room full of family members each before a different screen having different experiences! Will even sexual intercourse be part of such virtual reality in the future? I choose to have sex with an X celebrity in virtual reality, while having sex with my partner?! Quite shocking, isn´t it? How this may influence our relationships. Alright, maybe I took this too far!

Graham » iris70 "This next time round tr Pluto in Aquarius will march in time to Neptune in Aries (2025 to 2038) and initially to Uranus in Gemini (2025 to 2033) – so early on there’ll be a Uranus trine Pluto sextile Neptune after the mid 2020s – innovative and creative. Of the earlier historical happenings which might repeat, we can expect more advances in science and exploration (outer space/bottom of the sea/under Arctic ice?). For the rest – the US and France will have come full circle back to their first Pluto Return or the immediate aftermath, so significant shifts/adjustments, epochal events in both countries. Sometimes empires that rise on one Pluto cycle, fall on the next. ... https://star4cast.com/pluto-in-aqua… "
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In the UK ... innovation and creativity will be the key to surviving climate change - a combination of Neptune imagination/intuition, Uranus original thinking, Pluto determination and the "we are all in this together" spirit of Aquarius.

iris70 » Graham ==============
David Hamblin´s "Harmonic Astrology In Practice" provides a working definition for the 17th Harmonic Aspect/Chart of ... "rebelliousness, subversiveness, campaigning for change" ... And this fits very well with your interpretation for Venus, Jupiter and Neptune in the chart of Pluto´s ingress to Aquarius.
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I really hope so, Graham! I have n in 10th

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Moreover, what you are teaching us on this thread has prompted me to make comments on two other threads that I would not otherwise have done.
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Thank you for this! I am not teaching anything, dear, just thinking, trying to connect dots. I am nothing better than you! I do not know anything more!
But I am glad that we exchange ideas here and we inspire each other!

Graham » iris70 "I have not finished what I had to say about yet! I just stopped to catch my breath, as I was busy doing other things. The length of this thread also depends on the interest it gets.

I would like to hear others´ predictions, for example. Perhaps it would help, if I went deeper into what stands for and what .
Maybe"
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You have my heartfelt sympathy on this one, as I have myself experienced the feeling of "is anybody of this forum actually interested in my thread topic". ... However, I am currently working through the articles you have pointed me at - and my guess is that other members here will be doing the same. ... Moreover, what you are teaching us on this thread has prompted me to make comments on two other threads that I would not otherwise have done.

Graham » iris70 "I do not know if my interpretation concerning that in 17th Harmonic can be related to all that, as I am not an expert on Harmonics."
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It is the meaning of each harmonic aspect that might add something to Mundane Astrology predictions, iris.

David Hamblin´s "Harmonic Astrology In Practice" provides a working definition for the 17th Harmonic Aspect/Chart of ... "rebelliousness, subversiveness, campaigning for change" ... And this fits very well with your interpretation for Venus, Jupiter and Neptune in the chart of Pluto´s ingress to Aquarius.

iris70 » Petr9 Yes, that was a great article, I´m happy you liked it, Petr.

I have not finished what I had to say about yet! I just stopped to catch my breath, as I was busy doing other things. The length of this thread also depends on the interest it gets.

I would like to hear others´ predictions, for example. Perhaps it would help, if I went deeper into what stands for and what .
Maybe

iris70 » Graham Graham, :)
I was thinking of that combination in 17th Harmonic of ingress chart involving that you posted in the previous page.

in Mundane tries to make things more equal, it is related to *Socialism*, so it is about bringing *civil rights* to oppressed people. The to which stands for women´s issues and that stands for beliefs/ideals may represent an effort for issues concerning oppressed women´s rights to come to the fore, to raise awareness of their issues, for things to be made more *equal*.

I have already stated that may stand for a radical change in beliefs/ideas- is unaspected- and it may involve either issues concerning minorities, change in perspective in women´s issues as being in 1st will fight for that change. We all know how oppressed women are in parts of the world, in Islam and elsewhere. I do hope with all my heart that will help change that. Lots of women suffer what is unimaginable for the rest of us, because of beliefs established many hundred of years ago.

I have also said that maybe issues concerning sexual orientation will come to the fore and their rights, as has to do with what is not conventional and about taboos. I hope will raise our awareness and realize that we are all people with feelings, sensitivities and we all need to love, be loved and accepted for what we are. People with a different to the orthodox sexual orientation, for example, have not chosen to be this way, but it happens in 1 out of 10 births. We should change our perspective involving these and other matters as individuals first, so that our ideas are changed in collective. Human relationships suffer because of so much inequality, false/dated perspective being based on hatred. THankfully, is oriented towards humanitarian/progressive ideas that bring more equality. In most cases, this comes with people uprising and unfortunately, there can be much resistance, due to in ingress chart.

I do not know if my interpretation concerning that in 17th Harmonic can be related to all that, as I am not an expert on Harmonics.

Graham » Petr9 "Hardly anyone asks what was the positive result of the historical constellation and what might have been the potential."
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And I have yet to see any Mundane Astrologers asking ... "can non-traditional astrology techniques (such as harmonic aspects) enable us to predict anything which traditional astrology techniques do not?"

ASTRSEEK Admin, Petr9 » iris70 Pluto in Aquarius - the Transition
by Stefan Hofbauer

https://www.astro.com/astrology/…
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"When astrologers interpret constellations in mundane astrology, the first thing they do is to check the ephemerides when this constellation has occurred before. There is nothing wrong with that, because people have been doing that for at least 4000 years, as far as we know. However, most mundane astrologers seem to only ever look for wars, uprisings, revolutions, epidemics and natural disasters when it comes to events of the past. Hardly anyone asks what was the positive result of the historical constellation and what might have been the potential. The latter is actually the more interesting question, if we ask it as astrologers. Otherwise, we run the risk of always projecting only our own projections, wishes, fears and anxieties into the future."